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Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Jeff,
 
         Must be the Alphabet Route group trying a new tactic of control.
"Fireballs rule"??  Well, it narrows the search a bit.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> wrote:


From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:08 PM


 



Somebody please telephone Tony Thompson and tell him that his email has been hijacked by a WM fan.

Regards,

-Jeff

From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:42 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

I'm waiting to see if they do the Duryea and thereby the
Western Maryland car. Fireballs rule!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
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Re: Missing links

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars needed, but missing.
I assume, Armand, that you meant "create," not "submit" (unless you're in touch with a Higher Authority in the hobby than i know about). Here's what I'd say:

1. The GSC cast steel depressed center flat car, and maybe the 4- truck "flat" flat car.

2. The 46-foot GS gondola used in the West, either the very early D&RGW style or the later Enterprise cars of both D&RGW and WP (and others--Richard has a list). The former are practically signature cars of the Rio Grande (back in the era of this list, the railroad used to run ads helping you with pronunciation: "Say Rye-o Grand," evidently avoiding any hint that the line had Hispanic roots <g>).

3. I make it no. 3 only out of humility: the Harriman flat car with straight side sills, either the 40-foot or 50-foot version (if we had forties, we could kitbash the fifty-footers).

4. There is some kinda hopper car that people argue about all the time, about which I know little and can't use anyway, but from all the flames and smoke it must be needed by SOMEONE. <vbg>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Grain rush - thanks!

Wendye Ware
 

Thanks to everyone who contributed to answering my question about "When is the grain rush"? My understanding from the various answers is that the grain rush is a local, or at most regional, activity, in which grain is transported from the farmer to the grain elevator. Therefore, there is little chance of spotting a grain rush on a transcontinental mainline such as the Union Pacific across Wyoming. I assume this would be true of other transcons in rural, non-grain producing, areas such as the ATSF across Arizona or the NP across the Rockies. I infer also, that the grain rush is primarily found on branch lines: To the extent that the cars of grain are on the mainline, that is because the mainline is the best (or only) route available.

Thanks again.
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Aley, Jeff A wrote:
Somebody please telephone Tony Thompson and tell him that his email has been hijacked by a WM fan.
It would be hard to live any length of time in PIttsburgh, so close to WM country, and not be enchanted by that wonderful little railroad. 'Nuff said.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Missing links

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

The usual reason for Sunshine to drop a kit is that demand has dropped off
and they've run out of something, decals for example, that have a minimum
reorder quantity way beyond expected sales.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

Aley, Jeff A
 

Somebody please telephone Tony Thompson and tell him that his email has been hijacked by a WM fan.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:42 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car



I'm waiting to see if they do the Duryea and thereby the
Western Maryland car. Fireballs rule!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>


Re: Missing links

Armand Premo
 

Rich, initially I was thinking solely in terms of numbers of cars.Your question expands the parameters..Armand Premo

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Missing links



Armand,

By common do you mean owned by a large number of roads or existed in large quantities?. They are not necessarily one and the same.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 2:54 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Missing links

Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars needed,but
missing.There will likely be geographical differences,but let's see if there
are any common cars that have yet to see the light of day.Armand Premo

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Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

Brian Carlson
 

I've reviewed the Erie car for the ELHS diamond, it should appear in a future issue. I discussed all the model, prototype and what I planned to do to improve the model.
 
I had some help from Ed Hawkins with respect to the original car drawings from the ACF files.
 Brian Carlson

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote:


From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 4:42 PM


 



I'm waiting to see if they do the Duryea and thereby the
Western Maryland car. Fireballs rule!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history
















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Re: Missing links

SUVCWORR@...
 

Armand,

By common do you mean owned by a large number of roads or existed in large quantities?. They are not necessarily one and the same.

Rich Orr

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From: Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 2:54 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Missing links










Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars needed,but
missing.There will likely be geographical differences,but let's see if there
are any common cars that have yet to see the light of day.Armand Premo



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Re: Missing links

Bruce Smith
 

On Oct 21, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Armand Premo wrote:

Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars needed,but
missing.There will likely be geographical differences,but let's see if there
are any common cars that have yet to see the light of day.Armand Premo

PRR K8 stock car ;^)

Another lister and I vociferously vouched for the PRR K7A stock car a number of years ago, only to be told by several esteemed members of this list that the potential of a K7A in plastic was, um, unlikely at best (to politely paraphrase). Since I'm tickled pink with my gaggle of BLI K7As, I'm hoping for a similar reaction to this suggestion <VBG>!

Seriously though, a K8 in resin would almost certainly sell well, and if no-one else gets to it, I might just get those masters built myself (the drawings arrived a few weeks ago).

