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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Dennis Storzek
 

Jeez, guys, just order it from McMaster Carr. Nice clean flat sheets in a variety of sizes and thicknesses.
https://www.mcmaster.com/lead-sheets
They also have lead shot and lead wool... search those terms from the page above.

Dennis Storzek


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Dave Parker
 

Criminy, just Google it:  "states where lead tire weights are banned" 

More info than you can possibly need.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

mel perry
 

just the tire hammer on's weights


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 8:20 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Are you telling us that they don’t use lead tire weights in CA?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

 

On 6/23/2020 6:34 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

just go over on Saturday night after they have cleaned up and closed and pick up weights on the concrete.

    I live in CA so I have to order if it's to be real lead.

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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Nelson Moyer
 

Are you telling us that they don’t use lead tire weights in CA?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

 

On 6/23/2020 6:34 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

just go over on Saturday night after they have cleaned up and closed and pick up weights on the concrete.

    I live in CA so I have to order if it's to be real lead.

-- 
Jon Miller
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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/23/2020 6:34 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:
just go over on Saturday night after they have cleaned up and closed and pick up weights on the concrete.

    I live in CA so I have to order if it's to be real lead.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Tom in Texas
 

Some of my friends have purchased lead chimney flashing from a big box store and cut it up into strips which can be glued most anywhere



Tom Pearson


Re: ATSF 5714 Fx 8 color photo

Nelson Moyer
 

The original question was not about any ATSF boxcars through Iowa, but only the auto/furniture rebuilds.

 

I looked at Richard’s table titled, The Most Significant Santa Fe Freight Car Classes in 1950, and according to the table, I should expect to see ATSF boxcars in decreasing frequency from the list below.

 

Bx-37/43

Bx-48/50/51/53

Bx-11/12

Bx-28/31-33/36

Bx-11-13

Bx-27

Bx-3/6

Bx-41/42/45/46

Bx-34

 

All of these car classes had at least 1,950 on the ORER in 1950. The largest group of automobile/furniture rebuilds was 1,300 for FE-6-11/13/14.16.18/20 combined.

 

I looked at the Class, Number, and Assignments table in the kit instructions, and I don’t find a significant number of general service cars matching the kit that were operating in 1953. Most cars had auto racks that were not removed until after that date, end doors, or other disqualifiers.

 

I have two YMW ATSF  cars, a BX-48/50/51 and a Bx-63, both of which are more likely to pass through Burlington than any of the Fe class cars. I think any future ATSF boxcars I acquire will come from the top end of the frequency table prepared by Richard.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF 5714 Fx 8 color photo

 

Nelson Moyer wrote:



I model Fall 1953. The question would be how did the ATSF car get to Iowa to be commandeered for grain hauling, or put another way, what’s the likelihood of the car being in Iowa.

 

         Don't forget what we learned from Gilbert-Nelson. Cars show up around the country (on major railroads, and on main lines) according to their proportion of the national car fleet, if they are free-running cars like general-purpose box cars and gondolas. Santa Fe had one of the biggest car fleets in the country, so it would be more surprising for a Santa Fe car to be ABSENT in Iowa, than for it to be present.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Dave Parker
 

The OP asked about the singular problem of adding weight to a flat car.  Why are we talking about box cars, which can be weighted with just about anything (steel nuts or plate, a scrap piece of oak, etc.. etc.)  And why are we talking about lead-free tire weights, which are largely what -- tin or iron?  At about 7-8 g/cm3?

It looks like 100% lead sheeting in several thicknesses is still available on good old Amazon; free shipping with Prime.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Help Needed for MoPac Box Car Model

hubert mask
 

Nice photos!

Hubert Mask  Mask Island Decals Inc.


On Jun 23, 2020, at 9:57 PM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

More Photos. 89164 and 89017 had end doors.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of golden1014 via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:43 AM
To: realstmfc@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Help Needed for MoPac Box Car Model

 

Hi Gents,

 

I am rebuilding the Roundhouse/MDC/Athearn 50-foot, single-sheathed auto car to model a MoPac prototype.  

 

The major features of the model are single-sheathed sides, 3-3-3 inverse dreadnaught ends, fishbelly centersill underframe, steel doors, radial roof.  No end door (key point).

 

I have the Speedwitch decal set for the model.  The Speedwitch decal instructions indicate the first 50 cars in the series 89000-89049 had inverse dreadnaught ends, no end doors.  However, photos show cars in the 89000-89049 series with end doors.  A photo of 89169, the last car, also shows end doors.  Therefore the decal set is incorrect for use for my model, since the model does not have end doors.

 

I don't know if Roundhouse/MDC/Athearn made a similar model with an end door.  I could be wrong but I don't think they did.  They certainly made a similar car with end doors, but I don't think they offered this body style, which is almost perfect for MoPac, with end doors.  

 

Here's the question: Is there a prototype for the model referenced, without an end door?  According to Focus on Freight Cars #1, MP had 1,000 of such cars, most without end doors.  Does anyone have a photo from the other series without an end door?

