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Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?

Dean Payne
 

I have a couple of P2K tank cars (8,000 gallons) to build, and was thinking they might be a good way to show off the Tahoe arch bar trucks, with semi-scale wheels. These are in the UTLX 77,000-series, but they say "built 5-20", so I don't know whether they were built with arch bars or had cast sideframe trucks. If not, would any other commonly available tank cars have been delivered with arch bars? I model prior to the 1940 arch bar ban, of course.

Dean Payne


Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

Don Worthy
 

I found a photo of a stack of Mellon's and downloaded it. Then re sized so the Mellon's were almost 12" in diameter. Cut them out and glued to sides of door way. I've got a photo posted on the CofG modelers group.
I've sense found a photo that shows the "fence" (for lack of better term) across the doorway. It was then covered with burlap bags and hay or wheat straw was packed around them so the mellons would not move up against the doors, sides and each other and get all skinned up.
Don Worthy

--- On Sun, 10/25/09, Paul <buygone@earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Paul <buygone@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 10:25 PM


 



Lee:

In one of the commercially available videos or DVD's there is a shot of one
with the ventilator door in place running eight cars behind a Cab-Forward.

Paul C. Koehler

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
jjgotrox
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [STMFC] CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

I have a friend who is building one of the Smokey Mountain CofG ventilated
box cars and would like to build it for watermelon service. He'd like to
know if anyone has experience modeling the watermelons and what they used.
It looks like a great prototype. Would watermelon cars have traveled fairly
far away from home road, or were they for local transport of watermelons?
Once he's done, it would be nice to run the car on a friend's layout set on
the C&O (Hinton, WV to Clifton Forge, VA) in the early 1950's. Would a CofG
car carrying watermelons have ventured that far?

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat <http://www.railgoat .railfan. net/> .railfan.net/


Re: W&LE question

Dean Payne
 

Fred,
There's a photo of restored W&LE caboose 911 at nkphts.org:

http://www.nkphts.org/preservation/pictures/cabooses/wle0911jpg.html

This is in the yellow scheme with black lettering, but the red scheme is the same style, with white lettering. I kitbashed an MDC Old Time caboose to make one in the red scheme.

There is a photo of one of the W&LE Berkshires with the tender lettering showing on the home page of the "un-official" W&LE site:

http://www.wle.railfan.net/

Just to keep on topic, the Berks would haul steam-era freight cars, including the W&LE AAR alt-standard hoppers recently discussed, trailed by the cabooses of the type shown in the first link.

Unfortunately (for you), the W&LE was leased by the NKP on Dec. 1, 1949. I'm not sure how long the cabooses, etc, would have still been seen painted for the W&LE, but I wouldn't think they would be seen in the "early 50's". "Early 1950", I would guess so!

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Panhandle Division 1953" <prrinvt@...> wrote:

List,

Was billboard lettering a common scheme on W&LE caboose cars, and would it have been seen in the early 1950's ? Secondly, was this lettering ever applied to loco tenders? Thanks in advance.

Fred Freitas


Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Lee:



In one of the commercially available videos or DVD's there is a shot of one
with the ventilator door in place running eight cars behind a Cab-Forward.



Paul C. Koehler



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jjgotrox
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service





I have a friend who is building one of the Smokey Mountain CofG ventilated
box cars and would like to build it for watermelon service. He'd like to
know if anyone has experience modeling the watermelons and what they used.
It looks like a great prototype. Would watermelon cars have traveled fairly
far away from home road, or were they for local transport of watermelons?
Once he's done, it would be nice to run the car on a friend's layout set on
the C&O (Hinton, WV to Clifton Forge, VA) in the early 1950's. Would a CofG
car carrying watermelons have ventured that far?

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat <http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/>; .railfan.net/


CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

Lee Gautreaux
 

I have a friend who is building one of the Smokey Mountain CofG ventilated box cars and would like to build it for watermelon service. He'd like to know if anyone has experience modeling the watermelons and what they used. It looks like a great prototype. Would watermelon cars have traveled fairly far away from home road, or were they for local transport of watermelons? Once he's done, it would be nice to run the car on a friend's layout set on the C&O (Hinton, WV to Clifton Forge, VA) in the early 1950's. Would a CofG car carrying watermelons have ventured that far?

