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Re: Re Ventilated Boxcars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bill McCoywrote:
A friend of mine was a clerk for the RF&P in the tower at Potomac Yard. Droves of empty vent boxes came back south returing to the SAL and ACL at Richmond and were humped into the classification bowl. Jim noticed huge black clouds would come up when additional cars were humped into tracks with vent empties already in them.This fits exactly with what retired PFE people told me in interviews for the PFE book: the receivers of produce typically left all the spoiled or unsold produce right in the car, and even threw in the trash lying around on the platform, such as rotten fruit of a kind not even in the original cargo, along with dunnage, broken boxes, paper, etc. Obviously it was efficient trash service for them, as a switch crew would come soon and take it all away! Cleaning returning empties was therefore an important job with reefers. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re Ventilated Boxcars
A friend of mine was a clerk for the RF&P in the tower at Potomac Yard. Droves of empty vent boxes came back south returing to the SAL and ACL at Richmond and were humped into the classification bowl. Jim noticed huge black clouds would come up when additional cars were humped into tracks with vent empties already in them.
A clerk was sent to investigate and discovered they were clouds of fruit flies feasting on the broken and bad mellons left in the cars. They would fly up with each hard coupling. I hope no one at BLI reads this since this may be their next action toy. Bill McCoy Jax, FL. at
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Re: Skid and Cover Cars
water.kresse@...
Remind me next week after Naperville.
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From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:58:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars Thanks, Al! I have never seen a pic (or in person) one of those C&O cars, only the later Evans cars. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of water.kresse@comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:07 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars The C&O in the mid-50s converted regular C&O and PM 70-ton gondola cars into these. They reference the PRR skid system longitudinal shocks absorber springs in their experiments. They even made one with canvass covers. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu <mailto:ggg9y%40virginia.edu> > To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:37:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote: and such. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Skid and Cover Cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Al! I have never seen a pic (or in person) one of those C&O cars,
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only the later Evans cars. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of water.kresse@comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:07 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars The C&O in the mid-50s converted regular C&O and PM 70-ton gondola cars into these. They reference the PRR skid system longitudinal shocks absorber springs in their experiments. They even made one with canvass covers. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu <mailto:ggg9y%40virginia.edu> > To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:37:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote: and such.
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New ART reefer available
asychis@...
Hi y'all,
The Amarillo Railroad Museum and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society are pleased to announce that the third run of ART ice reefers produced for us by InterMountain will be arriving in the next week. These are the 32000 series ART cars with the lap side horizontal rivet strip. We've done the 24000 series in the ART herald only scheme, and the 32000 series with Preco fans in the classic ART three herald scheme. These runs sold out quickly. The 33000 series represents original 24000 cars with Equipco air circulating fans. These are also in the classic three herald scheme that was used from 1950 to around 1958 when the colored heralds were replaced by black outline heralds (probably our next run). However, the scheme used on these cars lasted well into the 1960s era (albeit on somewhat weathered cars). We will have six numbers available on assembled cars, and kits with no numbers but a decal set included to number the cars as you prefer. Note, that the kits can also represent the 32000 series with no modification except the number. The Preco and Equipco fans used by ART were not visible although some 32000 series cars with Preco fans had a circular stencil noting that the cars were so equipped, or even a circular metal plate in place of the stencil where cars such as PFE R40-25s had an actual fan pulley cover. For prices, and information on ordering, check out the Amarillo Railroad Museum website (_www.amarillorailmuseum.com_ (http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/) ). I expect the cars to be announced later this week on the website. This is an advanced notice,and we'll need time to sort and inventory the cars. MPHS and ARM members receive a 10% discount. Thanks, Jerry Michels Amarillo Railroad Museum
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Re: Missing Links-Resin
al_brown03
No ... the V-9 (SAL 28000-29249 and 89000-89899) and V-10 (SAL 79000-79999) ventilators were 36' double-sheathed wood cars. See Goolsby in Lines South, 1st/98, pp 22-25. Sunshine kit 21.23 models 40' steel express vents (SAL 700-754) converted from 1932 ARA box cars in class B-6. See Culotta's '32 ARA book, pp 194-205. The express vents weren't stencilled with a class of their own, and I don't know if they had one. Seaboard was less than manic about re-classifications.
