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Re: UTLX 96720

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim, UTLX 96720 is from series 87658-99999, 11,251 gallons, type TPI. I'm not really familiar with the Kadee model's pedigree, as these are a bit outside my interest.

Hope this of use.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

So is this UTLX tank car an ACF product? Does it match the Kadee model?

And check the roof on the lumber box car - Evidently a Milwaukee rib side car. :-)


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Mystery Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I agree, almost certainly these are gons with side extension racks for coke loading
 
Some PRR examples are shown at the links below...
 
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Mystery Cars

Probably for hauling coke
Fenton

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:57 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Mystery Cars

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/025947.jpg

These cars appear to be gondolas with extensions. Anyone have an idea what these cars were used for?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Wanting to model accurate watermelon loads

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Rick,

I, and my parents were born in Iowa, though I grew up in La-La Land (aka California). We ate a lot of watermelons when I was young, most of them probably coming from around Fresno. My parents always complained about the taste, and longed for a Muscatine melon. My mother told me they were only sold locally because they had such thin rinds that they didn't ship well. Obviously that is not the case, unless by the late 1940s they had been bred to have thinner rinds or some other factor that later limited their sales range.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:29 AM Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:
Muscatine Melon: A Case Study of a Place-based Food in Iowa Susan Futrell – One Backyard Consulting, Iowa City, Iowa and Craig Chase – ISU Extension Farm Management, Waterloo, Iowa


By 1921, production of melons from Muscatine County totaled 750 carloads of watermelon, produced on around 2000 acres of land; and 100 carloads of muskmelon and cantaloupe, grown on around 500 acres. The 1925 Iowa State Vegetable Growers Association reported that Hal Wolford of Conesville was growing Hales Best and Perfectos: “The biggest benefit over California melons is that they are vine-ripened close to market.” It took approximately 12 days for the melons to reach the East Coast from the West Coast, whereas it took about six to eight days from Iowa (Iowa State Vegetable Growers Association Annual Report, 1925). Truck growers at this point used domestic farm labor for producing and harvesting, and any other labor needed came from the city of Muscatine. Most of the vegetables were marketed in Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, New Orleans, and the Twin Cities. Chicago was a 12-hour run by railroad; St. Louis, Kansas City and New Orleans were on direct rail lines, which offered good transportation facilities to the area growers. The Growers Association also reported for the first time in 1925 that Iowa cantaloupes were shipped to New York in carlots.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Don Hand <donlhand@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 8:46 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wanting to model accurate watermelon loads
 
Group - One good reference is the article, Moving Melons by Rail, by David Steer, Railroad Model Craftsman, Jan. 2014. More about the cars is in Ventilated Box Car, by Robert L. Hundman, Mainline Modeler, Apr. 2006.

I live in Hempstead, Texas, which was the watermelon shipping capital of the U.S., prior to 194O.  Although, surviving photos show watermelons being shipped primarily in T&NO stock cars.

Don Hand


Re: Businesses served by the PRR's Mon Division/Branch over time

naptownprr
 

What do the numbers represent in the columns?  Surely they are not carloads.


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Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:55 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; PRR@PRR.groups.io
Subject: [External] [RealSTMFC] Businesses served by the PRR's Mon Division/Branch over time
 
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Groups;

 

To add to the discussion on industries served, over time, I thought you might find this interesting:

 

PRR’s Monongahela Division/Branch:   1918, 1939, 1945, 1962:

Business Traffic by Commodity/Industry – 1918 to 1962

Commodity/

Industry

1918

1939

1945

1962

Auto/Truck Delivery

1

 

 

 

Boiler Tubes

1

 

 

 

Boxes

 

2

2

2

Brewing/Distilling

12

5

5

1

Brick (Standard, not refractories)

2

1

1

 

Cement

 

1

1

1

Chemical/Coke By-Products

1

3

4

4

Coal (Mining)

48

32

39

16

Coal (Retail)

1

2

2

 

Coke

 

4

1

1

 

Coal AND Coke

 

7

1

 

 

Concrete Block

 

 

 

1

Construction

 

 

2

 

Cooperage (Barrels)

1

1

1

 

Dairy

 

1

1

1

Drain Pipe

 

1

1

1

Drywall

 

1

1

1

Electrical Products

 

 

 

1

Feed and/or Milling

 

1

1

1

Flour

 

1

1

1

Foundry Products/”Iron Works”/Castings

3

1

1

 

Finished Furniture Storage & Transfer

 

1

1

 

Glass & Glasshouse Supply

 

11

5

5

2

Grain

2

 

 

 

Grocery/Supermarket Supply

1

1

1

1

Hangers

 

1

1

1

Hay

1

 

 

 

Ice

3

1

1

 

Iron Only (Muck Iron)