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: old decals, dry transfers and Naperville

Ray Breyer
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
The above is contingent on my truck getting fixed
tomorrow or Tuesday morning. If that doesn't happen,
I will be in a pickle.
Sorry I can't join you, Brian. I've always wanted to
do a trip in a pickle.
Tony Thompson         


Brian lives near Niagra Falls. Make that a pickle BARREL...

Ray Breyer


Re: old decals, dry transfers and Naperville

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
The above is contingent on my truck getting fixed tomorrow or Tuesday morning. If that doesn't happen, I will be in a pickle.
Sorry I can't join you, Brian. I've always wanted to do a trip in a pickle.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


old decals, dry transfers and Naperville

Brian Carlson
 

I am starting to pack for Naperville. this year I am bring the NKPHTS
Company Store to the train show on Saturday and will probably sell out of my
room also. In addition to the NKPHTS stuff I am bringing a box of my extra
stuff to sell, including in this stuff is a bunch of older Champ, Walthers,
herald King, CDS, and Microscale decals or dry transfers. I mention the
decals and dry transfers here since this group may be the only ones
interested in them. I do have some for later 60's and 70's cars also, mostly
EL and Eastern roads from when I modeled the 70's. Stop by and take a look.

The above is contingent on my truck getting fixed tomorrow or Tuesday
morning. If that doesn't happen, I will be in a pickle.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Allen Rueter
 

Tim,
I misunderstood that the 1st G31s where built, by PRR shops, once I found this table, it made things more clear.
( http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31 )

G31a where P-S?

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO


________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 5:49:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!



?? It's right there on the web site.

http://tangentscale models.com/ prototypeimages/ PRR%20371950. jpg

I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like.
Allen Rueter
Me, too.
Gene Green


Re: C&O 4-wheel bobbing jimmies

water.kresse@...
 

Correction: Buck Jimmie 4-wheel 5-ton (26 bushel) circa 1873 and newer10-ton coal cars.



Sorry,



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "al.kresse" <water.kresse@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:41:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] C&O 4-wheel bobbing jimmies

Does anyone have pictures or drawings or articles on the C&Os 4-wheel 5-ton and 10-ton 4-wheel coal cars used in the 1870s and 1880s?

Al Kresse


Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

Charles Hladik
 

Lee,
I have used painted Navy beans as watermelons in the past. From what
I've heard, the floor of a watermelon car was covered with a heavy layer of
straw then the melons were loaded into the car, supposedly with out further
straw.
A CofG car very well could have come into Clifton Forge.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad,
Virginia Division

In a message dated 10/25/2009 10:25:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
buygone@earthlink.net writes:




Lee:

In one of the commercially available videos or DVD's there is a shot of one
with the ventilator door in place running eight cars behind a Cab-Forward.

Paul C. Koehler

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From: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of
jjgotrox
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:54 PM
To: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [STMFC] CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

I have a friend who is building one of the Smokey Mountain CofG ventilated
box cars and would like to build it for watermelon service. He'd like to
know if anyone has experience modeling the watermelons and what they used.
It looks like a great prototype. Would watermelon cars have traveled fairly
far away from home road, or were they for local transport of watermelons?
Once he's done, it would be nice to run the car on a friend's layout set on
the C&O (Hinton, WV to Clifton Forge, VA) in the early 1950's. Would a CofG
car carrying watermelons have ventured that far?

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
_http://www.railgoat_ (http://www.railgoat/)
<_http://www.railgoathttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/) > .railfan.net/

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Brian Carlson
 

Tim: I was confused when I answered the same question yesterday.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:49 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded
drop-end Gondola available now!!






?? It's right there on the web site.

http://tangentscalemodels.com/prototypeimages/PRR%20371950.jpg

I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like.
Allen Rueter
Me, too.