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The V-9 and V-10 were different enough from other roads' vents that they would be bears to kit-bash. Resin kits would be most welcome! :-) Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Richard,http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/016Web.jpgSteve, that is a UTL Van Dyke tank (note the heavy bottom sheet with Want to hazard a guess if it's a 6, 8, or 10,000 gallon car? If it's a 6,000 gal, it would be an interesting conversion for the Blackstone Models frameless NG car that has supposedly been announced. From the look of the side bearings, it doesn't appear to be a 10,000 gal car; photos show those bolster / saddle castings to have differently shaped side bearing extensions. By the way, when we were both talking to Bill McKown about doing Van Dyke cars in brass, did you ever get a set (2) of my photos of the one used as a storage tank at an oil jobber? I now can't seem to locate the originals, and would sure like to have scans, if you have the images. Dennis
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Re: Missing Links-Resin
Kenneth Montero
Bill,
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The unofficial Sunshine Models list provided by Jim Hayes shows that kit no. 21.23, SAL Express Ventilator A.R.A 1932 boxcar is still available. Would this kit be either the V-9 or the V-10 that you were seeking? Other resin kits of ventilator boxcars not mentioned in the current thread include the following from Westerfield (I was unable to access that website to determine current availability): #6301, FEC as delivered 1920, fruit service #6302, FEC as modernized, sugar service #70001, ACL as delivered 1921 (Atlantic Coast Dispatch logo) #7002, ACL as built, 1929 lettering (Atlantic Coast Dispatch logo) #7004, ACL modernized, 1954 lettering (Atlantic Coast Line logo) # 7005, ACL rebuilt circa 1936 (Atlantic Coast Dispatch logo) # 7006, ACL modernized1947 lettering (bottom door rollers)(Atlantic Coast Dispatch logo) Ken Montero
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From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:19:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [STMFC] Missing Links-Resin The talk of Ventilated cars makes me pine for the SAL vents in resin, hopefully both the V-9 and V-10, but even one would be nice. Bill Welch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
The majority of 3-dome tank car photos I have show two
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rivet seams between each pair of domes where the interior bulkheads are attached -- Yet a couple of them show (like this car) only a single rivet seam. Wouldn't each of the compartments require a separate bulkhead, instead of sharing a single bulkhead? Is it because this car is a rebuild? Tim O'Connor
At 10/26/2009 10:10 PM Monday, you wrote:
I forgot you can't include attachments.<steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> 10/26/09 8:05 PM >>>
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Re: Missing links
Armand
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Why not wish for CORRECTED kits of popular freight cars? Like fix the execrable roofs on the Intermountain 1940 AAR box cars? Or fix the doors on the Intermountain postwar 10'0" 12 panel box cars? Or fix the floors on both the Red Caboose (original) and Intermountain (copy) 10'0" IH box cars? (The former prewar, the latter postwar.) Or fix the mediocre Atlas 11k LPG tank car? (Or maybe produce one of the alternate size tank cars of this same type & era?) Or corrected ends for the Intermountain postwar 10'0" IH box car and R-40-25 reefer? How about bulkhead or TOFC conversion kits for the P2K AAR 53'6" flat car? Or the same for the Red Caboose SP F-70-7 flat car? (These are good mini-kit ideas.) Any more kits with obvious problems that might be much more appealing if they got fixed? Tim O'Connor
At 10/26/2009 09:02 PM Monday, you wrote:
Richard,My original post initiating this thread indicated a regional bias.I expected that,but even within regions there seems to be little or no consensus on the most needed .Reefers and tank cars on the one hand stock cars and hoppers on the other.However there seems to be a greater degree of interest with rebuilt single sheathed cars .The variety is staggering.Even flat kits would be difficult to produce and market by other than resin sources.Cross kitting,if I can use that term, would offer one solution.I am doubtful that any company would undertake such a project .Des Plaines' Viking roof has provided options otherwise not available.A variety of sides,ends and under frames would find a market.Fearing to offend some of our brethren,"Ready -to-Run" will not provide the variety that we seek.Armand Premo
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Re: Missing links
I keep seeing many calls for the AAR alt std offset hoppers.