Plastic:
GATC tank car
UTL tank car
alt std offset 50T hopper
1922, 1927 FGE wood reefers (not the post WWII rebuilt from IM)
NYC "USRA" steel box (promised from Sun Models, no sign of actual models)
PRR H21A hoppers (correctly done, with sep grabs)
PRR X31 series box cars (correctly done, 21 century details)

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Missing links

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Armand Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars needed,but
missing.There will likely be geographical differences,but let's see if there
are any common cars that have yet to see the light of day.Armand Premo
The nice thing about lists like this is that "common" cars are harder to add, since we have many prototypes now represented in model form. However, I would submit the following list for consideration:

1) Extended height (9'3" IH or thereabouts) boxcars based on the 1923 ARA design, such as the NYC cars, Reading XMu (or is XMg?) and the PRR X28 and X28a, which we used to have. Anyone know why Sunshine discontinued this kit?

2) The AAR alternate standard twin hopper.

3) The ARA 1929 quad hopper.

4) More GS gondolas would be nice for those of us modeling Western railroads.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I'm waiting to see if they do the Duryea and thereby the Western Maryland car. Fireballs rule!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

Steve SANDIFER
 

I would like to see a better photo of the ends. They don't look so great to me. I made an Erie Express Box a number of years ago and had to scratchbuild these ends, and I think mine look much close to the original.

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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Don Burn" <burn@...> wrote:
>
>
>no photos of these unfortunately.

eBay to the rescue!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-20000324-HO-1932-ARA-Boxcar-ERIE-76944-1932_W0QQitemZ390108546982QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains

or

http://tinyurl.com/yzs7q62

-John Hile


Missing links

Armand Premo
 

Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars needed,but missing.There will likely be geographical differences,but let's see if there are any common cars that have yet to see the light of day.Armand Premo


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Don Burn" <burn@...> wrote:


no photos of these unfortunately.





eBay to the rescue!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-20000324-HO-1932-ARA-Boxcar-ERIE-76944-1932_W0QQitemZ390108546982QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains

or

http://tinyurl.com/yzs7q62


-John Hile


Re: Decal artwork (Was: Athearn Blue Box kit usefulness)

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Tony,

I will gladly accept the "old f__ts" title with honor. Sure beats the
alternative.

BTW... After using ink and ruling pens I graduated up the technology
scale to dry transfer lettering for decal masters.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Jerry Glow wrote:
Illustrator and CorelDraw are closer to CAD than Photoshop as the
first three are all vector and the latter bitmapped.
Absolutely right, Jerry, but not necessarily relevant. What
counts is whether the final decals are sharp. Some of the old f__ts on
this list can probably remember when it was done oversize with India
ink. And I'm pretty sure that ain't a vector application.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



Re: Decal artwork (Was: Athearn Blue Box kit usefulness)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Glow wrote:
Illustrator and CorelDraw are closer to CAD than Photoshop as the first three are all vector and the latter bitmapped.
Absolutely right, Jerry, but not necessarily relevant. What counts is whether the final decals are sharp. Some of the old f__ts on this list can probably remember when it was done oversize with India ink. And I'm pretty sure that ain't a vector application.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Decal artwork (Was: Athearn Blue Box kit usefulness)

jerryglow2
 

Illustrator and CorelDraw are closer to CAD than Photoshop as the first three are all vector and the latter bitmapped.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:
I think it depends on what you have to start with and what you want to end
up with. Forty years ago, I hand drafted artwork to make dry transfers for
all of the YV equipment I might build (although my information sources were
much less then) and have since scanned that artwork and manipulated it in
Photoshop to provide artwork for decals. I have also developed HO scale
decals from photo scans. OTOH, I have also used CAD to make full-size YV
stencils (1:1) for several still-existing pieces of YV equipment using
photos as the basis. These CAD drawings were also used to produce HO (and O
scale) decals. I think it all depends on what you have to work with and your
skill with the available programs. In my case, I know CAD and Photoshop much
better than Illustrator...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

pennsylvania1954
 

Prototype photos:
Builder's photo of the side:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie76949b.jpg

Builder's photo of the Buckeye end:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie76949adb.jpg

In service in 1954. The car on the left, ERIE 76686:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie76949adb.jpg

Here is a photo of an Intermountain model with a Viking roof:

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/41071.htm

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Athearn Blue Box kit usefulness

thomas christensen
 

Try Westerfield #3865 DSS&A USRA box car.
Tom Christensen


 





What I'd love to build is the "Route Superior Gateway for Superior Service"
version of the car but I've never been able to find decals.

Tim O'Connor



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