 

Attached are a few photos.  Note the model has no end door, but the proto-photo does.

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

 

John Golden

Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany


RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/

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Re: Help Needed for MoPac Box Car Model

Steve SANDIFER
 

More Photos. 89164 and 89017 had end doors.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of golden1014 via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:43 AM
To: realstmfc@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Help Needed for MoPac Box Car Model

 

Hi Gents,

 

I am rebuilding the Roundhouse/MDC/Athearn 50-foot, single-sheathed auto car to model a MoPac prototype.  

 

The major features of the model are single-sheathed sides, 3-3-3 inverse dreadnaught ends, fishbelly centersill underframe, steel doors, radial roof.  No end door (key point).

 

I have the Speedwitch decal set for the model.  The Speedwitch decal instructions indicate the first 50 cars in the series 89000-89049 had inverse dreadnaught ends, no end doors.  However, photos show cars in the 89000-89049 series with end doors.  A photo of 89169, the last car, also shows end doors.  Therefore the decal set is incorrect for use for my model, since the model does not have end doors.

 

I don't know if Roundhouse/MDC/Athearn made a similar model with an end door.  I could be wrong but I don't think they did.  They certainly made a similar car with end doors, but I don't think they offered this body style, which is almost perfect for MoPac, with end doors.  

 

Here's the question: Is there a prototype for the model referenced, without an end door?  According to Focus on Freight Cars #1, MP had 1,000 of such cars, most without end doors.  Does anyone have a photo from the other series without an end door?

 

Attached are a few photos.  Note the model has no end door, but the proto-photo does.

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

 

John Golden

Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany


RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Steve SANDIFER
 

If you have a Pep Boys, Discount Tires, or NTW tire place in town, just go over on Saturday night after they have cleaned up and closed and pick up weights on the concrete.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:36 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

 

clip-on weights for balancing tires would be very useful for a variety of cars (once they have been flattened), as they come in assortment of weights/sizes

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 7:28 PM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:

On 6/19/2020 1:33 PM, Rick Naylor wrote:

Auto Zone and some of the other Auto supply houses have lead/tin with self stick down to ¼ oz . and a box cost about $10 -$15.

    I did a search on Auto Zone and found nothing except clip on weights.  What are exact words to search for and do you have names for other supply houses.

-- 
Jon Miller
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Re: ATSF 5714 Fx 8 color photo

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I knew a man who was in sales for the ERIE and later the EL.  At one time he was assigned to the EL’s Dallas sales office.  He had a very good customer with a good deal of shipping to New York, and some into New England.  His preferred routing was from his plant in Texas to Chicago, east on the EL, to Maybrook to the NH for the New England shipments, and to Hoboken for the NYC area shipments.  Why?
 
He liked the attitude and cooperation of the EL sales people.  It was, after all, the “Friendly Service Route.”

    Schuyler, I think this was quite common for many decades. I have heard tales of shippers routing rather indirectly, over roads they "liked," much like your story. You had to do this within reason -- almost any fairly direct route was "approved," but if you came with a roundabout one, it likely would not be in the "approved routes" book, and the railroad could then change it en route. Jerry Steward told about "correcting" waybills like this. So there were limits, mainly to prevent people routing so indirectly that they doubled back. This was not okay.
      I'm sure there are a number of people on the list who can provide much more on this topic than I can.

Tony Thompson




Re: ATSF 5714 Fx 8 color photo

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Oversimplification, Tony - the shipper could choose AMONG routes that were available in a published TARIFF.

   Not really. It's true that an agent with a full set of "approved routing" books had a four-foot shelf of the things -- but as Jerry Stewart pointed out, it would be hard to devise a routing east of the Mississippi that wasn't approved. Less so out West, but even there, many, many possibilities. 
     I have gone over these routing points many times in my blog and in this forum, Tim, as you well know.

Tony Thompson




Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Rick Naylor
 

Make sure this fits by entering your model number.-Each box will come complete with 48 strips. -Each strip has 12 x 1/4 oz segments. -Eco friendly, 50 state legal, zinc coated Steel tape weights.
www.amazon.com



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:35 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?
 
clip-on weights for balancing tires would be very useful for a variety of cars (once they have been flattened), as they come in assortment of weights/sizes

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 7:28 PM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 6/19/2020 1:33 PM, Rick Naylor wrote:
Auto Zone and some of the other Auto supply houses have lead/tin with self stick down to ¼ oz . and a box cost about $10 -$15.

    I did a search on Auto Zone and found nothing except clip on weights.  What are exact words to search for and do you have names for other supply houses.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Rick Naylor
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?
 
clip-on weights for balancing tires would be very useful for a variety of cars (once they have been flattened), as they come in assortment of weights/sizes

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 7:28 PM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 6/19/2020 1:33 PM, Rick Naylor wrote:
Auto Zone and some of the other Auto supply houses have lead/tin with self stick down to ¼ oz . and a box cost about $10 -$15.

