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Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Bob Chaparro
 

Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

A photo from the Kansas Historical Society:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/51765

Click on the photo to enlarge it, then click on the "Enlarge" button to further enlarge it.

Caption: "Atchison, Topeka, & Santa Fe manifest train (a fast freight train hauling perishables or livestock) with caboose ATSF 1810 brining up the rear of the train. This photograph was taken in the high desert of California near the Mohave River near Victorville, California by R. C. Bradley for AT&SF."

Does anyone know what are the loads on the six flat cars ahead of the three tank cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Andy Laurent
 

It appears that in later years the canister retainer clips were augmented with 2 straps over the top of the canisters.

Andy L
Wisconsin


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

They do indeed vary by time period. Some are deeply indented; others less so. From what I've been told, they were almost exclusively used for Chlorine.

Not all were built by AC&F. I will dig my stuff up and look into it.

Elden Gatwood

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I have numerous photos of these cannister flat cars, and they are always loaded with
their cannisters. The precise style of cannisters does vary - perhaps related to the
commodity, or time period? They all have 15 cannisters in my photos.

Was ACF the builder of all these cars?

Tim O'


On 2/19/2020 2:45 PM, James E Kubanick wrote:


When I lived out East during the 1980's there was a small water treatment plant in Lansdale PA that still received these cars. I believe that the cars were returned with empty canisters aboard. I never saw a car without them, but practices may vary - especially during our timeframe.



Jim Kubanick



On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 8:24:24 PM EST, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh=yahoo.com@groups.io> <mailto:mike_schleigh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:




One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s. The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos." I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back. Neat stuff even now! The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011). This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER.


Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car.


Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] REA questions

naptownprr
 

Thanks.  I also didn't know that REA bought some used troop kitchen cars.


Jim Hunter


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On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:32 PM, naptownprr wrote:

So how were the cars lettered before 1953?

http://www.gregariousrailfan.com/images/REA_rail_car.jpg

Dennis


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] REA questions

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:32 PM, naptownprr wrote:

So how were the cars lettered before 1953?

http://www.gregariousrailfan.com/images/REA_rail_car.jpg

Dennis


Re: chlorine cannister flats

Allan Smith
 

The article is in Model Railroader November 1953 Page 66-70. Building an HO Chlorine Car by Eric Stevens.

Al Smith
Sonra CA

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 03:33:30 PM PST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Ron Merrick wrote:

I'd say it was certainly possible that the cars could have moved empty sometimes, but more than likely a loaded car went to a customer with full containers and returned with empty containers from the last shipment.

  This is my understanding too. Cars always carried containers, loaded or empty. I would think an empty one would be out of service.

Tony Thompson




Re: chlorine canister flats

s shaffer
 

I remember in the 1940's 50's Model Railroader magazine ran a series of scratch building "Dollar Models". One of them was a chlorine tank car.

Steve Shaffer


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] REA questions

naptownprr
 

So how were the cars lettered before 1953?


Jim Hunter


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Don

The gold lettered scheme was introduced in 1953.

The white lettered scheme began in 1960.

Then from 1961 the lettering style changed to sans serif and the
new REA herald was introduced. At first the cars were Hunter Green
and then later Chromate Green.

Tim O'



On 2/11/2020 10:06 PM, Don DeLay via Groups.Io wrote:

I have a few questions if anyone knows the answers. What years are these cars good for and when did the paint change from dark to light green? Thanks in advance

Don DeLay

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Re: chlorine canister flats

Tony Thompson
 

    Those who have Ed Kaminski's book on AC&F tank cars can see an advertisement with a drawing for a "one-ton" liquified-gas container on page 8, including a cutaway of the attachment point.

Tony Thompson




Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Allen Cain
 

Here are some pictures of the Chlorine canister cars along with one of the MTS model.  Note that in some you are seeing the top of the canister with the connection point and it some the domed bottom.

Allen Cain


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Allen Cain
 

Here are some pictures of the Chlorine cars with the canisters including one of the MTS model.

Allen Cain


Re: chlorine cannister flats

Tony Thompson
 

Ron Merrick wrote:

I'd say it was certainly possible that the cars could have moved empty sometimes, but more than likely a loaded car went to a customer with full containers and returned with empty containers from the last shipment.