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We've been clamoring for those even longer than we've been howling for at one version of the G31! :-) Tim O'
At 10/26/2009 04:57 PM Monday, you wrote:
What did I get myself into? This thread has offered many suggestions,but
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Re: Missing Links
Tony
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An even better suggestion for Intermountain would be to toss their awful Type 27 underframe and start over! :-) But IRC is loathe to fix a model once it's in production. Tim O'Connor
Someone offer photo-etched dome platforms for the ACF Type 27 8KThis is an outstanding suggestion and there have been rumors in
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Re: Missing Links
Bill Welch wrote
Sounds like a great idea for a mini-kit Bill! (Several,Someone offer photo-etched dome platforms for the ACF Type 27 8K and if the platforms come in different styles.) How about a mini-kit to build a replace underframe (with open grid walks) for the ATLAS 11k hi pressure tank car? Tim O'Connor
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 26, 2009, at 6:05 PM, <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I forgot you can't include attachments.Steve, that is a UTL Van Dyke tank (note the heavy bottom sheet with the stub center sills and draft gear pockets still attached) that had been converted to a three compartment car, as attested by the smaller end domes compared to the center dome. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
I forgot you can't include attachments.<steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> 10/26/09 8:05 PM >>> What is this http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/016Web.jpg Steve, Given the reinforced bottom sheet that sticks out beyond the end, and the hardware for the draft gear and truck bolsters, that looks like a UTL "Van Dyke" (Type V). It was clearly a single dome car that has been modified by the addition of 2 more domes. Very cool! Regards Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL
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Central of Georgia Ventilated Cars are available!
Bill Welch
Paul Bob, Rich:
Thanks guys, you were totally correct. I called Allen Tuten and he is bringing a supply of both roof types. This announcment was posted while I was in the midst of moving. Allen is aware that the kits are not on the CGHS website and sounded quit frustrated by several issues regarding the site. Bill Welch
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Re: Missing links
Greg Martin
Yea, Mike you're right not the middle of nowhere but you can see it from
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there...<grin> and a Big Yellow Train train traversing it... nowhere that is... Greg Martin
In a message dated 10/26/2009 7:28:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
brockm@brevard.net writes: In the "middle of nowhere"? Wyoming? I beg your pardon, sir. If you are referring to certain tracks in Southeastern Wyoming, you are referring to railroad Mecca....hardly in the "middle of nowhere." Mike Brock
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Rod Miller
I'll look forward to that issue even more than usual!
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Thank you Richard. Rod Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On Oct 26, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:Rod Miller wrote:Correct. My clinic on wine tank cars has more than fifty photos of such cars. In fact, the opening photo is the one Rod cites of the SP yard at Fresno, where I count about forty wine tank cars in that one view. After I present the clinic at Naperville and then again at Cocoa Beach, all of the photos and an expanded version of the text in the handout will go to Ed and Pat at RPC for a future edition of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia.Directly behind the loco are at least two (the center two) wine tankThere were single-dome wine cars as well as multiple-dome cars.
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Re: Help needed - ATSF stock car paint scheme
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:33 AM, peteraue wrote:
I am currently building a bunch of ATSF stock cars fromI can validate what has been said by Andy and others who responded on this subject. I have in the neighborhood of 300 photos of Santa Fe stock cars dating from the teens through the 1960s, and of those there are exactly three b/w photos from the 1940s/'50s where I'm pretty sure the roofs were black. The color shots I have all date from the '60s, and they show no black roofs. My best guess is that one or two shops may have applied black roof paint when repainting cars in the 1940s, but that it was certainly far from common practice. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 26, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Rod Miller wrote:Correct. My clinic on wine tank cars has more than fifty photos ofDirectly behind the loco are at least two (the center two) wine tankThere were single-dome wine cars as well as multiple-dome such cars. In fact, the opening photo is the one Rod cites of the SP yard at Fresno, where I count about forty wine tank cars in that one view. After I present the clinic at Naperville and then again at Cocoa Beach, all of the photos and an expanded version of the text in the handout will go to Ed and Pat at RPC for a future edition of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia. Richard Hendrickson
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