    I did a search on Auto Zone and found nothing except clip on weights.  What are exact words to search for and do you have names for other supply houses.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Rick Naylor
 

Get the exact balance required for the job with these wheel weights! The lead-free weights come in strips and are individually scored in 1/4 oz. segments to make the exact weight for each balancing job. The weights feature adhesive backings for easy, secure attachment. Adhesive tape backing. Lead free (y/n) Shipping Weight.
www.harborfreight.com



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Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:35 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?
 
clip-on weights for balancing tires would be very useful for a variety of cars (once they have been flattened), as they come in assortment of weights/sizes

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 7:28 PM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 6/19/2020 1:33 PM, Rick Naylor wrote:
Auto Zone and some of the other Auto supply houses have lead/tin with self stick down to ¼ oz . and a box cost about $10 -$15.

    I did a search on Auto Zone and found nothing except clip on weights.  What are exact words to search for and do you have names for other supply houses.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Nelson Moyer
 

Go to your local NAPA store and ask for BADA Tape-A-Weight #7026. These wheel weights come in  0.25 oz. sections, and they are self-sticking with a peel off backing. You’ll get about 9 lb. of lead in the box for around $80. The adhesive tape is strong, so be sure you place them right because you can’t move them once placed without destroying the tape. I’ve never had one come loose. The average boxcar takes seven sections of weight to bring it up to NMRA recommendation. Since you get 576 quarter oz. sections in the box, you can weight about 82 cars for about $1.00 per car.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:36 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

 

clip-on weights for balancing tires would be very useful for a variety of cars (once they have been flattened), as they come in assortment of weights/sizes

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 7:28 PM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:

On 6/19/2020 1:33 PM, Rick Naylor wrote:

Auto Zone and some of the other Auto supply houses have lead/tin with self stick down to ¼ oz . and a box cost about $10 -$15.

    I did a search on Auto Zone and found nothing except clip on weights.  What are exact words to search for and do you have names for other supply houses.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: Help Needed for MoPac Box Car Model

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

John,

Yes, MDC did do cars without end doors. I'm not sure all the various configurations came both ways. Certainly the WP cars with the herald plate on the door came both ways, as I have one of each.

Do you have Richard Hendrickson's RMJ articles on these cars? In July 1995 he presented "50-Foot Single-Sheathed MDC Box Car Kits, Dealing with Molded-on Ladders and Grabirons"; this was about re-detailing chiefly for T&P and WP. This was followed in the same issue by "The 50-Foot Box Car . . . From MDC, Walthers or Westerfield Kits in HO Scale and Cameron Scale Model Kits in O Scale", which was more about possible prototypes (includes a roster). There is a photo here of MP 85281 showing its non-door A end. In the July 1996 RMJ he wrote "Adding Grabiorns & Ladders Without New Decals: Detailing MDC HO Scale 50-Foot Single-Sheathed Box Car Kits". This article specifically shows photos of one of his end-door MP models.

Also of possible interest was Ted Culotta's article in the April 2008 RMC, "50-foot Single-sheathed boxcars" from his Essential Freight Cars series.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:16 PM golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Gents,

I am rebuilding the Roundhouse/MDC/Athearn 50-foot, single-sheathed auto car to model a MoPac prototype.  

The major features of the model are single-sheathed sides, 3-3-3 inverse dreadnaught ends, fishbelly centersill underframe, steel doors, radial roof.  No end door (key point).

I have the Speedwitch decal set for the model.  The Speedwitch decal instructions indicate the first 50 cars in the series 89000-89049 had inverse dreadnaught ends, no end doors.  However, photos show cars in the 89000-89049 series with end doors.  A photo of 89169, the last car, also shows end doors.  Therefore the decal set is incorrect for use for my model, since the model does not have end doors.

I don't know if Roundhouse/MDC/Athearn made a similar model with an end door.  I could be wrong but I don't think they did.  They certainly made a similar car with end doors, but I don't think they offered this body style, which is almost perfect for MoPac, with end doors.  

Here's the question: Is there a prototype for the model referenced, without an end door?  According to Focus on Freight Cars #1, MP had 1,000 of such cars, most without end doors.  Does anyone have a photo from the other series without an end door?

Attached are a few photos.  Note the model has no end door, but the proto-photo does.

Thanks in advance for your help!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

Attachments:


Re: silver SAL box cars

Tony Thompson
 

Thanks, John. My question was, WHEN were they painted silver?
Tony Thompson 


On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:16 PM, golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014@...> wrote:



Silver SAL box cars were insulated box cars, often called “beer cars”.  Light gray cars were modified 1937 cars with roof hatches for cement loading.  


John Golden


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Ray Hutchison
 

clip-on weights for balancing tires would be very useful for a variety of cars (once they have been flattened), as they come in assortment of weights/sizes


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 7:28 PM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 6/19/2020 1:33 PM, Rick Naylor wrote:
Auto Zone and some of the other Auto supply houses have lead/tin with self stick down to ¼ oz . and a box cost about $10 -$15.

    I did a search on Auto Zone and found nothing except clip on weights.  What are exact words to search for and do you have names for other supply houses.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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