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CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service
Lee Gautreaux
I have a friend who is building one of the Smokey Mountain CofG ventilated box cars and would like to build it for watermelon service. He'd like to know if anyone has experience modeling the watermelons and what they used. It looks like a great prototype. Would watermelon cars have traveled fairly far away from home road, or were they for local transport of watermelons? Once he's done, it would be nice to run the car on a friend's layout set on the C&O (Hinton, WV to Clifton Forge, VA) in the early 1950's. Would a CofG car carrying watermelons have ventured that far?
Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/
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Re: old decals, dry transfers and Naperville
Ray Breyer
Brian Carlson wrote: Sorry I can't join you, Brian. I've always wanted to Brian lives near Niagra Falls. Make that a pickle BARREL... Ray Breyer
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Re: old decals, dry transfers and Naperville
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Brian Carlson wrote:
The above is contingent on my truck getting fixed tomorrow or Tuesday morning. If that doesn't happen, I will be in a pickle.Sorry I can't join you, Brian. I've always wanted to do a trip in a pickle. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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old decals, dry transfers and Naperville
I am starting to pack for Naperville. this year I am bring the NKPHTS
Company Store to the train show on Saturday and will probably sell out of my room also. In addition to the NKPHTS stuff I am bringing a box of my extra stuff to sell, including in this stuff is a bunch of older Champ, Walthers, herald King, CDS, and Microscale decals or dry transfers. I mention the decals and dry transfers here since this group may be the only ones interested in them. I do have some for later 60's and 70's cars also, mostly EL and Eastern roads from when I modeled the 70's. Stop by and take a look. The above is contingent on my truck getting fixed tomorrow or Tuesday morning. If that doesn't happen, I will be in a pickle. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!
Allen Rueter
Tim,
I misunderstood that the 1st G31s where built, by PRR shops, once I found this table, it made things more clear. ( http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31 ) G31a where P-S? -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 5:49:11 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! ?? It's right there on the web site. http://tangentscale models.com/ prototypeimages/ PRR%20371950. jpg I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too.
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Re: C&O 4-wheel bobbing jimmies
water.kresse@...
Correction: Buck Jimmie 4-wheel 5-ton (26 bushel) circa 1873 and newer10-ton coal cars.
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Sorry, Al Kresse
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From: "al.kresse" <water.kresse@comcast.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:41:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [STMFC] C&O 4-wheel bobbing jimmies Does anyone have pictures or drawings or articles on the C&Os 4-wheel 5-ton and 10-ton 4-wheel coal cars used in the 1870s and 1880s? Al Kresse
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Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service
Charles Hladik
Lee,
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I have used painted Navy beans as watermelons in the past. From what I've heard, the floor of a watermelon car was covered with a heavy layer of straw then the melons were loaded into the car, supposedly with out further straw. A CofG car very well could have come into Clifton Forge. Chuck Hladik Rutland Railroad, Virginia Division
In a message dated 10/25/2009 10:25:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
buygone@earthlink.net writes: Lee: In one of the commercially available videos or DVD's there is a shot of one with the ventilator door in place running eight cars behind a Cab-Forward. Paul C. Koehler _____ From: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of jjgotrox Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:54 PM To: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [STMFC] CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service I have a friend who is building one of the Smokey Mountain CofG ventilated box cars and would like to build it for watermelon service. He'd like to know if anyone has experience modeling the watermelons and what they used. It looks like a great prototype. Would watermelon cars have traveled fairly far away from home road, or were they for local transport of watermelons? Once he's done, it would be nice to run the car on a friend's layout set on the C&O (Hinton, WV to Clifton Forge, VA) in the early 1950's. Would a CofG car carrying watermelons have ventured that far? Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat _http://www.railgoat_ (http://www.railgoat/) <_http://www.railgoathttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/) > .railfan.net/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!
Tim: I was confused when I answered the same question yesterday.
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:49 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! ?? It's right there on the web site. http://tangentscalemodels.com/prototypeimages/PRR%20371950.jpg
I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!
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I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> wrote:
Me, too. Gene Green
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C&O 4-wheel bobbing jimmies
al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
Does anyone have pictures or drawings or articles on the C&Os 4-wheel 5-ton and 10-ton 4-wheel coal cars used in the 1870s and 1880s?
