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Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

np328
 

   Tim,   
The wooden match company in the Duluth area was Diamond Match company located in Cloquet, MN. The GN had a line from Duluth/Superior going west through there and the NP had a branch from Carlton, MN going to Cloquet. The Milwaukee had trackage rights over the Twin Cities / Twin Ports line with rights to Cloquet also. All three lines competed for this traffic as there were other decent sized mills in Cloquet making particleboard also.  Cloquet was the terminus for the Cloquet & North Eastern Rwy which was notable for running a number of steam locomotives well into the 1960s. And several Trains photo writeups about Where to still find steam. 

Sulphuric Acid on the spuds. Well that answers it.    McDonalds wanted clean white potatoes for their fries. Maine potatoes had been sent out prior as the standard. However they could not get the uniform whiteness that the commercial market or McD wanted for french fries - so that is when Idaho took over and Maine spuds became an also ran. I recall maybe thirty years ago after some late spring skiing at Sun Valley (girls skiing in bikinis, guys in shorts and T's) my brother and I had a relaxed schedule home and wondered about going south following the UP east to Fremont and heading up from there following the old Omaha line, which was literally on the shoulder of the road at times before it was rebuilt some years ago.  On going south through Idaho, our western friends said no, no, no, they are spraying the potato fields! They want people to stay out area for three days after spraying. That was enough to convince us.  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick - Roseville, MN


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Jim Allen
 

They shipped many many cars full of potatoes to the Clover Club potato chip factory in Kaysville, UT.  They said they tasted better than the Idaho ones.  So they probably shipped them elsewhere for the same reason. 
--
Jim Allen
Utah


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Jim Allen
 

BAR & B&M 
shipped potatoes all over the country.  Clover Club Potato Chips in Kaysville, UT took many shipments of Maine potato’s. They have a taste of their own. 
Jim Allen
Visit oscaledirectory.com


--
Jim Allen
Utah


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Nice model Dave. Can you tell me when the ACL changed from yellow to red for the color of

the roads ventilated boxcars? Never realized the light color seen inn black & white photos

of some early ACL cars was yellow until it was mentioned in an earlier post here this week.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

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Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    In earlier years in boxcars but in post war years in gondolas with poles in

place to extend their height one could see B&M cars headed to Florida from

late October till early December each year. By now it should be obvious that

they were carrying Christmas trees. Mostly these were balsam or spruce but

other varieties are now grown as well. Alas they go by truck. Many other goods

manufactured within the B&M’s territory made to Florida by rail as well. What

might they have been loaded with for the trip back?

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

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Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

Larry Wolohon
 

Rich Yoder brought those out several years ago on O scale & Proto 48.

Larry Wolohon

On 07/06/2020 6:49 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,

An image of ACL ventilated boxcars is linked below... again, too bad the resolution is a little l acking.


Enjoy!

Claus Schlund



Re: Milk Containers on Flat Cars - Help with Colors

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    Renken’s Dairy also used the roll-on, roll-off milk containers. In several

Photos I have seen of both the Renken and some Borden’s containers seem

to indicate a red color which is also believed to have been used by Sealtest

for cars used by the General Ice Cream Co. that supplied the base mix for

ice cream to ice cream makers.

 

   Hope this helps rather than leaving you more puzzled as color photos are

rare. Be aware that there were at least two and I think three styles of tanks

used as well. Randy has photos of one and I have drawings for another

received from Fruit Growers Express, which basically owned National Car,

long gone facility at Potomac Yard.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

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Re: Photo: Flood Damaged PFE Reefers

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Bob,

     It is not the fact that some of the siding has come ff of these PFE reefers that I notice so much as

the way it has come off. If you look at both photos the cars all show a 4 and 4 panel pattern on either

side of the doors in the same places n the car sides even if the number of individual boards lost varies.

This leads me to wonder just how these cars were originally constructed or “assembled”. Could it be

that panels of siding were assembled as units before actually being applied to the sides of the cars?

In the interest of saving time during construction this would make some sense as the method is often

found in home construction today wherein a house is constructed of prebuilt panels that are assembled

on site. If so it is the earliest example of this mass-production method I have seen for wood construction.

Perhaps Tony Thompson, as our resident PFE man, has some insight on this.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

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Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Bud,

 

     You are aware, I presume, that someone offered a resin kit for the Cabot Corp. carbon black

cars. If memory serves I believe it was Steve Funaro of F&C.

 

My best, Don Valentine

 

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Re: ERDX Reefers

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Eastern States Farmers Exchange warehouse in Black Rock (Buffalo), NY to the

various stores all around New England. If hey had not merged with GLF to form

 Agway they might still be with us.

 

My best, Don Valentine

 

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Re: Jerry Hamsmith kits

golden1014
 

Hi Phil, I just ordered a Q flat car from Jerry and received it in about four weeks.  I recommend you contact him first to check availability.

