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Re: Sunshine Models at Timonum

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Charlie:



Maybe you should suggest to Martin to return to his West Coast swing, we
don't have the snow problems out here like the East Coast.



Paul C. Koehler



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charles slater
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:48 AM
To: STMFC List
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine Models at Timonum






Well Martin called me this morning and he is snowed in at Wytheville, Va.
off I-81 and doesn't think they will be able to go any further. He says
there is over a foot of snow on the ground already with more comming and has
no idea when they will be able to get out of there.

Charlie Slater

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Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

Richard Townsend
 

I tried to interest Benn Coifman at Railfonts in it several years ago, and sent him photos showing all the letter variations I was aware of, but it appears he is not interested in doing the font. Maybe if there was a groundswell of interest from modelers he might do it .....


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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From: William Bryk <wmbryk@gmail.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 7:55 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions


Parenthetically, does anyone make software for the Optic font?
Regards,
illiam Bryk


Re: Sunshine Models at Timonum

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Martin seems to have had a lot of problems traveling east in recent months...

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


Well Martin called me this morning and he is snowed in at Wytheville, Va. off I-81 and doesn't think they will be able to go any further. He says there is over a foot of snow on the ground already with more comming and has no idea when they will be able to get out of there.

Charlie Slater


Sunshine Models at Timonum

charles slater
 

Well Martin called me this morning and he is snowed in at Wytheville, Va. off I-81 and doesn't think they will be able to go any further. He says there is over a foot of snow on the ground already with more comming and has no idea when they will be able to get out of there.

Charlie Slater

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Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
 

Parenthetically, does anyone make software for the Optic font?

Regards,
William Bryk

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, railsnw1 <railsnw@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



Thanks Steve. What I'm trying to find is cars in the original Optic
lettering style and a clear view of the end lettering.

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Sandifer"
<steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

I have posted some photos on Flicker
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssandifer/sets/72157623229655027/
This is a steel car, built in 49, last weighed in 67, good daylight.
I hope it helps
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: railsnw1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:25 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions



Couple questions on FGE and WFE cars. First off in looking at photos and
other sources it appears that at least through the 1950's the end color on
the FGE/WFE cars was a brown. The cars at the Calif. State RR Mueum and the
Pennesylvania RR Museum both have a really brown color. In other photos from
the 60's it looks like the color became more red then brown. Does anyone
(Bill Welch?) have any comments on this?

Second, I'm looking for a sharp, straight on end view photograph of
FGE/WFE steel cars from the 1950's, in particular cars from the WHIX and
FHIX series. I'm trying to work up some lettering and the only photo I have
is a 3/4 view.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens





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GN Tankcars in Shop

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Nice, probably staged, view of GN car shop with two GN tankcars, NP box, and ACL box.

http://tinyurl.com/yabns6q

Richard Wilkens


Re: New page on Sunshine kits website

Dennis Williams
 

Thanks, Jim.   Keep up the good work.
  Dennis
Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@gmail.com>
Subject: [STMFC] New page on Sunshine kits website
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 8:56 PM


 



I've added a new page called MINIKITS to my Sunshine kits website. It
contains links to the PDS/instruction sheets for all the MiniKits I have. If
you can fill in any of the missing ones, I'd appreciate a scanned copy.

I've also updated the MEETS page with what info I have on Sunshine's
possible appearance at train shows. I don't get notified of anything
regional except maybe California, so if you can help me here with a scan of
announcements you receive, I'll add them to the MEETS page.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits. com

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Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Thanks Steve. What I'm trying to find is cars in the original Optic lettering style and a clear view of the end lettering.

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

I have posted some photos on Flicker
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssandifer/sets/72157623229655027/
This is a steel car, built in 49, last weighed in 67, good daylight.
I hope it helps
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: railsnw1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:25 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions



Couple questions on FGE and WFE cars. First off in looking at photos and other sources it appears that at least through the 1950's the end color on the FGE/WFE cars was a brown. The cars at the Calif. State RR Mueum and the Pennesylvania RR Museum both have a really brown color. In other photos from the 60's it looks like the color became more red then brown. Does anyone (Bill Welch?) have any comments on this?

