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Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Dave Parker
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 09:26 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.
One more time guys.  Prior to about 1942, there wasn't any such thing as a "free runner"
 
The photo that started this thread is of a B&M series 12100-12299 auto (not box) car built in 1910.  Although the photo quality is poor, it doesn't look like it dates to much more than a decade later.  In that context, I think the chances that it ended up in Florida as some sort of random routing event are zilch. 

I have not seen any Seattle photos, but the obvious examples of B&M cars in LA are in Speedwitch FOFC, vols 2 and 9.  Two cars total, both in 1936-37.  I would make the same case here:  it is very unlikely that they wandered down the coast having been loaded in Seattle.  That's much more of a 1945+ scenario.

Last, the important New England commodity that hasn't yet been mentioned is shoes, at least prior to WWII.  Hides came east, shoes went west.  IIRC, Woburn (MA) was the biggest center, which is why it's a SuperFund site today (chromium-6 problems).

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Richard Townsend
 

But as free runners they COULD have been loaded on their home road. <G>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

A while back I was delighted to find a photo of a State Of Main boxcar in San Francisco.  That justified my having one of these cars on my roster.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 7/8/20 6:26 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson
Re: Photo: SOO Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 09:41 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1120289/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Possible car number is 40388.

40388 is a good number, built by Pullman Car & Mfg. Co. 8, 9-28 Lot 5432 Series 40200 - 40598 even. The lettering scheme is as delivered with the corporate initials above the SOO LINE name.
 
Dennis Storzek
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Chuck Soule
 

Regarding toothpicks, I specifically remember there used to be a Diamond Toothpick factory just south of the intersection of Union and Center Street in Tacoma, right next to Nalley's.  So toothpicks and similar small wood items were made in the Northwest and would have a relatively low likelihood of being shipped from New England. 

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

Chuck Soule
Gig Harbor - which does not have a rail connection :(
Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Allen Cain
 

Attached are some of the marketing pictures for the Rail Shop Carbon Black Car kits and an article about them from Rail Model Journal.

Allen Cain

PDF
Carbon Black Covered Hoppers From Rail Shop Kits - RMJ 2007 Jan.pdf

Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Allen Cain
 

Attached is the Mainline Modeler article from the May 1993 issue with drawings of a carbon black car.

Allen Cain

PDF
Carbon Black - MM 199305.pdf

Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks to Tim, Doug, Claus, Lester and John for the good advice.  I was working on a softer pine desk top and tried a variety of burnishing devices, with fairly poor results.  I moved to a much harder desktop surface and tried the butt end of a wooden paint brush and my finger nail with decent results, taping down one side to allow me to see what was attaching to the paper and what was not.

 

A few more sets are on order, along with some other burnishing tools and the MS liquid decal film.  I tried Future on an early test, with middling results.  The challenge is doing a multi-color decal in layers of transfers.

 

Thanks again!

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

 


tape down the dry transfer over the spot you want (so it doesn't move)

burnish with nylon or other plastic tool

apply Microscale liquid decal film

allow to dry

If you are using the alphabet sets, and want to keep letters straight, make a line in the paper with a
knife or other tool and stay on that line. burnish - coat - dry as above.





On 7/7/2020 12:46 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

I have always struggled with using dry transfer products.  What kind of tips can anyone offer as to making successful transfers of the Clover House lettering to decal paper?  Proper burnishing techniques, etc.?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: wanting to model accuate watermelon loads

Allen Cain
 

Attached is an article from RMC which shows a method for modeling watermelons which I think is what you are looking for.

Allen Cain

PDF
Moving Melons By Rail - RMC 201401.pdf

Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Richard Townsend
 

Because he wants an S scale model.


On Jul 8, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



WHAT? Are you saying they did the rebuilt higher capacity cars?? That's (very good) news if true!

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 10:45 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:
Is there a reason you're not seeking a Rail Shop Models kit for a Cabot Carbon Black car?  They did two versions, early and late.

Schuyler

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

akerboomk
 

RE: B&M cars.

There’s always the Jones and Lamson Machine Tool works from Springfield VT (Shipped on the Springfield Terminal)  Sending machine tools to Boeing (or some aviation supplier)?

 

Re: Potatoes

Were the same varieties of potatoes grown in Idaho & Maine?  I’ve no idea what kinds were grown in Maine.  My image of an Idaho potato is just the Russets, but that may be more out of ignorance (maybe I should look at the bags, next time I’m in the store ;-) than any actual knowledge of what varieties are/were grown in Idaho.

 

RE: National “pools” of cars

Boxcars and flat cars were truly national pools.  There’s  a bunch of instances in ORERs where the B&M was renumbering cars and had pleas to “send our cars home so they can get renumbered”.