  This is my understanding too. Cars always carried containers, loaded or empty. I would think an empty one would be out of service.

Tony Thompson




Re: Help with freight car list

Rich Gibson
 

Actually, there is a contradiction between the two lists in the report. The first list shows HERX 10916. The second list shows HCRX 10916. All the other HERX cars are numbered in the 2000’s. HCRX would be Houston Creosote Co.

Rich Gibson
Golden,CO


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

mopacfirst
 

Here's one.  Shipper would have been Frontier Chemical, which at the time was a division of Vulcan Materials, now Oxy (Occidental Chemicals).

This car is unmarked, but that's not necessarily indicating whether or not it was on lease.  I'd say it was certainly possible that the cars could have moved empty sometimes, but more than likely a loaded car went to a customer with full containers and returned with empty containers from the last shipment.

Ron Merrick


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


I have numerous photos of these cannister flat cars, and they are always loaded with
their cannisters. The precise style of cannisters does vary - perhaps related to the
commodity, or time period? They all have 15 cannisters in my photos.

Was ACF the builder of all these cars?

Tim O'


On 2/19/2020 2:45 PM, James E Kubanick wrote:
When I lived out East during the 1980's there was a small water treatment plant in Lansdale PA that still received these cars. I believe that the cars were returned with empty canisters aboard. I never saw a car without them, but practices may vary - especially during our timeframe.

Jim Kubanick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 8:24:24 PM EST, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s.  The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos."  I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back.  Neat stuff even now!  The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011).  This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER.

Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car.

Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

James E Kubanick
 

When I lived out East during the 1980's there was a small water treatment plant in Lansdale PA that still received these cars. I believe that the cars were returned with empty canisters aboard. I never saw a car without them, but practices may vary - especially during our timeframe.

Jim Kubanick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 8:24:24 PM EST, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s.  The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos."  I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back.  Neat stuff even now!  The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011).  This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER.

Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car.

Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 07:23:11 PM EST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


I have one of those.  (It's not here right now.)  I don't recall the 'cannisters' being that heavy, but I generally ran the car empty because it looked better that way.  I think they were just called 'one-ton containers'.  Googling that produces an article in the AWWA Journal from 1927, so the containers go back at least that far.  They were definitely still in use past the end of this list.

The aluminum model ones were a little too roundy at the ends for my taste, but the bulge in the heads is pretty accurate.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks for the input guys! I think this may be a long research project....


Elden Gatwood

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FIVE Hershey's chocolate box cars, wow!



On 2/19/2020 7:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:


Folks;

Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report?

I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed.

I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Elden Gatwood

Attachments:
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Sudan. PA

mopacfirst
 

The topic of the P&WV derailment got me to look up Sudan, PA.  I didn't get as far as trying to track down the location of this siding because the first thing I saw on the Google map was Narrow Gauge Road.  It goes under the railroad bridge that spans Pigeon Creek, at the bridge's south end.  At the bridge's north end, incidentally, is Cracker Jack Road.  Anyone familiar enough with the area to comment?

Surely this has something to do with freight cars.....

Ron Merrick


Re: Help with freight car list

Tim O'Connor
 


FIVE Hershey's chocolate box cars, wow!



On 2/19/2020 7:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Folks;

Without my ORERs, I am lost.  Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report?

I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed.

I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those.   A very interesting group of cars!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Elden Gatwood

Attachments:
PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/170027/0

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Northern Pacific Railway Equipment Rosters

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

If you are interested in NP Freight Cars the NPRHA has in it's collection the NP Equipment Ledgers.

These were used to keep track of equipment numbers, this set starts in the 1920s and goes to the 1980s (past the BN merger).

They include ALL rolling stock, Freight, Passenger, Locomotives, Cabooses, Work Equipment, etc.

They have been scanned and are on the NPRHA website:

http://www.nprha.org/Equipment/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2FEquipment%2FNumerical%20Registers&FolderCTID=0x012000AE06538EF97BDB49AD7B7DE80BC02CA7

-Hudson