Second, I'm looking for a sharp, straight on end view photograph of FGE/WFE steel cars from the 1950's, in particular cars from the WHIX and FHIX series. I'm trying to work up some lettering and the only photo I have is a 3/4 view.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens







New page on Sunshine kits website

Jim Hayes
 

I've added a new page called MINIKITS to my Sunshine kits website. It
contains links to the PDS/instruction sheets for all the MiniKits I have. If
you can fill in any of the missing ones, I'd appreciate a scanned copy.

I've also updated the MEETS page with what info I have on Sunshine's
possible appearance at train shows. I don't get notified of anything
regional except maybe California, so if you can help me here with a scan of
announcements you receive, I'll add them to the MEETS page.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: NYC auto car,1952 era

Brian Carlson
 

Carl and Robert, Be careful here, the original P2k automobile box cars came
in the as built scheme with a black background in the NYC oval. This was in
use until early 1944. Starting in march of 1944 the black background was
removed. These cars were built in 1939 or 1941 (if I recall correctly) so
by 1952 many would have been repainted. Some railroads also removed the
"Automobiles" lettering from the sides of the cars post war, but I am not
sure about the NYC. I don't think P2k did the later scheme without the black
background or the 1955-1959 gothic scheme. if they did I'd like to know.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Robert Bogie
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:03 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC auto car,1952 era





Carl,

The 50' double door automobile box car from Proto 2000 would be fine for
your purpose. They were released as kits and ready to run with 6 road
numbers each when originally released. The original NYC releases were
painted box car red which will suit the 1952 era. Other later releases from
Proto, were painted in Century green, which would not be appropriate for
1952.

Robert Bogie


Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have posted some photos on Flicker
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssandifer/sets/72157623229655027/
This is a steel car, built in 49, last weighed in 67, good daylight.
I hope it helps
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: railsnw1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:25 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions



Couple questions on FGE and WFE cars. First off in looking at photos and other sources it appears that at least through the 1950's the end color on the FGE/WFE cars was a brown. The cars at the Calif. State RR Mueum and the Pennesylvania RR Museum both have a really brown color. In other photos from the 60's it looks like the color became more red then brown. Does anyone (Bill Welch?) have any comments on this?

Second, I'm looking for a sharp, straight on end view photograph of FGE/WFE steel cars from the 1950's, in particular cars from the WHIX and FHIX series. I'm trying to work up some lettering and the only photo I have is a 3/4 view.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens


Re: Western Union Telegraph Company work cars - roster?

MOFWCABOOSE@...
 

Good. Didn't know the Wabash had any ex- Western Union cars. That's three more for the roster.

Most Western Union tool cars and material cars followed the 50-foot pattern. The earliest ones had truss rods and open end platforms. Many later ones had fishbelly center sills, like the Ambroid kit, and some had fishbelly side sills. They rode on a variety of trucks, though Andrews seem to have been the most common.

One thing all the later cars had was an end door in one end only, with a passenger-style diaphragm permitting easy access from the living cars.

There was also a group of 40-foot double sheathed boxcars with no windows or end doors, which were in the early part of the 7000 series. Their underframes were built up from steel channel.

I'm betting that there were other, less common types of rolling stock that are unknown because no pictures have surfaced of them. Until someone finds a roster, pictures and railroad records are the only sources of information.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: cef39us <cfrench@gallatinriver.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 5:24 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Western Union Telegraph Company work cars - roster?






--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MOFWCABOOSE@... wrote:


As far as I know, no comprehensive roster of WUTX (their reporting mark) cars has ever been published anywhere. The cars were maintained at a small shop in Chattanooga, TN, and if I were to make a search for one, I would start at the public library there.

Last year I compiled a roster based on known photographs and roster evidence from several railroads that purchased used Western Union cars. From this roster, I determined that:

Foreman & bunk cars were numbered 1141-1538
Kitchen & dining cars were numbered 2029-2526
Tool cars were numbered 3052-3558
Water cars were numbered 4349-4533
Material cars were numbered 7022-7559

Keep in mind that these are the currently known limits of the number series. The number groups almost certainly were larger then these examples. And there may have been other types of cars, such as flat cars, that fall outside these series.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
In July 1947, the Wabash purchased three cars from Western Union for
use in maintenance of way service.