John Golden
Ramstein Air Base, Germany 09012


Re: CN on the CV in less than warmer times

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Someone has been up on the White River Jct. coal dock in the CV yard. The FM’s are CN

But the steamer is a CV #600 Class 4-8-2  Those were better days, 1950-1956. Who do we

Thank for taking this view?

 

My best, Don Valentine

 

 

 

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Globe was Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 

I was not  very clear in my comments about Globe. As Tony has noted, Model Railroader magazine was correct about Frank Taylor being the founder of Globe.

It is my understanding that the remnants of Globe were liquidated in bankruptcy. Prendergast may have been a facilitator of the court or perhaps he purchased the whole shebang (fixtures, machinery, office equipment) and resold it piecemeal with the product tooling going to Irv Athearn. 
Richard Bale 

In a message dated 6/30/2020 10:12:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, tony@... writes:

Richard Bale wrote:

Globe was originated by Hal Prendergast and purchased by Athearn

       This conflicts with what was in Model Railroader in the late 1940s. It stated that Globe was founded in 1942 by Frank Taylor, who had been editor of MR, joined by well-known O scale modeler and scratch builder Carl Traub. The company began in Milwaukee, located at 4224 Lincoln, before moving to Chicago about 1950. Athearn bought them in July 1951.
        I know of no connection with Hal Prendergast, unless he facilitated the Athearn purchase.

Tony Thompson


Photo Help -- DT&I Boxcar #14300-14549

Bob Chapman
 

Can anyone point me to a photo of DT&I boxcar series #14300-14549? Postwar AA R with R-3-4 ends. I have a decent archives of periodicals and have Googled them -- t hese guys are definitely camera shy.

Any help appreciated!

Thanks,
Bob Chapman


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Ed Hawkins if much more qualified than I to answer this question in detail.  Both the UTLX X-5 design and the ACF 105-A designs evolved.  The X-5 used the same underframe features (sills, tank saddles, etc.) as the X-3 design.  A key spotting feature is two columns of 3 rivets where the side sill meet the bolster.  In the years following WWII they expanded the use of welding to the underframe components.  The side and end sills blend in a rounded corner and there are now only 2 columns of two rivet each at the side sill bolster junction.  The metal running board almost looks like it is floating over the underframe.  This is what we see in UTLX 96720.

 

ACF high pressure cars were, likewise, initially mounted on a version of their Type 27 underframe.  Ed Hawkins’ extensive presentation on these cars, leading up to and including what became the Kadee model has been available from the Kadee web site.  When ACF moved to a welded underframe design circa 1950, it tended to resemble the UTLX welded design, with the exception that there are no rivets at the bolster to side sill junction.  These are also shown in Ed’s presentation.  There are probably other differences, including the tank saddles and, perhaps, location of the brake components.

 

So, the Kadee model represents the riveted Type 27 style underframe.  There are some things that you can do with the Atlas 11,000 gallon model underframe to more closely simulate the welded versions.  I did on in my Warren project a few years ago.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Steve,

So, with that correction made (thanks), how close are the UTLX cars to the ACF design(s) in appearance?

Todd Sullivan


Re: UTLX 96720

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim, UTLX 96720 is from series 87658-99999, 11,251 gallons, type TPI. I'm not really familiar with the Kadee model's pedigree, as these are a bit outside my interest.

Hope this of use.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

So is this UTLX tank car an ACF product? Does it match the Kadee model?

And check the roof on the lumber box car - Evidently a Milwaukee rib side car. :-)


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Mystery Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I agree, almost certainly these are gons with side extension racks for coke loading
 
Some PRR examples are shown at the links below...
 
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Mystery Cars

Probably for hauling coke
Fenton

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:57 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Mystery Cars

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/025947.jpg

These cars appear to be gondolas with extensions. Anyone have an idea what these cars were used for?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: Wanting to model accurate watermelon loads

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Rick,

I, and my parents were born in Iowa, though I grew up in La-La Land (aka California). We ate a lot of watermelons when I was young, most of them probably coming from around Fresno. My parents always complained about the taste, and longed for a Muscatine melon. My mother told me they were only sold locally because they had such thin rinds that they didn't ship well. Obviously that is not the case, unless by the late 1940s they had been bred to have thinner rinds or some other factor that later limited their sales range.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:29 AM Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:
Muscatine Melon: A Case Study of a Place-based Food in Iowa Susan Futrell – One Backyard Consulting, Iowa City, Iowa and Craig Chase – ISU Extension Farm Management, Waterloo, Iowa