1

1

1

1

Iron & Steel Pipe (Primarily iron)

2

1

1

1

LCL/Station Deliveries

35

34

37

14

Lumber/Commercial Products/Building Supply

21

17

20

13

Machinery

5

4

4

3

Marine Ways

 

1

1

1

Meat

3

4

4

1

Mercantile

 

 

1

 

Mine & Mill Supply

 

1

1

1

1

Munitions Casings

 

 

1

1

Natural Gas

2

1

1

1

Oil or Refined Products

6

8

13

8

Paper (Wrapping)

1

 

 

 

Plumbing Supply

 

1

1

2

Power Generation

1

2

4

3

Produce

2

2

2

1

Railroad Track Parts

1

1

1

1

Railroad Wheels

1

1

1

?

Refractories

1

1

1

1

Sand & Gravel

2

1

1

 

Sashes & Doors

 

1

1

1

Scrap/Iron & Metal

2

2

5

5

Slag

 

 

1

 

Specialty Moving Services

 

 

1

 

Steel/Iron & Steel (primarily steel)

9

15

15

13

Steel Supply for Fabricators

1

1

1

1

Storage/Transfer/Warehousing

1

3

4

3

Team Track

1

1

1

1

Toy Pistols

1

 

 

 

Trunks & Bags

 

1

1

1

***Unknown***

 

8

15

6?

U.S. Army Engineers

 

1

1

 

Water (Water Treatment)

1

2

3

3

TOTAL BUSINESSES

 

200

180

218

122?

TOTAL CARLOADS IN / OUT

 

12,481/21,759

 

 

 

Percent Coal Mining (Out)

24%

18%

18%

13%

Carloads of Coal/Percentage of Total

 

 

 

 

Percent Station Delivery (In/Out)

18

19

17

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Steel Industry (In/Out)

5

8

7

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Lumber/Building Supply (In)

11

9

9

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note big declines in brewing, coal mining, coke, glass, LCL, and growth in steel and scrap.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 


Re: Businesses served by the PRR's Mon Division/Branch over time

tmkprr1954
 

Elden,
That is indeed an interesting evolution of customers.  Did that come from CT1000s?

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling the PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


About match-making (so to speak)

David Soderblom
 

About matches:  When Giant Sequoias were being logged ca. 1900 their enormous trunks were used for matches.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA






Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Todd Sullivan
 

Steve,

So, with that correction made (thanks), how close are the UTLX cars to the ACF design(s) in appearance?

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Mystery Cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Probably for hauling coke
Fenton

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:57 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Mystery Cars

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/025947.jpg

These cars appear to be gondolas with extensions. Anyone have an idea what these cars were used for?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Photo: Mystery Cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Maybe cheap coke cars?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 11:57:24 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Mystery Cars

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/025947.jpg

These cars appear to be gondolas with extensions. Anyone have an idea what these cars were used for?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Chicago-Cleveland Viking outside metal roof

Paul Doggett
 

Jim

Thank you but I think from the only photo I have the SP roof does not seem to have the two ridges .

Paul Doggett 


On 9 Jul 2020, at 17:59, James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:

I'm not certain this is the "same" type of Viking roof used by the SP, but this one was used on a few classes of N&W boxcars:

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=3680

Jim Brewer


Re: Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Bob,
 
no, the "battleships" were 12-wheelers and MUCH larger.
 
Johannes
 
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Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

A circa 1950 photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/001827.jpg

I believe this is a "battleship" gondola, yes?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Mystery Cars

Schleigh Mike
 

Coke cars, Bob---AKA Coke Racks

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 12:57:24 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Mystery Cars

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/025947.jpg

These cars appear to be gondolas with extensions. Anyone have an idea what these cars were used for?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

UTLX 96720 would have been part of a group of cars ordered in 1951 but not completed until 1953, so weren’t listed in the Jan 1952 roster, which can be seen in the files section of this group.

 

I probably should have included this information into the roster in the UTLX book, so it was an oversight on my part.

 

Here are three more lines that could be included into Appendix 2

 

96412 – 96461    11,000   Z5-300   ACF        1951       50           50           Lot 3748.  Completed 6-14-52.  Commercial design

96462 – 96712    11,000   X5-300  Graver and Whiting         1952       251         251        

96713 – 96949    11,000   X5-300  Graver and Whiting         1952       237         236         Completed 4-17-53

 

Bottom line is, no, 96720 is not the Atlas model, it is a UTLX design car with a tank built by Graver and the car assembled at UTLX, Whiting, Indiana.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 


Does UTLX 96720 look like an ACF built tank car? Is it the same as the Kadee model?