WUTX 3555 tool car re # WAB 3937
WUTX 2483 Dining car WAB 4297
WUTX 1241 Sleeper WAB 4316

I have a photo of the 3937 and it resembles the car that
Ambroid produced.

Chet French
Dixon, IL







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Re: More Magazine back issues questions

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Bill--July 2005: early 20th century

May 2006: One page article by Ed Bley using the Westerfield kit. One 1913 prototype photo and one photo of Ed's very nice model lettered for 40's/50's.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I also missed many issues of RailModel Journal issues due to inconsistent hobby shop deliveries and have some questions about missed articles.

The March 2007 issue of RMJ had an article entitled something like "Freight Cars of the 50's: New York Central." Can someone tell me what NYC cars were the focus of this article?

The July 2005 issue of RMJ had an article that focused on truss rod cars using styrene and a couple wood kit companies. Where the subjects mostly very early 20th Century cars or did some have extended lives into the 1940's?

The June 2007 issue of RMJ has an article on early ART steel reefers. Is this about the InterMountain styrene kit and its prototype?

The May 2006 issue of RMJ has an article on the PRR X23. I assume this is using the old Cannonball Car Shops parts as RMJ never did anything on resin kits. Am I correct? Are there good photos of the prototype?

The February 2008 issue of RMJ has an article on detailing the deck of a Walthers bulkhead flat. I assume this their kit of the Commonwealth cast flat car with separately applied deck and bulkheads that is good for our era. Am I correct about this and what road is being modeled?

Through the years I have tried to make sure I have gotten magazine articles on freight cars and since I am putting together an order to Railpub, I thought I would try to get everything I want at one time.

Thanks in advance!

Bill Welch


***CANCELLED*** Model Railroad Open House-February 6, 2010 *** CANCELLED

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

All,

The Baltimore area is forecast to receive 18-24 inches of snow beginning sometime Friday and lasting most of the day Saturday.  This will make travel for all dangerous as blizzard conditions with high winds are forecast as well.

Under the circumstances, I have decided to cancel my open house for Saturday evening, February 6.  The latest information available about the Timonium Show indicates it will still be held.

Please pass the word along that I will not be open Saturday evening.  Hopefully, the weather will be cooperative next year!

Best wishes and safe traveling to all.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

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Re: Western Union Telegraph Company work cars - roster?

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MOFWCABOOSE@... wrote:


As far as I know, no comprehensive roster of WUTX (their reporting mark) cars has ever been published anywhere. The cars were maintained at a small shop in Chattanooga, TN, and if I were to make a search for one, I would start at the public library there.

Last year I compiled a roster based on known photographs and roster evidence from several railroads that purchased used Western Union cars. From this roster, I determined that:

Foreman & bunk cars were numbered 1141-1538
Kitchen & dining cars were numbered 2029-2526
Tool cars were numbered 3052-3558
Water cars were numbered 4349-4533
Material cars were numbered 7022-7559

Keep in mind that these are the currently known limits of the number series. The number groups almost certainly were larger then these examples. And there may have been other types of cars, such as flat cars, that fall outside these series.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


In July 1947, the Wabash purchased three cars from Western Union for
use in maintenance of way service.

WUTX 3555 tool car re # WAB 3937
WUTX 2483 Dining car WAB 4297
WUTX 1241 Sleeper WAB 4316

I have a photo of the 3937 and it resembles the car that
Ambroid produced.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Tarps

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

The tarp is one layer of facial tissue. I used "tacky" glue on the bottom where I folded the ends over. The stuff in tacky and I can't wait, so I ended up replacing the issue several times because I would touch it with a gluey fibger and it would tear a hole. I think if you would glue one fold, wait, then do another it would work better.
Clrak Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Clark, what is the tarp material? Did you put it on dry and then soak
it, or soak it first? Looks very realistic!