By 1921, production of melons from Muscatine County totaled 750 carloads of watermelon, produced on around 2000 acres of land; and 100 carloads of muskmelon and cantaloupe, grown on around 500 acres. The 1925 Iowa State Vegetable Growers Association reported that Hal Wolford of Conesville was growing Hales Best and Perfectos: “The biggest benefit over California melons is that they are vine-ripened close to market.” It took approximately 12 days for the melons to reach the East Coast from the West Coast, whereas it took about six to eight days from Iowa (Iowa State Vegetable Growers Association Annual Report, 1925). Truck growers at this point used domestic farm labor for producing and harvesting, and any other labor needed came from the city of Muscatine. Most of the vegetables were marketed in Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, New Orleans, and the Twin Cities. Chicago was a 12-hour run by railroad; St. Louis, Kansas City and New Orleans were on direct rail lines, which offered good transportation facilities to the area growers. The Growers Association also reported for the first time in 1925 that Iowa cantaloupes were shipped to New York in carlots.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Don Hand <donlhand@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 8:46 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wanting to model accurate watermelon loads
 
Group - One good reference is the article, Moving Melons by Rail, by David Steer, Railroad Model Craftsman, Jan. 2014. More about the cars is in Ventilated Box Car, by Robert L. Hundman, Mainline Modeler, Apr. 2006.

I live in Hempstead, Texas, which was the watermelon shipping capital of the U.S., prior to 194O.  Although, surviving photos show watermelons being shipped primarily in T&NO stock cars.

Don Hand


Re: Businesses served by the PRR's Mon Division/Branch over time

naptownprr
 

What do the numbers represent in the columns?  Surely they are not carloads.


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Groups;

 

To add to the discussion on industries served, over time, I thought you might find this interesting:

 

PRR’s Monongahela Division/Branch:   1918, 1939, 1945, 1962:

Business Traffic by Commodity/Industry – 1918 to 1962

Commodity/

Industry

1918

1939

1945

1962

Auto/Truck Delivery

1

 

 

 

Boiler Tubes

1

 

 

 

Boxes

 

2

2

2

Brewing/Distilling

12

5

5

1

Brick (Standard, not refractories)

2

1

1

 

Cement

 

1

1

1

Chemical/Coke By-Products

1

3

4

4

Coal (Mining)

48

32

39

16

Coal (Retail)

1

2

2

 

Coke

 

4

1

1

 

Coal AND Coke

 

7

1

 

 

Concrete Block

 

 

 

1

Construction

 

 

2

 

Cooperage (Barrels)

1

1

1

 

Dairy

 

1

1

1

Drain Pipe

 

1

1

1

Drywall

 

1

1

1

Electrical Products

 

 

 

1

Feed and/or Milling

 

1

1

1

Flour

 

1

1

1

Foundry Products/”Iron Works”/Castings

3

1

1

 

Finished Furniture Storage & Transfer

 

1

1

 

Glass & Glasshouse Supply

 

11

5

5

2

Grain

2

 

 

 

Grocery/Supermarket Supply

1

1

1

1

Hangers

 

1

1

1

Hay

1

 

 

 

Ice

3

1

1

 

Iron Only (Muck Iron)

1

1

1

1

Iron & Steel Pipe (Primarily iron)

2

1

1

1

LCL/Station Deliveries

35

34

37

14

Lumber/Commercial Products/Building Supply

21

17

20

13

Machinery

5

4

4

3

Marine Ways

 

1

1

1

Meat

3

4

4

1

Mercantile

 

 

1

 

Mine & Mill Supply

 

1

1

1

1

Munitions Casings

 

 

1

1

Natural Gas

2

1

1

1

Oil or Refined Products

6

8

13

8

Paper (Wrapping)

1

 

 

 

Plumbing Supply

 

1

1

2

Power Generation

1

2

4

3

Produce

2

2

2

1

Railroad Track Parts

1

1

1

1

Railroad Wheels

1

1

1

?

Refractories

1

1

1

1

Sand & Gravel

2

1

1

 

Sashes & Doors

 

1

1

1

Scrap/Iron & Metal

2

2

5

5

Slag

 

 

1

 

Specialty Moving Services

 

 

1

 

Steel/Iron & Steel (primarily steel)

9

15

15

13

Steel Supply for Fabricators

1

1

1

1

Storage/Transfer/Warehousing

1

3

4

3

Team Track

1

1

1

1

Toy Pistols

1

 

 

 

Trunks & Bags

 

1

1

1

***Unknown***

 

8

15

6?

U.S. Army Engineers

 

1

1

 

Water (Water Treatment)

1

2

3

3

TOTAL BUSINESSES

 

200

180

218

122?

TOTAL CARLOADS IN / OUT

 

12,481/21,759

 

 

 

Percent Coal Mining (Out)

24%

18%

18%

13%

Carloads of Coal/Percentage of Total

 

 

 

 

Percent Station Delivery (In/Out)

18

19

17

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Steel Industry (In/Out)

5

8

7

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Lumber/Building Supply (In)

11

9

9

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note big declines in brewing, coal mining, coke, glass, LCL, and growth in steel and scrap.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 


Re: Businesses served by the PRR's Mon Division/Branch over time

tmkprr1954
 

Elden,
That is indeed an interesting evolution of customers.  Did that come from CT1000s?

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling the PRR in 1954 (ish)
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Purcelleville, VA

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