Then there’s the saga of flat 33509:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/s/BMRRM_33509_flatcar.pdf

 

[from the B&M RR Magazine July, 1951 (vol 19 No. 7)]

 

Ken


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Ken Akerboom
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

BillM
 

FEC shipped potatoes from the 5th district south of Miami and also the Hastings area.

Bill Michael

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Brusgard
Sent: July 8, 2020 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Potatoes!!! 

Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Doug Paasch
 

Good thought on the lumber.  The PNW is almost all softwood.  Hardwoods would need to come from the east, like maple (duh!), red & white oak, black walnut, etc.  Toothpicks, clothes pins, and textiles (especially woolens) are possibilities.  And manufactured goods, too.

 

Thanks for more ideas.  This is great!

 

  Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 8:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

It is possible that specialty wood items were shipped from New England to the west coast. I’m think of turned wooden thread spools, maybe even toothpicks. Yes the PNW had much lumber, but maybe not the right species for various items. And yes there were and are plenty of paper mills here, but maybe not making the right kind of paper for specialty uses. And the idea of textiles is great. Think of those huge textile mills like in Lowell. 



On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Doug Paasch <drpaasch@...> wrote:



Thanks all for your info/ideas!

 

On Jul 8, 2020 7:29 PM, "Todd Sullivan via groups.io" <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Well, now, that's a darned sneaky solution to Doug's problem!

Todd Sullivan

Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Rick Naylor
 

Alot of the BAR loads were potato's, they shipped them all over the US

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 

Tony, BAR reefers continued to be used for California produce at least into the mid 1970's.


On 7/8/2020 9:25 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Doug Paasch wrote:

I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

    Remember that for awhile in the '50's BAR loaned its reefers to PFE from June 1 to October 1. So there you are! California vegetable or oranges, fresh to Seattle!
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Tim O'Connor
 


WHAT? Are you saying they did the rebuilt higher capacity cars?? That's (very good) news if true!

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 10:45 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:
Is there a reason you're not seeking a Rail Shop Models kit for a Cabot Carbon Black car?  They did two versions, early and late.

Schuyler

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Is there a reason you're not seeking a Rail Shop Models kit for a Cabot Carbon Black car? They did two versions, early and late.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce A. Metcalf
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 4:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Carbon Black drawings?

On 7/2/20 6:02 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:

Can anyone point me to plans or drawings for a carbon black hopper?
There are scale drawings and photos in "Mainline Modeler", May 1993, beginning on page 5, by Martin Loftin.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


Lobsters and other fish went in EXPRESS REEFERS. And when lobsters were shipped ALIVE
they could indeed be sent all the way from Maine to California, even in steam days.



On 7/8/2020 9:28 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Doug,

I rather doubt that fresh lobsters would make it live to the West Coast by rail, based on years of eating them on Cape Ann north of Boston where my grandparents had a summer house, and on average transit times for freight coast to coast.  Specialty paper is more likely.  Champion Paper Mills in Lowell or Lawrence (I forget which) made high grade coated paper for the National Geographic magazine in the 1950s (I toured their mill as a high schooler), so I could conceive of such a load being shipped from MA to the PacNW to a specialty printer.  I'm sure Seattle or Portland had at least one of those. 

I'll try to think of other commodities that might work.  There had to be specialty manufactured items made in cities around Boston, including Lawrence, Lowell,  Worcester, Framingham, Fitchburg and the like that had national distribution.

Todd Sullivan

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


Tony, BAR reefers continued to be used for California produce at least into the mid 1970's.


On 7/8/2020 9:25 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Doug Paasch wrote:

I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

    Remember that for awhile in the '50's BAR loaned its reefers to PFE from June 1 to October 1. So there you are! California vegetable or oranges, fresh to Seattle!
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


Don't forget clothespins!! Before dryers, everyone needed a lot of clothespins. :-)

The Maine Central actually rebuilt 50 ton open hoppers into covered hoppers for clothespins!




On 7/8/2020 10:03 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
It is possible that specialty wood items were shipped from New England to the west coast. I’m think of turned wooden thread spools, maybe even toothpicks. Yes the PNW had much lumber, but maybe not the right species for various items. And yes there were and are plenty of paper mills here, but maybe not making the right kind of paper for specialty uses. And the idea of textiles is great. Think of those huge textile mills like in Lowell. 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Doug Paasch <drpaasch@...> wrote:



Thanks all for your info/ideas!
On Jul 8, 2020 7:29 PM, "Todd Sullivan via groups.io" <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Well, now, that's a darned sneaky solution to Doug's problem!

Todd Sullivan


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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