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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&WV box cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Bill!  I have one of those kits, but have not finished it.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&WV box cars

 

Oneof these cars was covered in one of Ted's Essential Freight Cars series and he also offered a kit for the car.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

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From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>

Date: 9/15/20 4:34 AM (GMT-10:00)

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] P&WV box cars

 

Elden,

 

I'm not into the P&WV, but do you have Greg Martin's September 1993 MM article on modeling their boxcars? If you need a copy, please meet me off group.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:01 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Group;

 

I really want to engage with people that are kmowlegeable about the P&WV’s freight car fleet.  Please reply.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&WV box cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Garth!  I do have that article, and talked with Greg several times over a number of years, on P&WV freight cars.

 

I am preparing a PowerPoint covering their fleet, and am surprised at how little they are discussed.

 

I have built a Beth 52’ gon with container load, plus an early PS-1, using Jack Consoli’s excellent decals, plus a Sunshine 46’ gon, all of which I love, but the remainder I need are slow-going.  Not a lot of info out there.

 

Thanks again!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&WV box cars

 

Elden,

 

I'm not into the P&WV, but do you have Greg Martin's September 1993 MM article on modeling their boxcars? If you need a copy, please meet me off group.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:01 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Group;

 

I really want to engage with people that are kmowlegeable about the P&WV’s freight car fleet.  Please reply.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: RPCyc 35

James Brewer
 

I will second what everyone else has said; the drawings and photos, especially of cars that have been in service, are fantastic; but don't drop the book on your foot! It weighs over 3 pounds!

Jim Brewer


Re: B&M pulpwood cars sold to West Virginia Pulp & Paper cars?

akerboomk
 

If it helps, I found another 9 cars sold to them in Jul, 1949

Ken


--
Ken Akerboom


NYC 751000 series 50 foot gondolas

Jerry Hamsmith
 

As the new RCW kit for these cars are now being shipped, I was wondering if anyone had additional photos of the cars.  The RCW site has three builder's photos of the cars when they were in the 324000 series.  There is also one photo of the car (#751478) after the drop doors were removed from the cars during World War II in a refurbishing effort.  The cars so modified were place into the 751000 series and these are the cars the kit covers.
I have looked for additional photos of the cars but so far have been unable to find any.  I do have the diagram sheet from the NYC site but was unable to find additional photos there.  Thanks in advance for looking.

Jerry Hamsmith


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Andy,

Out of curiosity, I went to Google maps and looked for the C. Reiss plant. No such luck, though the building may still exist. A street address would help. However, a closed C. Reiss "coal field" shows across the St. Louis River in West Duluth near the intersection of Waseca Industrial Road and Leisure Street. This location is also listed for C. Reiss Coal Co. as a firewood dealer, but either way this area appears to have been cleared for redevelopment.

C. Reiss still has a coal loading operation in Green Bay. Google Maps also delivers two listings for C. Reiss Coal Co. in various other cities that are marked "attorney", which sounds very odd to me.

Sometimes I just want to throw up my hands and scream when trying to find something specific on Google Maps.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:50 AM Andy Laurent via groups.io <andy.laurent=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:23 PM, np328 wrote:
   The C Reiss briquette plant was (may still be) in Superior, WI along Winter Street, not far from where the NP's grassy Point bridge was/is.
                                                                                                                           Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 
C Reiss also had a coal briquette plant in Green Bay on the Milwaukee Road at the southwest corner of State and 7th Streets (near their large 2-gantry coal yard on the Fox River).  It was operated seasonally into the 1960s at least (evidenced by waybilled shipments to a foundry in Algoma, WI on the A&W Rwy).

Andy Laurent
Madison, WI


Re: RPCyc 35

O Fenton Wells
 

Just got mine and it is VERY complete.  Excellent
Fenton

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 9:44 PM william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:
I have not seen this new issue mentioned on the list, unless I completely missed it, but I received my copy of RPCyc 35 today.  It is everything you wanted to know about the 1937 boxcar including 180 pages of diagrams covering everything from brakes to underframes to roofs and has 200 pages of photos of all the roads that owned these cars with a complete roster.  It is offered by Rons Books and has the same look and feel of the previous 34 volumes.

Bill Darnaby




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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Andy Laurent
 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:23 PM, np328 wrote:
   The C Reiss briquette plant was (may still be) in Superior, WI along Winter Street, not far from where the NP's grassy Point bridge was/is.
                                                                                                                           Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 
C Reiss also had a coal briquette plant in Green Bay on the Milwaukee Road at the southwest corner of State and 7th Streets (near their large 2-gantry coal yard on the Fox River).  It was operated seasonally into the 1960s at least (evidenced by waybilled shipments to a foundry in Algoma, WI on the A&W Rwy).

Andy Laurent
Madison, WI


Re: RPCyc 35

John Barry
 

Bill,

I second that emotion!  The work is encyclopedic.  Thank you Pat Wider!

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 09:44:08 PM EDT, william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:


I have not seen this new issue mentioned on the list, unless I completely missed it, but I received my copy of RPCyc 35 today.  It is everything you wanted to know about the 1937 boxcar including 180 pages of diagrams covering everything from brakes to underframes to roofs and has 200 pages of photos of all the roads that owned these cars with a complete roster.  It is offered by Rons Books and has the same look and feel of the previous 34 volumes.

Bill Darnaby



Re: RPCyc 35

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The same look and feel . . . except of course that it’s 385 pages.  A very hefty volume indeed.  The photos include variations over time of paint schemes and also some exotica , such as the C&O waffle-end version.  A very worthwhile addition to our libraries.

