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Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

mopacfirst
 

The MP gon is probably on MoW duty on the MoPac line into Omaha.  The embankment appears to be pretty well established, with grass on either side of the work area which has been bladed off.  There is a pole line on this side of the embankment, and what appears to be scrap rail or ties that are just being covered.

This suggests either repairing a washout, or perhaps widening the embankment at this point.  The car was built in 1919, 3000 cars from three builders, and by 1949 some surviving cars were being rebuilt with steel superstructure.  Non-rebuilt ones appear to have been gone by 1952.  The original USRA gons had eight drop doors.  Clones were built later, but with 10 drop doors.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: Poultry Car

spsalso
 

The statement by Ray Breyer:  "LPTC, please.  The X didn't come until after 1926." conflicts with my November 1926 ORER.  In the Live Poultry Transit Co. listing, there is no mention of LPTC.  It's LPTX.  L. P. T. X., actually.  There are massive listings in the back of the book for privately owned cars, and it's awash with "X"'s.  I DID find the H. J. Heinz listing, and THAT one does not end in X.  It is shown as H. J. H. Co.

My suspicion is that it was around 1926 when the "X" became required.  Previously, it appears to have been optional, although hugely widespread in 1926.  It is interesting that Heinz is listed in the index at the front of the book, but there are NO reporting marks shown.

I guess there's required, and then there's required.  In the January 1939 listing for Heinz, it says:

Cars marked (Temporary Marks) "H. J. H. Co." (Reporting Marks--"H. J. H. X.")...

So those temporary marks lingered for at least 13 years.

In the listing for Live Poultry, it notes "Total, 2200 cars."  Car numbers are said to range from 399 to 3599.  There is no mention of names on cars.  With 2200 cars, it would likely have been an irritation.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Rock Island modified a number of old class B1 double sheathed boxcars, from
circa 1910,to use as transfer cabooses at various terminals. Some even had
the proverbial park bench on the roof. They were numbered in the low 19xxx
range. See this example from 1946.

Steve Hile

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If you download the super high resolution version, there is a window in the
car end along with the side. This looks to me like a boxcar that has been
converted to MOW service.

Sunkist Flour is painted on the building behind the CGW. This would suggest
this facility is associated with Maney Milling Company in Omaha as that was
their brand name for their flour.

Bill Hirt

On 4/12/2020 12:04 PM, Paul Krueger wrote:
I was looking at photos on the Library of Congress website and found
these from Omaha with freight cars. Most were taken November 1938, but
I think one is from 1941.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Grain elevators - CGW boxcars in the midground, SAL box in the
background, and what is that on the side of the boxcar behind the RI
locomotive in the foreground?
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017762716/resource/


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

I’ve got to disagree with Tony here. The old growth Sitka spruce trees were absolutely huge. Both tall and thick. 

         But the really tall ones were not on the Olympic Peninsula. BTW, Richard is right to mention how thick they were in old age. Some were 60 feet or more in circumference.

Tony Thompson




SP&S Freight Cars from Salvaged Freight Cars

David
 

N&W 84300 to SP&S X-356 (Ice car, end bunkers removed), MOW, AFE 7617, June 1945
Something is wrong here. N&W 84300 was a 50-ton twin hopper in 1945.

David Thompson


Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

Allen Cain
 

Could this be an early tank car caring oil or some other product?

I worked in a smelter and there is no way anything remotely associated with with food should be within miles of those fumes.

Allen Cain


Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

William Hirt
 

From the Sanborn maps, it appears that L Street is the overpass. That places the station along the UP tracks which UP called the Old Main Line. The UP is the nearest 3 tracks to the station. The station I am almost sure is UP's South Omaha station. The other tracks belonged to Union Stock Yards Company. The stock yards are to the left (west) of the photographer.

Bill Hirt

On 4/12/2020 12:52 PM, John Larkin via groups.io wrote:
Next to last photo was on e-bay for a while a couple of months ago.  I'm not sure whose station is shown there but multiple railroads ran through here.  I'm going to have to dig out my old Omaha map to be accurate.

John Larkin

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19:28 PM CDT, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:


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Re: Photo: Poultry Car

Jake Schaible
 

Cool image.  Car name is "EGG", clearly seen above door in car attendant cabin.  Word "Live" can also be seen in the sill under panel 3 from left, so agree with Eric.  Perhaps somewhere is a list of LPTC (or X) car names, which might include more details?

 

 


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Richard Townsend
 

I’ve got to disagree with Tony here. The old growth Sitka spruce trees were absolutely huge. Both tall and thick. 


On Apr 12, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Tim O'Connor wrote:


They look like Lodgepole pine logs. The Lodgepole grows like a weed in the northwestern
states and forms dense stands. It's not a Douglas Fir or one of the mighty Spruce trees
from the Olympic Peninsula (that grew well over 300 feet tall) or even Ponderosa pine,
but not all lumber needs to be high quality. :-)

      Tim has (probably unintentionally) garbled his statement a little. The 300-ft. trees on the Olympic Peninsula are Douglas fir, not spruce (for record spruce trees, visit Vancouver Island). Lodgepoles 100 feet tall would be a VERY tall tree of that species. As I said, this doesn't CONTRADICT what Tim said, hopefully clarifies it.

