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Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 08:46 PM, spsalso wrote:
And I ran my calcs again (twice), and got the same dimension (6 3/4'). In this case: (20 x 3.3) / 9.5 = 6.9Ed, Don't let it get you down. I replicated your methodology and came up with a truck wheelbase slightly over 6-1/2 feet, and also really can't explain why. Two things come to mind: The journals and faces of the wheels aren't actually in the same plane as the car sides. The car isn't square to the focal plane of the camera, as evidenced by the apparent angle of the car end But I can't see how either of those would cause that much error. It remains a mystery. Dennis Storzek
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors
Mont Switzer
All Monon steel gondolas, built in the late 1940's, were painted a freight car red color with white lettering EXCEPT a few 40 ft. gondolas which received black paint and yellow
lettering about 1958. Monon also painted a few boxcars and hopper cars this way before going back to freight car red with white lettering.
Outside the bounds of this list, In 1969 one hundred Monon steel gondolas were rebuilt off line in Washington, IN. They came back painted black with white lettering----and no heralds. These cars lasted up until about 1980 under L&N ownership.
Mont Switzer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Gatwood, Elden J SAD [elden.j.gatwood@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 9:16 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors To add to elsewhere: B&O, P&LE and NYC from fifties, Lake Terminal, Union RR (of Pgh), McKeesport Connecting, DRGW, Monongahela Rwy, Montour, C&I, EJ&E
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To add to elsewhere: B&O, P&LE and NYC from fifties, Lake Terminal, Union RR (of Pgh), McKeesport Connecting, DRGW, Monongahela Rwy, Montour, C&I, EJ&E
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:33 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors
Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.
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Speaking of decals
Scott H. Haycock
Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of this company's decals? I'm looking specifically at this set: https://modernrails.com/products?keywords=georgia%2C+florida+%26+alabama .
Thanks Scott Haycock
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Re: GM&O and A&WP colors
BillM
I believe FEC hoppers and gons were black in steam era and into the 1970s. Bill Michael
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: April 15, 2020 8:33 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors
Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.
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Re: GM&O and A&WP colors
Bill Welch
Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.
Black gons in the south: Southern, Virginian, N&W, ACL for sure Elsewhere: Reading, MEC, Wabash, P&WV, off the top of my head. Model On! Bill Welch
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The "Authoritative" Tichy Decal Line
Bill Welch
If you're taking a Tichy lettering diagram as gospel, I know a Nigerian prince that needs some help handling cash. Behold these howlers:
Ben Hom ------------------------------------ This is same company that advises customers to use Elmer's White Glue for best adhesion with their larger decals. Hmm, sounds like some kind of sticker to me, not a decal. Model On! Bill Welch
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Re: GM&O and A&WP colors
The few pics I have of GA gons, look more like oxide brown or red, often with most of the paint fallen off, so they look black. But they are out of era for this group.
GA/WPR had a Yahoo group but don't think it ever transitioned to groups.io, but this topic was raised there IIRC. Unfortunately don't remember what the consensus was. Trouble with Georgia/West Point Route stock is it's oftimes hard to work out whether you are looking at a something painted oxide red with all the paint fallen off, or black but covered in rust or clay dust.
They did have black hoppers tho.
Ben Scanlon
London, England
-- Ben Scanlon Tottenham, England
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Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can
Scott
I have switched to Mr Hobby super clear flat. It is by far the best of the rattle can flats I have used. Doesn't get very frosty at all. It looks like it goes on heavy but it really evaporates and shrinks back. It does stink really bad and has to be sprayed outside. Also you want to leave it in the garage or someplace for a while as it dries so you don't stink up the inside.
Ebay link to Mr Hobby Super Clear Flat. Scott McDonald
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Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train
Richard Townsend
MR had plans and an article of scratchbuilding such a car way back, probably in the 60s. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Melhorn <toyman@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:31 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train Hi Don,
Yes, Beaver Creek was the importer, Samhongsa was the builder and 1986 was the first year imported. Southern Pacific was the road, I have #6965 and I believe it is from the 1994 Run.
Joe Melhorn
Sahuarita, AZ
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Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo
spsalso
Dennis,
I just did the same, twice; and I agree. A very reasonable alternate method. 1.) I decided the center of the car was halfway between the inner wheelsets. 2.) I used the length of 40', as in the ORER. And I ran my calcs again (twice), and got the same dimension (6 3/4'). In this case: (20 x 3.3) / 9.5 = 6.9 Ah, well. 'Tis a puzzlement. Thanks, Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can
John Monrad
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM, Craig Zeni wrote:
I've been trying to get some of their paint, with very limited success. The paint seems to be sold in sets and i don't really need a variety of Luftwaffe or Japanese Naval colors...Spruebrothers carries Hataka individual Orange Line (lacquer) colors in 17ml bottles. John Monrad
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Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:33 PM, spsalso wrote:
I agree that the wheelbase length I got is very strange. If someone would care to examine the (American Smelting) photo and tell me where I went wrong, I'd surely like to hear. I would prefer to be wrong, because it's the simplest solution.I went about it a different way... I downloaded the high res TIF, blew the area up, and reasoning that at that distance the adjacent hopper car is essentially the same distance from the camera, simply used a caliper to compare the wheelbase to the T section Bettendorf trucks on the hopper. They are essentially the same. Possible explanation for your results: 1) what you thought was the center wasn't, or 2) the gon is 40 feet long rather than 46. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
greg kennelly
The late Bill Hewlett was an avid modeller of the Pacific Great Eastern and a prolific photographer. In the mid-1960s he became the first member of the Pacific Northwest Region of the NMRA to earn the Master Model Railroader designation (#18). His collection of PGE photographs is the property of the 7th Division, PNR, NMRA (Canada) and the current Superintendent, John Martin, has given me permission to post the attached photo of Bill's, showing PGE X-152, a Lidgerwood skidder. The photo was taken on Canada Day, July 1, 1958 at Squamish, BC. If anyone would like a larger copy of this, contact me off-list please. Hope the image comes through.
Cheers, Greg Kennelly -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Re: Striker Castings
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:42 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
That looks better. Note on the partial end view the nuts show at the bottom left corner of the casting, along with a call out for the bolt, which I just can't quite read, but looks like 1-3/8" diameter. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train
mel perry
there was also a construction article in the 2/65 issue of MR, by gib kennedy of the espee car mel perry
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Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train
maynard stowe
Don,
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Yes Beaver Creek brought in Southern Pacific Silk and Tea cars. Nicely painted and lettered. I have one for sale never been out of the box. If anyone is interested contact me off list at: ctsper1947@... Maynard Stowe
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Re: Photo: National Soap Company Tank Car LBRX 201
Tim is correct. Message #75971, 09/27/08.
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Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train
Joseph Melhorn
Hi Don, Yes, Beaver Creek was the importer, Samhongsa was the builder and 1986 was the first year imported. Southern Pacific was the road, I have #6965 and I believe it is from the 1994 Run.
Joe Melhorn Sahuarita, AZ
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Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Did not Beaver Creek or some small importer bring in a run of silk cars around 1987? Was not something like that on display at the NMRA National at Eugene,OR that August. Cannot recall what prototype but seem to recall something like that, Perhaps So Pac? Cordially, Don Valentine
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