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Re: Looking for GN Monogram—Side Facing Goat: Great Northern Railway

radiodial868
 

Since I only use "Front Facing Goats", I chuck the "Sides" into a tin. I find 4 sizes in there, with 24" and 34" being the smallest.  The 34" are the only small ones with the "Railway". Is that what you are after?

RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA


Re: Looking for GN Monogram—Side Facing Goat: Great Northern Railway

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bill,

It's a little difficult to visualize the herald you are talking about.  Any chance you could post the photo of GN 9996?

Todd Sullivan.


Looking for GN Monogram—Side Facing Goat: Great Northern Railway

Bill Welch
 

I am decaling at Westerfield GN truss rod boxcar w/inset Murphy ends using a Bruce Meyer photo circa 1954 of #9996. It displays the GN Monogram w/the side facing goat with "Great Northern Railway" wrapped around the goat. Neither the Westerfield or Speedwitch decals i have include this version. Hoping someone here may know if this version exists in !/87 scale. I may be mistaken but I think the monogram used on the truss rod boxcar was smaller than the version used on taller 40-foot boxcars. Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

ford.donald77 <ford.donald77@...>
 

That should be not far from Victorville
Don Ford 
Cameron MO

On Sunday, February 23, 2020, 02:04:45 AM CST, Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...> wrote:


the containers look some thing like parts for airplanes or some other kind of ordnance. The Marine supply depot is far for Victorville
Don Ford 
Cameron MO
 

On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 09:16:11 PM CST, Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:


On 2/21/20 7:53 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:

> It is true the details are not clear enough, but to my eyes it looks
> like there are eight per car, arranged 4 long by 2 wide. each of the
> eight load items appears to have the wood secured with two dark black bands

Aha! Now I know what these look like. I think they are bundles of
untreated ties ready to be put into the creosote retorts.

I lived in Chattanooga when they still had a creosoting plant. Ties,
line poles, and what not were bundled so they would nearly fill the
cylindrical tanks. Any number of them would be rolled in on wee
four-wheel carts, the end cap bolted on, and the creosote pumped in and
out using pressure and vacuum. Stinky, but effective.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it!

Cheers,
/ Bruce /




Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

ford.donald77 <ford.donald77@...>
 

the containers look some thing like parts for airplanes or some other kind of ordnance. The Marine supply depot is far for Victorville
Don Ford 
Cameron MO
 

On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 09:16:11 PM CST, Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:


On 2/21/20 7:53 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:

> It is true the details are not clear enough, but to my eyes it looks
> like there are eight per car, arranged 4 long by 2 wide. each of the
> eight load items appears to have the wood secured with two dark black bands

Aha! Now I know what these look like. I think they are bundles of
untreated ties ready to be put into the creosote retorts.

I lived in Chattanooga when they still had a creosoting plant. Ties,
line poles, and what not were bundled so they would nearly fill the
cylindrical tanks. Any number of them would be rolled in on wee
four-wheel carts, the end cap bolted on, and the creosote pumped in and
out using pressure and vacuum. Stinky, but effective.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it!

Cheers,
/ Bruce /




Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

On 2/21/20 7:53 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

It is true the details are not clear enough, but to my eyes it looks like there are eight per car, arranged 4 long by 2 wide. each of the eight load items appears to have the wood secured with two dark black bands
Aha! Now I know what these look like. I think they are bundles of untreated ties ready to be put into the creosote retorts.

I lived in Chattanooga when they still had a creosoting plant. Ties, line poles, and what not were bundled so they would nearly fill the cylindrical tanks. Any number of them would be rolled in on wee four-wheel carts, the end cap bolted on, and the creosote pumped in and out using pressure and vacuum. Stinky, but effective.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it!

Cheers,
/ Bruce /


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

lrkdbn
 

Back in the mid 1970's I used to see this type of car at the old Pennsalt plant in Riverview MI. Most of them
looked like the ones in the 1940 CBD which was my basic resource then (the Kalmbach reprint which cost
an unbelieveable $40.00 then! Major money!!!) but one was different. The center sill was open, like truss rods except made of angle bars, so sort of a built up truss center sill. I seem to recall that IRM has what they describe as an ex NYC flat car built in 1912 by Pullman that has this same construction. My question would be -was the car I saw a conversion from a NYC car or even the same car that is now at IRM? The NYC did serve the chemical industry around Buffalo NY as well as the"downriver" Detroit area.where I saw the car.Any thoughts?
Larry King


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Donald B. Valentine
 

Plans for these cars for 15 canisters from ACF can be found on page #348 of the 
1937 CarBuilders Cyclopedia with a photo on page #349 acompanying photos of
the USN and USA helium cars.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


And here's an Ft-G with a wire wrapped redwood pipe load !!



On 2/21/2020 6:48 PM, Jim Gates via Groups.Io wrote:

Based on the stake pocket positions and the rivets above the bolster I would say class Ft-G.

Jim Gates
On Friday, February 21, 2020, 03:41:47 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Good friends,

Back in the late 1980s I discovered the remains of the Nelson & Albemarle Railroad, and its owner Alberene Stone Corporation in Schuyler, Virginia (the real-life Walton's Mountain of TV fame). The then-owner let me prowl around his property (yeah, I know liability, but this guy was known to walk around with a primed stick of dynamite sticking out of his shirt pocket).