Tony Thompson




Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

William Hirt
 

If you download the super high resolution version, there is a window in the car end along with the side. This looks to me like a boxcar that has been converted to MOW service.

Sunkist Flour is painted on the building behind the CGW. This would suggest this facility is associated with Maney Milling Company in Omaha as that was their brand name for their flour.

Bill Hirt

On 4/12/2020 12:04 PM, Paul Krueger wrote:
I was looking at photos on the Library of Congress website and found these from Omaha with freight cars. Most were taken November 1938, but I think one is from 1941.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Grain elevators - CGW boxcars in the midground, SAL box in the background, and what is that on the side of the boxcar behind the RI locomotive in the foreground?
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017762716/resource/


Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI

Paul Krueger
 

I can't read the numbers on the other cars clearly, but the closest two were built as auto cars with end doors, 205800-206199.

Most of this series was listed as XM cars in 1935, but about 64 were listed as XA cars with the end doors permanently closed. Interesting that one has a steel roof and the other doesn't.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Richard Wilkens
 

Here is a very early photo of SP&S 10092 C.T., probably shortly after being built.

Rich Wilkens


SP&S Freight Cars from Salvaged Freight Cars

Richard Wilkens
 

Here is a list of the foreign road cars that were wrecked on the SP&S and were salvaged and rebuilt for maintenance of way and commercial service. This list does not include the hundreds of freight cars purchased from parent roads GN & NP as well as the hundreds of second hand drop bottom gondolas purchased to be converted to woodchip cars.

Rich Wilkens

B&A 39280 to SP&S X-303 (Box car used as cable car) MOW, AFE 7647, October 1945

C&NW 122524 to SP&S X-285 (Outfit box car) MOW, AFE 7690, October 1945

CB&Q 44351 to SP&S X-144 (Box car water service), MOW, AFE 5951, July 1935

D&H 23754 to SP&S X-14 (Outfit box car) MOW, AFE 7270, December 1943

FGE 31660 to SP&S X-357 (Ice car, end bunkers removed), MOW, AFE 7617, June 1945

GN 65059 to SP&S X-146 (Flat car, GN car wrecked at North Bonneville, WA) MOW, AFE 6457, December 1938

N&W 84300 to SP&S X-356 (Ice car, end bunkers removed), MOW, AFE 7617, June 1945

NP 13815 to SP&S X-12 (Outfit flat car), MOW, AFE 7166, June 1943

NP 39762 to X-300 (Outfit box car), MOW, AFE 7028, December 1941

NP 44264 to X-9 (Idler car for wrecker), MOW, AFE 3920, September 1923

NP 69880 to SP&S X-6 (Flat car), MOW, AFE 4480, February 1926

NYNH&H 79835 to SP&S X-25 (Flat car), MOW, AFE 3131, April 1920

CRI&P 62119 to SP&S X-124 (Cook and dining car, RI car destroyed by fire at Vancouver, WA March 6, 1926), MOW, AFE 4617, June 1926

SDRX 6112 to SP&S X-84 (Water tank car), MOW, AFE 7592, August 1945

SDRX 6151 to SP&S X-85 (Water tank car), MOW, AFE 7592, August 1945

SLSF 147645 to SP&S X-86 (Flat car fitted with old 4,000 gal. tender oil cistern and used to hold water), MOW, AFE 7573, April 1945

SP 24332 (Box) to SP&S X-111 (Outfit flat car, mounting car for crane X-37) MOW, AFE 6893, August 1941

UP 13500 (Box) to SP&S 32003 (Flat car built from salvage of UP 13500 destroyed by fire at Amber, WA on September 1, 1916), Commercial service (later to MOW X-29), AFE 1665, February 1917


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:


They look like Lodgepole pine logs. The Lodgepole grows like a weed in the northwestern
states and forms dense stands. It's not a Douglas Fir or one of the mighty Spruce trees
from the Olympic Peninsula (that grew well over 300 feet tall) or even Ponderosa pine,
but not all lumber needs to be high quality. :-)

      Tim has (probably unintentionally) garbled his statement a little. The 300-ft. trees on the Olympic Peninsula are Douglas fir, not spruce (for record spruce trees, visit Vancouver Island). Lodgepoles 100 feet tall would be a VERY tall tree of that species. As I said, this doesn't CONTRADICT what Tim said, hopefully clarifies it.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Poultry Car

Lester Breuer
 

Bob thanks for sharing. Interesting photo.

First photo I have seen with the what I am guessing is the door to the center aisle out of the car attendant’s quarters or is it the side of the cages?

