I just posted 2 files in the file section in a folder called PMcK&Y-
P&LE reblt USRA boxcars.

1) The NYC diagram book pages for these cars, dated 12-31-1938, which
shows them all as marked for the PMcK&Y.
83400-83499, Lot 630-B were rebuilt in 1935.
83500-83891, Lot 638-B were rebuilt in 1936-1937.

2) ORER listings starting with the April 1938 issue which show that
most of them were remarked for the P&LE soon after they were rebuilt.

Additional ORER information and or photos from 1935 to 1937 would be
interesting.

Regarding the Tichy kit, the few photos that I have all show vertical
staff hand brakes. Based on model photos, I believe that a power hand
brake included in the kit.

According to the P&LE 1964 Annual Report the PMcK&Y continued as a
legal entity until April 1964 when it was absorbed into the P&LE.

There were still 577 PMcK&Y cars listed in the January 1959 ORER.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Rats! I guess I will have to reletter my Tichy box car. Were any
of the rebuilt cars (as represented by the Tichy model) relettered
and renumbered for P&LE? And if so, in what series?

Tim O'Connor

Rich Orr wrote:
>Just happen to have an April 1952 ORER laying here on the desk. P&LE
still
>lists 3270 cars with PMcKY reporting marks. Of the 1500 original
53000 -
>54499 number series 1470 remain lettered for PMcKY. This is the
largest group
>of cars remaining in these reporting marks. The break down by car
type is 1
>XM 36' boxcar, 1496 HT hoppers, 184 HM hoppers, 1586 GB gons

Tony Thompson wrote:
Hadn't the PMcKY been absorbed by P&LE more than ten years
earlier? But there are other examples of "P-Mickey" (as it's called)
cars keeping their old lettering for YEARS after it was officially
obsolete. That wasn't always true of absorbed railroads, of course.

Railroadin' is on disk one, I don't know what Choo Choo is but just
ordered disks one and three from Netflix to find out.

Larry Castle - Seattle

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Netflix has a "The Little Rascals, the complete series" eight disk

set, which doesn't include this

title, but does include a title "Choo Choo" on the third disk.

Does anybody know if "Choo Choo" is

a retitling of "The Little Rascals in Railroadin' "?

SGL

A friend sent me a copy of The Little Rascals in Railroadin', a

shrt circa 1930 with the kids

inadvertantly starting an

ATSF loco and their adventures. Plenty of steam, lots of

trackage, some freight. Worth a watch. -

Al Westerfield

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Bill--

This is good to know. I'll order some at my LHS.

Thanks,

Steve Lucas.

Al and Bill,

That's the old address, but mail sent there should get forwarded.

I'll send you guys the new address off list.

Regards,

-Jeff


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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:57 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Looking for Frank Peacock


Bill - Frank's address: 5741 Osuna Road N.E., Apt. 811, Albuquerque, MN87109-2571 - Al
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for Frank Peacock

I am trying to locate Frank Peacock, who recently moved from
Albuquerque, NM. Frank is known by many of us who love freight cars.
Phone or mailing address would be appreciated if anyone knows.

Bill Welch
bwelch@...<mailto:bwelch%40uucf.org>

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Any "patched" car shots? Did they do that back then?

Tim O'

On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Rats! I guess I will have to reletter my Tichy box car. Were any
of the rebuilt cars (as represented by the Tichy model) relettered
and renumbered for P&LE? And if so, in what series?

Tim: Sorry I can't give you a proper date but Ted Cullota did a piece
in his Essential Freight Car series in RMC a few years back on USRA SS
boxcars and he included a rebuilt P&LE Tichy car that he modified with
a new Red Caboose roof. His excellent new NYC decal set includes the
necessary lettering.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto

Bill - Frank's address: 5741 Osuna Road N.E., Apt. 811, Albuquerque, MN87109-2571 - Al

I am trying to locate Frank Peacock, who recently moved from
Albuquerque, NM. Frank is known by many of us who love freight cars.
Phone or mailing address would be appreciated if anyone knows.

Bill Welch
bwelch@...

Steve Lucas wrote:

I've used a few methods over the years to model oily wheel faces on
STMFC's fitted with plain bearing trucks. The first was the old
modeller's standby, Floquil Grimy Black. I then used Polly-S Oily
Black. This I was most satisfied with, when Floquil discontinued this
colour. If only they'd bring it back!!!!

Still shows as available both at Walthers and on the Testors web site.

Bill Dixon

Netflix has a "The Little Rascals, the complete series" eight disk set, which doesn't include this
title, but does include a title "Choo Choo" on the third disk. Does anybody know if "Choo Choo" is
a retitling of "The Little Rascals in Railroadin' "?

SGL

A friend sent me a copy of The Little Rascals in Railroadin', a shrt circa 1930 with the kids

inadvertantly starting an

ATSF loco and their adventures. Plenty of steam, lots of trackage, some freight. Worth a watch. -

Al Westerfield

For any of you in the Seattle area, the NMRA division has this in their video library. I have a copy and highly recommend it. Lots of freight cars in the back ground.

CJ Riley

Chuck, I read "in our timeframe" as meaning in the timeframe of this list . . . .

SGL

Might we remark that this is the STEAM era freight car list?
Steam locomotives tend to shed oil and grease outside the rail so not
all that roadbed staining is due to solid bearings on the cars.
Some got flung off side rods.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...>

wrote:

If you look at photos of mainline track in our timeframe, you'll see
that the rails are often oily black to the outside of the track, and
rusty on the inside. This was a result of oil sprayed off wheelsets.
And yes, this oil had leaked from plain bearing journal boxes.

Steve Lucas.

Pure suppositon, but Southern loaded some coke in open hoppers which
could have been sent to the eastern Pa. area to a foundry or steel
mill and then were reloaded and sent into New England from there
rather than returned home.

George Courtney

On Sat, February 7, 2009 8:15 am, A. Premo wrote:

Well,maybe not so obscure,but seeing an IC stock car,a

Southern and

CBQ
hopper in northern New England left me scratching my

head .Armand Premo

Armand,

The hoppers are a puzzle someone else might address, but coming

up with a

plausible story for the stock car is relatively easy. Clearly,

it came

from the west, most likely the Chicago area. I don't know how

much

finished beef ended up being shipped for slaughter to New

England from

Chicago but that is definitely one possibility. Large amounts

certainly

traveled as far as New York. This car would simply have been an

available

empty at the point of loading. Headed in the "wrong direction"

according

to car service rules, but hey, they needed an empty (and we all

know by

now that car service rules were often ignored at the local

level)!

Another option would be the transfer of breeding cattle (most

likely

dairy) from a location on the IC to the location in New

England. After

all, it is doubtful that the IC had an empty Rutland car on hand

to load

<VBG>.


Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



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5:28 PM

Might we remark that this is the STEAM era freight car list?
Steam locomotives tend to shed oil and grease outside the rail so not
all that roadbed staining is due to solid bearings on the cars.
Some got flung off side rods.
Chuck Peck

Any "patched" car shots? Did they do that back then?

Tim O'

On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Rats! I guess I will have to reletter my Tichy box car. Were any
of the rebuilt cars (as represented by the Tichy model) relettered
and renumbered for P&LE? And if so, in what series?

Yes, I have photos and will send you a scan or two when I have time.

Richard Hendrickson

The Rutland stopped sending its hoppers to the mines in the mid thirties.At least one was wrecked on the CNW or IC.Armand Premo