I discovered that there were three ancient flat cars still in the plant. After the Nelson & Albemarle was abandoned in 1962, a short stretch of track was left intact between the factory and its associated machine shop for moving heavy machinery that might need repair. Three flatcars were retained, along with a small Plymouth locomotive. The locomotive was scrapped around 1967, but the flat cars were still in the weeds when I saw them around 1986 or 1987. I don't know if they are still there. The operation was sold to a Finish company around 1989, and they did some clean-up work on the property. I did mention to the Finish manager that these three cars would be welcome in any railroad museum, but my guess is they were scrapped.

One car was partially identifiable by the stake pockets which had ATSF CM 1921 cast into them. All three were still on arch bar trucks, which suggests they were on the property before WWII.

I have attached two photos of the car with the Santa Fe stake pockets for your commentary and approval. I would be curious to know what class the Santa Fe car was from, though I'm not sure all three were from the same source. They were very hard to inspect and photograph in the brush.

I'm going to head down that way one of these days and will see if by some miracle the cars are still there. Another miracle will be if they let me into the plant.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

Thomas Evans
 

I used to pack a Sandvik Brush Axe for clearing photo lines.
They can cut up to ~1" diameter & are (were) used by land surveyors.
I used it only occasionally, so it now resides in my coat closet.

Tom


Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I see it’s more properly called a grass whip.

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via Groups.Io" <bpehni@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 21, 2020 at 7:56 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

 

I used to pack a swing blade when railfanning. 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 

(Sent from my iPhone)



On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

A nice find at the time. Your photos illustrate why a weed wacker should the next thing in ones field pack after the cameras. :-)

Bob Witt


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Andy Laurent
 

Besides water treatment, these cars also would have delivered chlorine to paper mills. Attached is a photo of an unidentified chlorine TMU car at the Consolidated Papers mill in Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin during the early 1960s. One car is visible in the center, along with 2 rows of chlorine cylinders on "ground racks" behind the Quonset hut. Note the more modern GATX chlorine car to the right. This mill produced magazine-grade papers. Photo by H. Weldon McGee.

Andy L.
Wisconsin


Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I used to pack a swing blade when railfanning. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

A nice find at the time. Your photos illustrate why a weed wacker should the next thing in ones field pack after the cameras. :-)

Bob Witt


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Allen Cain
 

I suspect that Chlorine is highly corrosive which might explain the rust on the trucks.  Of course, any leakage would be deadly.

Allen Cain


Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

rwitt_2000
 

Someone found this referemce some time ago.


Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

Charles Peck
 

You spell weed wacker your way, I spell it M-A-C-H-E-T-E.
Never runs out of gas.
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 7:30 PM rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A nice find at the time. Your photos illustrate why a weed wacker should the next thing in ones field pack after the cameras. :-)

Bob Witt


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

David Soderblom
 

An interesting aspect of this photo is the rust on both trucks.  Maybe it’s “boxcar red” overspray, but I personally don’t recall seeing rust on freight car trucks because they always have so much oil and black all over them.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA






Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

rwitt_2000
 

A nice find at the time. Your photos illustrate why a weed wacker should the next thing in ones field pack after the cameras. :-)

Bob Witt


Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

Jim Gates
 


Based on the stake pocket positions and the rivets above the bolster I would say class Ft-G.

Jim Gates

On Friday, February 21, 2020, 03:41:47 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Good friends,

Back in the late 1980s I discovered the remains of the Nelson & Albemarle Railroad, and its owner Alberene Stone Corporation in Schuyler, Virginia (the real-life Walton's Mountain of TV fame). The then-owner let me prowl around his property (yeah, I know liability, but this guy was known to walk around with a primed stick of dynamite sticking out of his shirt pocket).

I discovered that there were three ancient flat cars still in the plant. After the Nelson & Albemarle was abandoned in 1962, a short stretch of track was left intact between the factory and its associated machine shop for moving heavy machinery that might need repair. Three flatcars were retained, along with a small Plymouth locomotive. The locomotive was scrapped around 1967, but the flat cars were still in the weeds when I saw them around 1986 or 1987. I don't know if they are still there. The operation was sold to a Finish company around 1989, and they did some clean-up work on the property. I did mention to the Finish manager that these three cars would be welcome in any railroad museum, but my guess is they were scrapped.

One car was partially identifiable by the stake pockets which had ATSF CM 1921 cast into them. All three were still on arch bar trucks, which suggests they were on the property before WWII.

I have attached two photos of the car with the Santa Fe stake pockets for your commentary and approval. I would be curious to know what class the Santa Fe car was from, though I'm not sure all three were from the same source. They were very hard to inspect and photograph in the brush.

I'm going to head down that way one of these days and will see if by some miracle the cars are still there. Another miracle will be if they let me into the plant.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I saw a program on TV about such a move. The cars were chained together as well, to prevent accidental uncoupling.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:11 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

 

I seem to remember seeing a similar picture years ago. It was undersea

telegraph or telephone cable.  It was wound spool to spool to spool and

continued across from car to car in one long continuous length.

Uncoupling levers had been removed, as I recall.

Chuck Peck

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:53 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Andy and List Members,

 

Andy wrote: "Details aren't clear enough to tell what kind of loads these are, but there's 2 per car"

 

It is true the details are not clear enough, but to my eyes it looks like there are eight per car, arranged 4 long by 2 wide. each of the eight load items appears to have the wood secured with two dark black bands

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

 

Here's an enlargement of 2 of the mystery load cars. Details aren't clear enough to tell what kind of loads these are, but there's 2 per car.

Andy Jackson

Santa Fe Springs CA