Lester Breuer


Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI

John Larkin
 

That shot highlights 3 Milwaukee boxcars with 3 different paint schemes.  I'm not a Milwaukee expert by any means but the cars appear to be built to the same plan.  That's one of the best pix I've ever seen illustrating how paint schemes can vary on what appears to be identical cars.

John Larkin

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:09:21 PM CDT, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:



Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

John Larkin
 

Next to last photo was on e-bay for a while a couple of months ago.  I'm not sure whose station is shown there but multiple railroads ran through here.  I'm going to have to dig out my old Omaha map to be accurate.

John Larkin

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19:28 PM CDT, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:


In the fifth picture, I have doubts about it being a pickle car.
It certainly looks similar to a pickle car but all pickle cars I have seen
images of were owned by a pickle packing company.
This car has Kansas City Southern on it.  What else could it be hauling?
I have no idea. Something briny or acidic, it would seem.
Could KCS have a car they leased to a pickle producer?  A partial number
might end in 24.
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:04 PM Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:
I was looking at photos on the Library of Congress website and found these from Omaha with freight cars. Most were taken November 1938, but I think one is from 1941.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

Unloading 'coal' (looks like cinders or gravel to me) - MP USRA gondola

Union Stock Yards - boxcars in the background

Grain elevators - CGW boxcars in the midground, SAL box in the background, and what is that on the side of the boxcar behind the RI locomotive in the foreground?

CGW boxcar close-up (too bad the photographer wasn't back a foot or so)

American Smelting and Refining - nice cut of freight cars across the middle of the photo, is that a pickle car in the middle? Two rail cranes in the photo too.

Another view of American Smelting, but the freight cars are more distant

Unloading sheep at the stock yards - MILW stock car being unloaded, Quaker City Live Stock Express stock car in the background with part of a RI stock car.

Close-up of sheep being loaded into a stock car
 
Stock yards - decent view of ARLX 11801 on the right

Omaha rail yard - good views of roofs and ends

Omaha elevated view - some freight cars in the lower left corner



Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

John Larkin
 

The first picture may likely be cinders used for fill.  Many years ago when UP built the cut-off through Omaha (bypassing the original line south of there) they built massive trestles.  These were filled in by dumping fill over until today's mainline was finished - this was quite a fill and required lots of material and dumping cinders was a very good way to get rid of them and fill in the trestles at the same time.  

If you ever pass through Omaha on I-80 the fill is very evident and extends for about 3+ miles.  Except for the lighting (I-80 is north of the railroad) it would be a great photo place.

John Larkin


On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19:28 PM CDT, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:


In the fifth picture, I have doubts about it being a pickle car.
It certainly looks similar to a pickle car but all pickle cars I have seen
images of were owned by a pickle packing company.
This car has Kansas City Southern on it.  What else could it be hauling?
I have no idea. Something briny or acidic, it would seem.
Could KCS have a car they leased to a pickle producer?  A partial number
might end in 24.
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:04 PM Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:
I was looking at photos on the Library of Congress website and found these from Omaha with freight cars. Most were taken November 1938, but I think one is from 1941.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

Unloading 'coal' (looks like cinders or gravel to me) - MP USRA gondola

Union Stock Yards - boxcars in the background

Grain elevators - CGW boxcars in the midground, SAL box in the background, and what is that on the side of the boxcar behind the RI locomotive in the foreground?

CGW boxcar close-up (too bad the photographer wasn't back a foot or so)

American Smelting and Refining - nice cut of freight cars across the middle of the photo, is that a pickle car in the middle? Two rail cranes in the photo too.

Another view of American Smelting, but the freight cars are more distant

Unloading sheep at the stock yards - MILW stock car being unloaded, Quaker City Live Stock Express stock car in the background with part of a RI stock car.

Close-up of sheep being loaded into a stock car
 
Stock yards - decent view of ARLX 11801 on the right

Omaha rail yard - good views of roofs and ends

Omaha elevated view - some freight cars in the lower left corner



Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

     I've yet to see eave boards on a "as built", Bill. Can you provide photos of any "as builts" with
them on the car? Can they not be added quite easily with a piece of Evergreen strip? I'm picky ,
too, but when a product is offered the way the original version was built and it is advertized in this 
case as as a USRA Double Sheathed, NOT as a MODIFIED USRA double sheathed, how can I 
complain? I still prefer the Ertl model as they are usually three for the price of one new Rapido
and I still feel that operating doors on injection molded box car models in HO scale ought to br
mandatory but that's my gripe, not everyone elses! Just saw too many empties rolling even into
the 1980's with their doors wide open and still vividly remember passing a northbound freight
paralleling I-5 somewhere north of Fresno in Aug. 1982 with three kids sitting in a boxcar with 
their feet hanging out and a dog sitting there with them. How are you going to model that in any 
time period if the darn door won't open???

Happy Easter, Don Valentine


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Jack Mullen
 

Bill,
As-Built, the metal roofing just wraps over the top of the sides. No fascia. Presence of a fascia indicates a replacement roof, and at that point various owners' choices diverge, and other mods may also appear. 

Jack Mullen

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