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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bill and Brian,

These cars were covered in an article by Pat Wider in RPC 19. Pullman builder's photos show the ends as black. The trucks also appear to be black, so the underframe probably was too. No solid information on the roof.

I photographed NKP 8099 at Noblesville, Indiana in 1978, and do not remember black ends. From another photo of this car in Wider's article, and other in-service photos of its sisters, it appears that the black (probably car cement) wore off over time, or if the cars were repainted they were done in all-FCR. The trucks were a rusty color by 1978. This car was probably on its way to the now-relocated Indiana Museum of Transport and Communications, also in Noblesville. Let's hope it survived that museum's relocation.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:27 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


Re: NYO&W

Todd Sullivan
 

And Bob Mohowski, devoted O&W modeler, who is still probably lurking about in Upstate New York.

Todd Sullivan
Rowlett, TX


Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS

Brian Carlson
 

Bill

Ends black, Underbody black, Trucks black (unpainted castings). Roof unclear. The running board is unpainted galvanized. The seam caps look painted. The entire roof may be freight car color or it may be black or just the seam caps are black. I don’t have a photo that clearly shows the roof.  Maybe Ray Breyer does but if he did, I would have seen it. Signing this post officially.

 

Brian Carlson, P.E.

NKPHTS Collections Management director

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
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NKP BOXCAR COLORS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


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Above is an Overland brass car.  I was told by a very knowledgable modeler that the ends should be black.  He did not, however, have any information on the roof, underframes and trucks.  Were they vblack as well?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


Re: Vague question about a gondola

Rick Jesionowski
 

I did two of them, one in CNJ and the other in a LV paint scheme they have never done.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: NYO&W

Bruce Smith
 

I think I saw a photo of a NYO&W hopper car at Harriman, on the Union Pacific!  😉 (note: this might have been in Mike Brock universe...)

Armand, as others have noted, this road was definitely a shaky proposition for most of the modern steam era, and with a tiny fleet of cars, the chances of seeing one off home rails was pretty darn small. As noted, there is a dedicated cadre of fans and modelers of the "Old and Weary" including Bill Schneider.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


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Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 7:51 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] NYO&W
 
The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this  RR ?  Armand Premo


Re: NYO&W

Bill J.
 

For models, keep watch on eBay.  You might find some steam and an OW wood drop-bottom gon.

For books, check bookfinder.com. 

Also, brasstrains.com is a good place:  https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Trains/Roads/107/New-York-Ontario-Western?showsold=False    They have a terrific book; it is pricey but well worth it.

Bill Jolitz


NYO&W

David
 

O&W didn't have much to do after their anthracite traffic collapsed in the 1940s. The 7/50 ORER shows 234 hoppers, 35 gondolas, 34 box cars, and 11 flats; versus 2803 hoppers, 202 gondolas, 58 box cars, 25 stock cars, and 106 flats in January 1940.

David Thompson


Re: Overhead Bunker cars, from another railroads perspective

Scott
 

That was a  interesting read.  Thanks for posting that.  I wonder how the 8 hatch reefers would be iced when not on home road icing stations.  Especially when they needed special tools to stir the ice brine.  Plus needing chopped/shaved ice instead of crushed.  It's still amazing they could get such low temps with the ice brine.

Scott McDonald 


Re: NYO&W

John Barry
 

Armand,

There is a small, but dedicated group of NYOW folks still active on Yahoo groups,
owrhs@....  

I discovered them while trying to sell my NicklePlateProducts NYOW 4-8-2.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 08:52:05 AM EST, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:


The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this  RR ?  Armand Premo


Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

Todd Horton
 

I’m not sure where they originated but I always assumed they were sent to Brunswick for unloading. There was so many forest operations in South Ga that there could have been several locations of loading points. I’ve never located a file about these cars but I know they existed from talking to former employees of the railroad. There is a paint stencil diagram for these cars as they were modified for stump service. Todd Horton

On Feb 2, 2020, at 2:26 AM, Rufus Cone <rclist09@...> wrote:

Todd,

Where were these stumps hauled and did they originate on the CG?

There was a Hercules explosives plant for near Brunswick, not served by CG.

Rufus

The C of Ga modified some USRA clone gons like this for hauling stumps to make dynamite Todd Horton
--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT




NYO&W

Armand Premo
 

The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this  RR ?  Armand Premo


Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

 

The CNW car was not as extensively modified as the Milwaukee cars. Photos that I have seen (they're in the Morningside CNW V2 Color Guide book) show only 1 panel cut out on each side of the car. They were deployed in pulpwood service.

The CNW Historical Society does offer decals and a diagram for  one of these. The Mantua car was recommended as a base for a model. I did one  a few years ago.

For purposes of this group, I believe the CNW cars were modified after the date range interest of this group.

Dave Strahlendorf


Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

While traveling from California to Virginia in 1982 I spotted this SAL stump gondola. It doesn't have the "skeleton" sides of the cars previously under discussion, but does have the sides cut away at floor level for cleaning (as if that ever happened). The car was white, and I think the number was 6890, but only the ghost lettering remained. The car is marked "STUMP WOOD LOADING ONLY".

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 2:26 AM Rufus Cone <rclist09@...> wrote:
Todd,

Where were these stumps hauled and did they originate on the CG?

There was a Hercules explosives plant for near Brunswick, not served by CG.

Rufus

> The C of Ga modified some USRA clone gons like this for hauling stumps
> to make dynamite       Todd Horton

--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT





Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

Rufus Cone
 

Todd,

Where were these stumps hauled and did they originate on the CG?

There was a Hercules explosives plant for near Brunswick, not served by CG.