 

BTW, the “peanuts” that Ron’s Books uses are biodegradable.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of william darnaby
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] RPCyc 35

 

I have not seen this new issue mentioned on the list, unless I completely missed it, but I received my copy of RPCyc 35 today.  It is everything you wanted to know about the 1937 boxcar including 180 pages of diagrams covering everything from brakes to underframes to roofs and has 200 pages of photos of all the roads that owned these cars with a complete roster.  It is offered by Rons Books and has the same look and feel of the previous 34 volumes.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

 


RPCyc 35

william darnaby
 

I have not seen this new issue mentioned on the list, unless I completely missed it, but I received my copy of RPCyc 35 today.  It is everything you wanted to know about the 1937 boxcar including 180 pages of diagrams covering everything from brakes to underframes to roofs and has 200 pages of photos of all the roads that owned these cars with a complete roster.  It is offered by Rons Books and has the same look and feel of the previous 34 volumes.

Bill Darnaby



B&M pulpwood cars sold to West Virginia Pulp & Paper cars?

akerboomk
 

in 1945 (13 cars) and 1947 (7 cars) (best as I can determine right now) the B&M sold some pulpwood racks to the West Virginia Pulp & Paper co.  (later Westvaco)
Do these show up in any ORERs of the period?  Are there reporting marks/car numbers?
I know by my 1953 ORER reprint they were not listed (at least not under Westvaco)

Data on the cars (on the B&M) here:
     https://www.bmrrhs.org/misc_29000_series/
Photo of one of the cars in Flickr:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/17233111145/

--
Ken Akerboom


Re: P&WV box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

What era? Teens? Twenties? Thirties?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Group;

 

I really want to engage with people that are kmowlegeable about the P&WV’s freight car fleet.  Please reply.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: P&WV box cars

Brian Shumaker
 

I’ve been a PWV fan for years but lack of available locos kept me at bay. I like their black boxcars.

Brian


Re: P&WV box cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Oneof these cars was covered in one of Ted's Essential Freight Cars series and he also offered a kit for the car.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Date: 9/15/20 4:34 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] P&WV box cars

Elden,

I'm not into the P&WV, but do you have Greg Martin's September 1993 MM article on modeling their boxcars? If you need a copy, please meet me off group.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:01 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Group;

 

I really want to engage with people that are kmowlegeable about the P&WV’s freight car fleet.  Please reply.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Tichy's USRA SS Rebuilt P&LE ~ PMcKY 40 foot box

Clark Propst
 

I'm pretty sure there's PL&E lettering for that car in Ted's NYC box car set. At least that's what I used...He also makes/made the correct door.
Clark Propst


Re: P&WV box cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Elden,

I'm not into the P&WV, but do you have Greg Martin's September 1993 MM article on modeling their boxcars? If you need a copy, please meet me off group.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:01 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Group;

 

I really want to engage with people that are kmowlegeable about the P&WV’s freight car fleet.  Please reply.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


P&WV box cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

I really want to engage with people that are kmowlegeable about the P&WV’s freight car fleet.  Please reply.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Mont Switzer
 

Dennis,

 

Yes, charcoal briquettes.  My the way, the coal in bags dispensed from Consumers Coal and Ice were coal briquettes also.  Not sure if that was the term used for this type of coal, though.

 

Thanks for jogging my memory.  Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 12:27 PM, Mont Switzer wrote:

I wonder if some of the "lake coal" was used to make charcoal.  Lots of that moved (and probably still does) from MN in paper bags for consumer use in small patio grills.

Mont,
Do you by chance mean 'briquettes'? Charcoal is carbonized wood, not coal. I can't even begin to imagine the taste of prime steaks grilled over... soft coal. Yuck!

As to coal briquettes, yes, C. Reiss or somebody had a briquette plant in the twin ports. All the trans loading to get the coal from mine to port, on the boat and off the boat again made a lot of fines, and this was a way to reclaim those fines.

Interesting side story, the first time I saw the Laona & Northern steam train as a kid, the tender had a full load of what looked for all the world like barbecue charcoal. The give-away was the size, coal briquettes are about 2-1/2 inches square, at least these were.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

np328
 

   The C Reiss briquette plant was (may still be) in Superior, WI along Winter Street, not far from where the NP's grassy Point bridge was/is.

     Coal transloading was not big in the ports, it was huge. See post 65477 and of that post, it was just the NPs orders. The GN, Omaha, SOO could all have been making the same orders with the DW&P a real question mark.  And the domestic market would have been another matter. Lake coal out of the ports was the single biggest determinant in NP gondola purchasing determinants in an internal 1930 study and again in 1939 when the report was revisited. This for a railroad that shipped much of it's on-line lignite across its system for locomotive fuel.  
 I've wrote some prior on this lake coal in post 55859. 

I gave presentations about coal distribution at the end of the lakes in 2005 at the old HI in Naperville and elsewhere.

Concerning coal and grain loading in the same boxcar. We may have a paradox here. Just as hide service is where boxcars go to die, so is loading coal into boxcars, even bagged. Only boxcars classed as "rough" are used at least for my researched railroad. 

       I am open to enlightenment with solid data, however the only time I ever read of grain and coal being loaded to the same car war in the USRA time frame when a clerk in North Dakota wrote a letter with USRA letterhead to a regional office on how he got a load of coal from the Twin Ports and then had the car swept out and sent back with a load of grain so I honestly do not believe the practice was that common.  
       Please remember even grain not yet milled is checked for inspected for contamination https://www.namamillers.org/education/wheat-milling-process/  

As stated above, I gave presentations in 05 and I have been tapped to give these presentations (updated) again whenever the next St. Louis gathering is. I would offer these to Mike Skibbe and crew also. Whenever it is safe again.                                                                                                                             Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 

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