Tim O'Connor

At 2/4/2010 09:32 AM Thursday, you wrote:
I posted a tutorial in the photo section titled "Tangent gon" Hope this link works?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/510875323/pic/list

Clark Propst


Re: More Magazine back issues questions

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Welch writes:


The March 2007 issue of RMJ had an article entitled something like "Freight Cars of the 50's: New York Central." Can someone tell me what NYC cars were the focus of this article?
NYC steel sheathed box cars of the 1920's...by Richard Hendrickson

The June 2007 issue of RMJ has an article on early ART steel reefers. Is this about the InterMountain styrene kit and its prototype?
Yes. Article by Richard Hendrickson.

The May 2006 issue of RMJ has an article on the PRR X23. I assume this is using the old Cannonball Car Shops parts as RMJ never did anything on resin kits. Am I correct? Are there good photos of the prototype?
First, no. The article is based on the Westerfield kit 10053. It is, however, only one page but does have one prototype photo.

The February 2008 issue of RMJ has an article on detailing the deck of a Walthers bulkhead flat. I assume this their kit of the Commonwealth cast flat car with separately applied deck and bulkheads that is good for our era. Am I correct about this and what road is being modeled?
No. The car has a blt date of 9-73.

Through the years I have tried to make sure I have gotten magazine articles on freight cars and since I am putting together an order to Railpub, I thought I would try to get everything I want at one time.
BTW, really nice article in the March 2003 issue. Photos were a bit dark but my only real disappointment is that Aley missed my clever....

Mike Brock


Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

water.kresse@...
 

The FGE car at the Henry Ford Mus in Dearborn, Michigan, (I believe right behind the C&O 2-6-6-6 Alleghany) looked brown to me . . . . . . but that is with interior lighting.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@auburn.edu>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 4:48:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

Couple questions on FGE and WFE cars. First off in looking at  
photos and other sources it appears that at least through the  
1950's the end color on the FGE/WFE cars was a brown. The cars at  
the Calif. State RR Mueum and the Pennesylvania RR Museum both have  
a really brown color. In other photos from the 60's it looks like  
the color became more red then brown. Does anyone (Bill Welch?)  
have any comments on this?

Second, I'm looking for a sharp, straight on end view photograph of  
FGE/WFE steel cars from the 1950's, in particular cars from the  
WHIX and FHIX series. I'm trying to work up some lettering and the  
only photo I have is a 3/4 view.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens
Richard,

I'm fond of Poly Scale Mineral Red for the end and roof color.  It  
seems to match many of the photos.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

Bruce Smith
 

Couple questions on FGE and WFE cars. First off in looking at photos and other sources it appears that at least through the 1950's the end color on the FGE/WFE cars was a brown. The cars at the Calif. State RR Mueum and the Pennesylvania RR Museum both have a really brown color. In other photos from the 60's it looks like the color became more red then brown. Does anyone (Bill Welch?) have any comments on this?

Second, I'm looking for a sharp, straight on end view photograph of FGE/WFE steel cars from the 1950's, in particular cars from the WHIX and FHIX series. I'm trying to work up some lettering and the only photo I have is a 3/4 view.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens
Richard,

I'm fond of Poly Scale Mineral Red for the end and roof color. It seems to match many of the photos.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Fred,

I have that and it is an excellent resource. Problem is the interpretation of "FGEX Brown" runs from red to chocolate brown. I guess whatever looks right to yourself is what's important.

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote:

Richard,
 
               One of the first things you need to download is Bill Welch's excellent tome on FGEX family. It is on the PRR and the SAL Society websites. It is a long download with many pages of pix you can use.
 
Fred Freitas


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, railsnw1 <railsnw@...> wrote:


From: railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Questions
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:25 PM


 



Couple questions on FGE and WFE cars. First off in looking at photos and other sources it appears that at least through the 1950's the end color on the FGE/WFE cars was a brown. The cars at the Calif. State RR Mueum and the Pennesylvania RR Museum both have a really brown color. In other photos from the 60's it looks like the color became more red then brown. Does anyone (Bill Welch?) have any comments on this?

Second, I'm looking for a sharp, straight on end view photograph of FGE/WFE steel cars from the 1950's, in particular cars from the WHIX and FHIX series. I'm trying to work up some lettering and the only photo I have is a 3/4 view.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens









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