Rufus

The C of Ga modified some USRA clone gons like this for hauling stumps to make dynamite       Todd Horton
--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Op sessions on the Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

This past week I hosted two op sessions on the Alma branch.  On Sunday one of my operators had to back out because of illness.  However, Bruce Smith from Auburn, AL, and Gary Senesac from Lawrenceville were able to make it did a very good  job.  On Thursday Tom Klimoski brought two friends, Tom and Ron and ran a record time of two hours and 15 minutes from Burlingame to Alma and back.  They did all the tasks perfectly. 

It is time to plan an op session for February.  The days I have open are the 9th, 15th, the 16th, the 22nd, the 23rd and the 29th.  If a group of retirees wants to come during the week that is possible.  Just let me know.  I provide lunch.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

Todd Horton
 

The C of Ga modified some USRA clone gons like this for hauling stumps to make dynamite       Todd Horton 


On Feb 1, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

I discovered a photo of a "peek-a-boo" gondola on a Facebook page. Some of you won't be able to access this page, unfortunately:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157666250347661&set=g.417820805597567&type=1&theater&ifg=1

These are basically open-sided pipe gondolas, first developed by the Milwaukee Road and then imitated by the Chicago & North Western.

This is a link to a Railway Age Article, July 22, 1957, Pages 28 and 29.

https://tinyurl.com/rhsorvk

The March 1957 Milwaukee Road Magazine briefly mentions the original idea for this car on Page 2:

https://milwaukeeroadarchives.com/MilwaukeeRoadMagazine/1957March.pdf

A Jim Sands photo:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=72525

Don Leistikow commented on this photo, " The car is representative of an idea put forth by Chalie Rynsky, Traffic Manager of Globe Steel Tubes Company, located on W. Burnham Street, Menomonee Belt District, City of West Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  Charlie was a well known representative in the Traffic Management field of enterprise. And Globe Steel Tubes generated lots of carload traffic.      

The storyline unfolds as GST's shipped most, if not all, of its production in open Gondola Cars. Seamless tubing was its basic product. In its day, tapered trolley poles for street railway and interurban cars was just one of the many products, they produced.

Car cleaning was a constant problem and an ever increasing expense.  Of course, GST management continued to prod Charlie, to come up with a solution. Ordering clean cars, does not assure that you will get clean cars.     

On invitation, I was treated to a tour of GST by Charlie and found it most interesting. It was at that time, that he told me the story.

Eye-balling some of these cars, Charlie came up with the answer.  He asked the MILW for a group of assigned cars, which would have their sidewalls and floors removed thus, becoming, self cleaning."

Morning Sun Color Guide Volume 2, Page 102 has a photo, I'm told.

The Chicago & North Western Historical Society had an article with photo in the Summer 1996 issue of the NorthWestern Lines magazine. I have no link for this.

I read that the car appears in Train Shed Cyclopedia 70.

Herald King made decals in HO and O scales for the C&NW car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Diagrams: PFE Refrigerator Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Thanks very much for that information, Tony.
Do you have any insight as to why these were not built?

   It's discussed in the PFE book at some length. Briefly, the -3 had superstructure improvements beyond the Class R-30-2, but used the original pressed-steel underframe. PFE decide against any more use of those underframes, as cracking problems had already appeared in them. Instead, the new superstructure was built onto a new underframe (Class R-30-4).
     The four later designs, classes R-30-7 to -10, were various combinations of underframes and superstructures. Evidently none were regarded as worth building (specifics in the book).
     Note that the CLASS number R-30-9 was used almost 30 years later for REBUILT cars, not new ones.

Tony Thompson




Re: Diagrams: PFE Refrigerator Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Thanks very much for that information, Tony.
Do you have any insight as to why these were not built?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

mel perry
 

SSW had similar cars, which they used
to transport cut sugar cane, in the south
mel perry


On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 2:45 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Peek-A-Boo Gondolas

I discovered a photo of a "peek-a-boo" gondola on a Facebook page. Some of you won't be able to access this page, unfortunately:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157666250347661&set=g.417820805597567&type=1&theater&ifg=1

These are basically open-sided pipe gondolas, first developed by the Milwaukee Road and then imitated by the Chicago & North Western.

This is a link to a Railway Age Article, July 22, 1957, Pages 28 and 29.

https://tinyurl.com/rhsorvk

The March 1957 Milwaukee Road Magazine briefly mentions the original idea for this car on Page 2:

https://milwaukeeroadarchives.com/MilwaukeeRoadMagazine/1957March.pdf

A Jim Sands photo:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=72525

Don Leistikow commented on this photo, " The car is representative of an idea put forth by Chalie Rynsky, Traffic Manager of Globe Steel Tubes Company, located on W. Burnham Street, Menomonee Belt District, City of West Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  Charlie was a well known representative in the Traffic Management field of enterprise. And Globe Steel Tubes generated lots of carload traffic.      

The storyline unfolds as GST's shipped most, if not all, of its production in open Gondola Cars. Seamless tubing was its basic product. In its day, tapered trolley poles for street railway and interurban cars was just one of the many products, they produced.

Car cleaning was a constant problem and an ever increasing expense.  Of course, GST management continued to prod Charlie, to come up with a solution. Ordering clean cars, does not assure that you will get clean cars.     

On invitation, I was treated to a tour of GST by Charlie and found it most interesting. It was at that time, that he told me the story.

Eye-balling some of these cars, Charlie came up with the answer.  He asked the MILW for a group of assigned cars, which would have their sidewalls and floors removed thus, becoming, self cleaning."

Morning Sun Color Guide Volume 2, Page 102 has a photo, I'm told.

The Chicago & North Western Historical Society had an article with photo in the Summer 1996 issue of the NorthWestern Lines magazine. I have no link for this.

I read that the car appears in Train Shed Cyclopedia 70.

Herald King made decals in HO and O scales for the C&NW car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA