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Re: Southern LC "Boxcar" With Vent?

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 14, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

While digitizing my old negatives, I ran across this photo of Southern 50' PS-1 34242 shot in Charlottesville circa 1987. If I read George Elwood's Fallen Flags web site correctly this is not a boxcar at all, but a covered hopper (type LC, note the roof hatches). Photos on Elwood's site show these cars were often covered in some sort of white powder, which I suspect is kaolin.

According to Ed Hawkins' PS-1 article in RMJ 1995, there were no original Southern PS-1s with this number, so it must be a conversion / renumbering. These are not listed my October 1958 ORER. Can anyone comment on whether these cars were converted during our period of interest (as in 1961 or before)?

Also of interest is what appears to be a small end vent (see the partial view). I see this on other converted PS-1s on the Fallen Flags site. Is this indeed a vent, and to what purpose? 

Garth,
For those interested in the end vents, attached is a one-page PDF list of 50’ PS-1 box cars confirmed to have end vents when built by Pullman-Standard from 1956 to 1960. Southern's cars had 6 vents per end while L&N’s cars had 3 vents per end. The side panels denote the number to the left & right of the door. It’s certainly possible there were other built new with end vents, as well as cars modified with vents by the railroads. 

In the Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs, Volume II, Book I, page 100 has end drawing SF-20070 showing the arrangement with 6 vents that cover 1” diameter vent holes with center lines that follow the roof line. The vent covers are .10” pressed plate of various lengths in the general shape of vertical angles covered at the top & welded to the top end sheet. It’s my understanding the vents were for air flow desired in wood pulp service.

Thanks to George (Ike) Eichelberger & the SRHA for publishing two outstanding 40’ & 50’ box/auto car books to date. 

Please advise if you know of any other new 50’ PS-1 box cars with end vents and/or if the list contains any errors.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins







Re: Missouri-Illinois RR book plug

Jeffrey White
 

I've already got my reservation in. The M&I has a role on my Centralia, IL 1955 era layout.  I'm really looking forward to it.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 2/15/2020 8:09 AM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
I’m hoping these will be printed before the RPM in Collinsville and we’ll have them available at the Missouri Pacific Historical Society tables but providing a reservation helps decide on the number to print. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


MV Lenses offered for sale

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have 53 new MV Products lenses I am offering as a single lot for sale. Also included are 6 opened partials.

Buy all 59 packages for $110, shipping included to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (please) for details at <midcentury@...>

I have the following numberings:
LS 18  (1)*
LS 19
LS 22  (5) *
LS 24  **
LS 25 (1) *
LS 25 (3)
LS 110 (2)
LS 117 (2)
LS 129
LS 137 (2)
LS 150
LS 160 (2)
LS 200 (2)
LS 220
LS 221 (*)
LS 222
LS 300 (4)
LS 301 (2)q
LS 500
LS 700 (16)
LS 701
LS 702 (4)

Quantities are in ( ), * indicates an open package with some missing lenses

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: ATSF Automobile cars/door color

Jon Miller
 

On 2/15/2020 8:35 AM, ottokroutil via Groups.Io wrote:
 the train in the fuzzy frame was pulled by ATSF power and had an ATSF waycar, obviously on home rails.

    Did I miss the date of the picture or was it given?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: ATSF Automobile cars/door color

ottokroutil
 

Ah, that would explain the door color and lettering, mystery solved. Thank you Al, for providing great information about the cars. That’s why I enjoy this group.
For what it’s worth, the train in the fuzzy frame was pulled by ATSF power and had an ATSF waycar, obviously on home rails.


Re: GN 50' SS boxcar

Larry Buell
 

Really nice work.


Re: MV Products Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, I checked the web site, and that’s what prompted my question after Caboose Hobbies and Walthers said out of stock, no resupply information available.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MV Products Question

 

On 2/14/2020 9:01 PM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:

  See: http://www.mvproducts.com/Model-Lenses.html.  The also show a phone number of: (949) 427-7913, and the website has a “Contact” page.

    Looked at it and this came up;

Things to do; update website

        and

check back soon...

www.mvproducts.com

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Missouri-Illinois RR book plug

ken chapin
 


What will the price be.
--
Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On 2/15/20, 9:09 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
I’m hoping these will be printed before the RPM in Collinsville and we’ll have them available at the Missouri Pacific Historical Society tables but providing a reservation helps decide on the number to print. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Missouri-Illinois RR book plug

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’m hoping these will be printed before the RPM in Collinsville and we’ll have them available at the Missouri Pacific Historical Society tables but providing a reservation helps decide on the number to print. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


update from Yarmouth Model Works

Pierre Oliver
 

https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2020/02/a-sneak-peak-for-you.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: MV Products Question

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Jon,
 
Interesting.  I hadn’t checked the “Home” page before.  Now I have, and I must admit that it doesn’t look good despite the 2020 copyright date.
 
It would be yet another unfortunate loss if they too are no longer in business as I really liked their lenses.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Jon Miller
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 1:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MV Products Question
 
On 2/14/2020 9:01 PM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
  See: http://www.mvproducts.com/Model-Lenses.html.  The also show a phone number of: (949) 427-7913, and the website has a “Contact” page.

    Looked at it and this came up;

Things to do; update website

        and

check back soon...

www.mvproducts.com

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: MV Products Question

Jon Miller
 

On 2/14/2020 9:01 PM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
  See: http://www.mvproducts.com/Model-Lenses.html.  The also show a phone number of: (949) 427-7913, and the website has a “Contact” page.

    Looked at it and this came up;

Things to do; update website

        and

check back soon...

www.mvproducts.com

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: MV Products Question

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Nelson,
 
MV Products still has a website, and it has a 2020 copyright date!  See: http://www.mvproducts.com/Model-Lenses.html.  The also show a phone number of: (949) 427-7913, and the website has a “Contact” page.
 
I hope that helps and would appreciate knowing whether you have any success.
 
Pax.
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Nelson Moyer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:37 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] MV Products Question
 

Is MV Products still in business? I tried a couple of usually reliable sources, but both list backorder with no restock information available. I need four #220 red lenses for my NE-10 waycar project.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: MV Products Question

Jon Miller
 

On 2/14/2020 7:37 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
Is MV Products still in business?

    I hunted a few months ago.  I believe they have been out of business for some time.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


MV Products Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Is MV Products still in business? I tried a couple of usually reliable sources, but both list backorder with no restock information available. I need four #220 red lenses for my NE-10 waycar project.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: ATSF Automobile cars/door color

Allan Smith
 

Santa Fe autoboxcar with black doors.  on Page 45 of Furniture and Automobile Box Cars is a photo of 65956 Fe-S. The photo caption reads In 1938-1940 the Santa Fe leased about half of the Fe-S class auto cars to the New York Central, where many of them were equipped for auto parts loading. This 1939 photo shows one of these cars with new reporting marks and weight stenciling  ( but original numbers) and the Santa Fe lettering in the heralds painted out. The stenciling beside the door reads Auto Bodies- When empty Return to M. C. Michigan Central RR Detroit Michigan
It looks like the car in your photo still has the Santa FE markings. At any rate the Fe-S class cars were all rebuilt (except 35 cars) in 1940-1941 into Fe-21, Fe-22 and Fe-23 cars.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Friday, February 14, 2020, 07:25:01 AM PST, ottokroutil via Groups.Io <otask@...> wrote:







Re: GN 50' SS boxcar

James E Kubanick
 

Rich,

I. too, would like to express my appreciation for your fine work on this car. I do like those single sheathed cars.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Friday, February 14, 2020, 6:41:32 PM EST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


Fine build Rich.   Hope to see it among the models you bring for display at the Modelers Retreat.

Lester Breuer


Re: reefer MDT 13755 on display at the Fulton County Museum

mopacfirst
 

You're talking about the mechanical fan drive, right?  Most other major refrigerator lines located it on the left-hand truck on the side of the car as you stood facing the side with the fan drive.  My MDT book is not here any more, so I can't look it up.  The ART book, which is still here, says these fan drives were usually located at the A end of the car, which is true here.  It's just on the opposite side of the car from many of the others.

Ron Merrick


Re: GA box car colors

Bill Welch
 

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 06:41 PM, George Courtney wrote:
Where any of the butt welded cars know to be painted BCR?

George Courtney
I do not remember if any of the cars w/welded roofs were painted BCR, I need to look at the photos I have.

Bill Welch


Re: GA box car colors

George Courtney
 

Where any of the butt welded cars know to be painted BCR?

George Courtney