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Tim O'Connor
 

I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like.
Allen Rueter

Me, too.
Gene Green


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> wrote:

I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like.

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO
Me, too.
Gene Green


C&O 4-wheel bobbing jimmies

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Does anyone have pictures or drawings or articles on the C&Os 4-wheel 5-ton and 10-ton 4-wheel coal cars used in the 1870s and 1880s?

Al Kresse


Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

LOUIS WHITELEY wrote:
Did Atlantic Refining also use UTLX cars? From what little history I could find, Atlantic was a "hidden" subsidiary of Standard at the beginning of the 20th century.
Maybe. There were a number of apparently independent oil companies in that era which actually had hidden ownership, partial or complete, by Standard. But in those days, to use UTLX tank cars would have "blown their cover" immediately, as in that time no one else used UTL equipment.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Oil industry info sought

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Doug Harding wrote (as part of nice summary on oil dealer facilities):
Standard Oil was forced to break up via anti-trust laws, and sold their fleet of tank cars to UTL, which were plain black tank cars with minimal lettering.
Not really. Union Tank Line existed from the early 1880s, originally as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Standard Oil. UTL always owned the cars after about 1880. At the time of the break-up in 1911, the various division of Standard (Standard of Indiana, Standard of New Jersey, etc.) were made into separate companies, as was UTL. But the various divisions had nowhere to turn but UTL for the quantity of cars they needed, and UTL had no other prospective customer with nearly the volume of the Standard companies. Naturally UTL continued to supply the "Baby Standards" with tank cars, and did so for decades afterward.
As others have pointed out, there is an excellent book about all this, "Rockefeller's Secret Weapon," which is readily available used, at reasonable prices, on the web.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Also from WrightTRAK

seaboard_1966
 

Guys, there has been a lot of talk about the new WrightTRAK B&O M53 boxcar. We are going to have 2 other new cars with us as well. There will be a SAL, NS and MD&S gon as well as pre production samples of the SP C40-1 and C40-3 caboose which will be available for preorder at the show. I also have photos of those on hand and will be more than happy to share them with those who are interested.

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models


Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

This was not confined to the US. Lindsay, Ontario, a town of about 7,000 in 1956, had eight bulk oil dealers. Imperial (Esso's Canadian licencee), Supertest, and White Rose (Canadian Oil Co.) all shared a single spur track and a town block for their facilities. Next block on the same spur, a coal dealer was located.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

You are talking about bulk oil dealers. STMFC era town of 2000 or more are not complete with them - several of them, often next to each other on the same spur. Many are still there next to tracks or abandoned right-of-way even though no longer rail served. You can Google search for pictures and find a few. There are a number on the Santa Fe website at http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Howard/index.htm.
Eureka had 5 bulk oil dealers. Emporia had 6.

______________
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mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: milepost1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)


Maybe I'm using the wrong keywords but I haven't had a great deal of work doing research related to small town oil storage depots in the 1930's.

In regards to this group I'm looking for some info that members might be able to point me toward.

I'm interested in STANDARD OIL and the way they transported oil to their small town distributors. I know that there was a siding SPECIFICALLY for a facility which meant that the railroad brought it in. So some type of tank car was used.

I've yet to find good photos and or drawings of Standard Oil cars circa 1930-40. Does this mean that Standard Oil didn't have their own fleet? If that is the case were they using a carrier? I don't know.

The fact that there were multiple tanks at the facilty would suggest that there were possibly multiple products. Did they ship different products in the same tank car? (I don't know but wonder if that is why some tanks had multiple domes. (You now see a glimpse of my ignorance.)

Are there good "books" on this subject?
Are there drawings? (I've looked at some commercial cars but they seem to lack the same details that I've seen in 1930 era tank cars.

I'm just trying to get the details right.

Thanks.

Gordon





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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

This is a bit off topic.
David, Guys keep asking me when they'll be able to buy the "Real" CGW hopper.
Talk to you later in the week,
Clark Propst

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