Al Kresse
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Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
LOUIS WHITELEY wrote:
Did Atlantic Refining also use UTLX cars? From what little history I could find, Atlantic was a "hidden" subsidiary of Standard at the beginning of the 20th century.Maybe. There were a number of apparently independent oil companies in that era which actually had hidden ownership, partial or complete, by Standard. But in those days, to use UTLX tank cars would have "blown their cover" immediately, as in that time no one else used UTL equipment. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Oil industry info sought
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Doug Harding wrote (as part of nice summary on oil dealer facilities):
Standard Oil was forced to break up via anti-trust laws, and sold their fleet of tank cars to UTL, which were plain black tank cars with minimal lettering.Not really. Union Tank Line existed from the early 1880s, originally as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Standard Oil. UTL always owned the cars after about 1880. At the time of the break-up in 1911, the various division of Standard (Standard of Indiana, Standard of New Jersey, etc.) were made into separate companies, as was UTL. But the various divisions had nowhere to turn but UTL for the quantity of cars they needed, and UTL had no other prospective customer with nearly the volume of the Standard companies. Naturally UTL continued to supply the "Baby Standards" with tank cars, and did so for decades afterward. As others have pointed out, there is an excellent book about all this, "Rockefeller's Secret Weapon," which is readily available used, at reasonable prices, on the web. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Also from WrightTRAK
seaboard_1966
Guys, there has been a lot of talk about the new WrightTRAK B&O M53 boxcar. We are going to have 2 other new cars with us as well. There will be a SAL, NS and MD&S gon as well as pre production samples of the SP C40-1 and C40-3 caboose which will be available for preorder at the show. I also have photos of those on hand and will be more than happy to share them with those who are interested.
Denis Blake WrightTRAK Railroad Models
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Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)
steve l <stevelucas3@...>
This was not confined to the US. Lindsay, Ontario, a town of about 7,000 in 1956, had eight bulk oil dealers. Imperial (Esso's Canadian licencee), Supertest, and White Rose (Canadian Oil Co.) all shared a single spur track and a town block for their facilities. Next block on the same spur, a coal dealer was located.
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!
rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
This is a bit off topic.
David, Guys keep asking me when they'll be able to buy the "Real" CGW hopper. Talk to you later in the week, Clark Propst
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!
bnsd45
Allen,
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There is a link page here that takes you to two different pages: one is the model page with high res photos of the models. The other is the prototype page that shows high res photos of the prototypes, as photographed at ACF when new. http://tangentscalemodels.com/aboutourproducts.aspx David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> wrote:
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Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: Anthony Thompson The link has a stray period on the endWell, this one returns "page not found" unless you delete the terminal parenthesis. ----- Original Message ----- That's what I got with the original, the revised one is fine. Browser??? KL
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Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)
LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
Did Atlantic Refining also use UTLX cars? From what little history I could find, Atlantic was a "hidden" subsidiary of Standard at the beginning of the 20th century.
Lou Whiteley Lawrenceville, NJ ________________________________ From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:35:52 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc) Gordon (not signing his full name) wrote: I'm interested in STANDARD OIL and the way they transported oil toEven after Standard Oil was broken up, UTL continued to supply tank cars under lease to all the "Baby Standards" around the country. The fact that there were multiple tanks at the facilty would suggestYes. They typically handled gasoline, kerosene, heating oil, and other petroleum products probably not shipped in tank cars (engine oil, greases, etc.). After WW II, they also handled a lot of diesel fuel, and some handled propane. Multi-compartment cars could help with low-volume products like lubricating oil, but the true bulk liquids like gasoline and heating oil were normally full carloads. I don't know if it's still available but the first volume in the Kalmbach series on "Industries Along the Tracks" had a nice article on petroleum dealers. If not for sale new, I'd bet you could find it used on the web. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)
Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Gordon, a quick look at Sanborn Maps for the towns that interest you, will show the "oil jobbers" were often concentrated in one
area, strung along one track. Typically there were will be a office/storage house about 24'x24' or 24'x30', Standard Oil in the Mid-West liked stucco and hip roofs, with a concrete platform for loading packaged goods onto trucks. This platform would have two levels, with steps and a ramp for a hand truck, between the levels. There was a pump house next to the tracks, which could be as small as 6x6, which connected the unloading pipes at track side to the truck loading stand. The truck loading stand would have a filler pipe for each bulk product handled: ie gasoline, diesel, distillate, kerosene, fuel oil, usually an hope structure with just a roof. Then you would have the storage tanks, vertical or horizontal, typically 3-5 tanks. Again a tank for each bulk product handled. All pipes, valve handles, etc (sometimes even the tanks) were color coded. But the colors varied among the companies. Today we like to think of red as gasoline, green as diesel, white as kerosene, etc. But this code was no universal. Standard Oil was forced to break up via anti-trust laws, and sold their fleet of tank cars to UTL, which were plain black tank cars with minimal lettering. In HO: Grandt Line has a very nice oil jobber kit based upon a Conoco oil jobber in Colorado with elements from California, ie their oil storage building. Walthers also sells their "Interstate Fuel" kit which is a more generic oil jobber, with the Quonset hut storage building. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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