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 1:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Bob and all;

 

I see two Skelgas and at least three other (one being a UTLX), what look like ICC-105-300’s, almost certainly in compressed gas service.  Is there a production area in the vicinity?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: C&O Hopper 113476 With Stove Coal Load

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: C&O Hopper 113476 With Stove Coal Load
An undated photo from West Virginia University:
1930 or later,

    This is what the tariff rules called "loaded to full visible capacity."

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Also, during the frequent "car shortages" experienced by postwar railroads, I think it's a very good bet
that if a car was suitable, and was needed for an online customer, then the reporting marks were of no
consequence whatever.

     Very true, and a point to remember. Conversely, in slower economic periods, many foreign empties would be sent backwards over their service route.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396

Scott
 

Bill Welch posted a photo gallery that had an excellent side or 3/4 view of the rebuilt car with single door.   Unfortunately I can't find the bookmark of the gallery.  Perhaps Bill might remember the gallery website.

Scott McDonald 


Photo: Mystery Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Mystery Cars

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/025947.jpg

These cars appear to be gondolas with extensions. Anyone have an idea what these cars were used for?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: C&O Hopper 40843 With Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&O Hopper 40843 With Coal Load

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/002038.jpg

1930 or later.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Businesses served by the PRR's Mon Division/Branch over time

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Groups;

 

To add to the discussion on industries served, over time, I thought you might find this interesting:

 

PRR’s Monongahela Division/Branch:   1918, 1939, 1945, 1962:

Business Traffic by Commodity/Industry – 1918 to 1962

Commodity/

Industry

1918

1939

1945

1962

Auto/Truck Delivery

1

 

 

 

Boiler Tubes

1

 

 

 

Boxes

 

2

2

2

Brewing/Distilling

12

5

5

1

Brick (Standard, not refractories)

2

1

1

 

Cement

 

1

1

1

Chemical/Coke By-Products

1

3

4

4

Coal (Mining)

48

32

39

16

Coal (Retail)

1

2

2

 

Coke

 

4

1

1

 

Coal AND Coke

 

7

1

 

 

Concrete Block

 

 

 

1

Construction

 

 

2

 

Cooperage (Barrels)

1

1

1

 

Dairy

 

1

1

1

Drain Pipe

 

1

1

1

Drywall

 

1

1

1

Electrical Products

 

 

 

1

Feed and/or Milling

 

1

1

1

Flour

 

1

1

1

Foundry Products/”Iron Works”/Castings

3

1

1

 

Finished Furniture Storage & Transfer

 

1

1

 

Glass & Glasshouse Supply

 

11

5

5

2

Grain

2

 

 

 

Grocery/Supermarket Supply

1

1

1

1

Hangers

 

1

1

1

Hay

1

 

 

 

Ice

3

1

1

 

Iron Only (Muck Iron)

1

1

1

1

Iron & Steel Pipe (Primarily iron)

2

1

1

1

LCL/Station Deliveries

35

34

37

14

Lumber/Commercial Products/Building Supply

21

17

20

13

Machinery

5

4

4

3

Marine Ways

 

1

1

1

Meat

3

4

4

1

Mercantile

 

 

1

 

Mine & Mill Supply

 

1

1

1

1

Munitions Casings

 

 

1

1

Natural Gas

2

1

1

1

Oil or Refined Products

6

8

13

8

Paper (Wrapping)

1

 

 

 

Plumbing Supply

 

1

1

2

Power Generation

1

2

4

3

Produce

2

2

2

1

Railroad Track Parts

1

1

1

1

Railroad Wheels

1

1

1

?

Refractories

1

1

1

1

Sand & Gravel

2

1

1

 

Sashes & Doors

 

1

1

1

Scrap/Iron & Metal

2

2

5

5

Slag

 

 

1

 

Specialty Moving Services

 

 

1

 

Steel/Iron & Steel (primarily steel)

9

15

15

13

Steel Supply for Fabricators

1

1

1

1

Storage/Transfer/Warehousing

1

3

4

3

Team Track

1

1

1

1

Toy Pistols

1

 

 

 

Trunks & Bags

 

1

1

1

***Unknown***

 

8

15

6?

U.S. Army Engineers

 

1

1

 

Water (Water Treatment)

1

2

3

3

TOTAL BUSINESSES

 

200

180

218

122?

TOTAL CARLOADS IN / OUT

 

12,481/21,759

 

 

 

Percent Coal Mining (Out)

24%

18%

18%

13%

Carloads of Coal/Percentage of Total

 

 

 

 

Percent Station Delivery (In/Out)

18

19

17

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Steel Industry (In/Out)

5

8

7

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Lumber/Building Supply (In)

11

9

9

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note big declines in brewing, coal mining, coke, glass, LCL, and growth in steel and scrap.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 


Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

A circa 1950 photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/001827.jpg

I believe this is a "battleship" gondola, yes?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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