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Re: RPM Chicagoland News

golden1014
 

That's interesting about RPM events and weddings.  When I was running St. Louis RPM, I ran into scheduling problems every year--almost every time due to weddings.  Weddings bring in a lot more money because of all the catering and alcohol of course.  Around 2010 I started selling our meet to the staff as "an event catering to happy retirees who have plenty of money, and are pleasant and will follow the rules, and most importantly we won't get drunk and cause any trouble".  The first time I said that the staff was taken by surprise, but they thought about it and realized it was true.  They gave us everything we wanted.  They liked the idea of an easy event where everybody cleans up after themselves.

I hope Frank can rebuild Naperville.  The attendee base is already there.  The first St. Louis RPM in 2004 was a one-day event, 90 attendees, in a community center, and 15 years later it was 2-1/2 days, almost 650 attendees.  Now that there's no hotel fees to worry about in Chicago, I think---if Frank can keep costs to an absolute minimum---there's no reason why he couldn't get 750 or 1,000 attendees on the first go.  

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany


Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

David Vinci
 

Do you suppose those are sugar beets they are loading?

 

Dave Vinci

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Re: DL&W brake system help

Lester Breuer
 

Mike provides the answer.   In 1953 they should hav AB brakes.  Thank You Mike and Al for your help.

Lester Breuer


Re: DL&W brake system help

Allan Smith
 

Thanks Mike that is a big help

Al Smith

On Monday, March 30, 2020, 02:40:16 PM PDT, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


Hello Group!

When Pierre announced these cars I placed a notice about the ELRRHS reprint of the DL&W's 1952 "Car Department -- Classification of Fright Equipment."  This reference lists 245 cars in service and that "AB Brakes Being Applied."

Hope this helps with any 'timing' issues.

Regards----Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Monday, March 30, 2020, 05:19:25 PM EDT, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:



Railway Prototype Cyc Vol 24 P83 stated that DL&W series 11350-11599 were rebuilt April thru September1936 and equipped with new Youngstown steel sides, Hutchins all-steel Dry lading roofs, staggered Youngstown corrugated steel doors with Camel roller-lift fixtures enclosing 12'-6 1/4"wide door openings, Ajax Type 13396 power hand brakes, Evans Auto-Loaders and twelve chain wells. When rebuilt the cars retained their original Andrews truck sideframes, KC schedule air brake systems, wood running boards and brake steps and 5-5-5 Murphy ends with newly fabricated extensions between the top and middle sections. The cars were assigned the AAR XAR automobile car classification and weighed 53,000 lbs.

These cars are on my Sierra RR list in 1952 and I have them to build, so I am also curious to see if they had the KC brake valves replaced do to AAR requirements.

Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 11:40:57 AM PDT, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937   The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes.   Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service.  My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service?

Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer.
Lester Breuer


Re: DL&W brake system help

Lester Breuer
 

Al as you state these cars are written up in RP CYC 24 and  I am aware they are shown prior to rebuild in RP CYC 16.  The data does say K brake stayed when rebuilt  in 1936.   However, I am asking about 1953.  Were they changed to AB or not then?
Lester Breuer


Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

Allan Smith
 

The Bx-U boxcars were built in 1890 series 40948-41440. They were originally built as Fe-D Furniture cars and given the number series 80400-81010, soon renumbered into the 6095-6600 and 6601-7200 series. In 1906 they were reclassified into boxcars becoming classes Bx-T and Bx-U almost all gone from the roster by the early 1920's. So the date on this photo is somewhat dubious.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Monday, March 30, 2020, 02:01:11 PM PDT, earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:


Interesting in that 41xxx series does not appear in the 1901 or 1905 ORER.
They do appear in the Mach 1907 ORER

Howard Garner


Re: DL&W brake system help

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

When Pierre announced these cars I placed a notice about the ELRRHS reprint of the DL&W's 1952 "Car Department -- Classification of Fright Equipment."  This reference lists 245 cars in service and that "AB Brakes Being Applied."

Hope this helps with any 'timing' issues.

Regards----Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Monday, March 30, 2020, 05:19:25 PM EDT, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:



Railway Prototype Cyc Vol 24 P83 stated that DL&W series 11350-11599 were rebuilt April thru September1936 and equipped with new Youngstown steel sides, Hutchins all-steel Dry lading roofs, staggered Youngstown corrugated steel doors with Camel roller-lift fixtures enclosing 12'-6 1/4"wide door openings, Ajax Type 13396 power hand brakes, Evans Auto-Loaders and twelve chain wells. When rebuilt the cars retained their original Andrews truck sideframes, KC schedule air brake systems, wood running boards and brake steps and 5-5-5 Murphy ends with newly fabricated extensions between the top and middle sections. The cars were assigned the AAR XAR automobile car classification and weighed 53,000 lbs.

These cars are on my Sierra RR list in 1952 and I have them to build, so I am also curious to see if they had the KC brake valves replaced do to AAR requirements.

Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 11:40:57 AM PDT, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937   The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes.   Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service.  My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service?

Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer.
Lester Breuer


Re: DL&W brake system help

Allan Smith
 


Railway Prototype Cyc Vol 24 P83 stated that DL&W series 11350-11599 were rebuilt April thru September1936 and equipped with new Youngstown steel sides, Hutchins all-steel Dry lading roofs, staggered Youngstown corrugated steel doors with Camel roller-lift fixtures enclosing 12'-6 1/4"wide door openings, Ajax Type 13396 power hand brakes, Evans Auto-Loaders and twelve chain wells. When rebuilt the cars retained their original Andrews truck sideframes, KC schedule air brake systems, wood running boards and brake steps and 5-5-5 Murphy ends with newly fabricated extensions between the top and middle sections. The cars were assigned the AAR XAR automobile car classification and weighed 53,000 lbs.

These cars are on my Sierra RR list in 1952 and I have them to build, so I am also curious to see if they had the KC brake valves replaced do to AAR requirements.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Monday, March 30, 2020, 11:40:57 AM PDT, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937   The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes.   Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service.  My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service?

Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer.
Lester Breuer


Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

earlyrail
 

Interesting in that 41xxx series does not appear in the 1901 or 1905 ORER.
They do appear in the Mach 1907 ORER

Howard Garner


SSW 17164 and the "Jail-House end"

Eric Lombard
 

Hi, Folks....

Just can't resist one more note on SSW 17164 with the unusual ends. Being locked down in Chicagoland makes time to trace out interesting one-offs. This car was one of 120 built by AC&F, Lot 7515, ordered 8-1914, built 12-1914 as 11034<>21986 even numbers. The cars were replacements into SSW 11000-22078, even numbers, wood, of which there were 5624 active in 2-1908 ORER and 5801 active in 2-1916 ORER. After 1914, Note 31 in the ORER tabulates the serials of the ACF cars. Sure enough, SSW 17160 is listed (attached). These cars were renumbered to 27000-27116 over 1924-1925 and remained in service into 1936. There is a clear photo (#21902) of this end in an article on box car ends by Richard Bale in MRH Oct. 2014, p98,

http://mrhpub.com/2014-10-oct/land/

He notes that it was dubbed the "jail-house" end by John Nehrich. That photo is a reproduction of same in the 1916 CBD, p394. The Westerfield collection of AC&F builder photos contains two photos of #21902, Lot 7515, together showing many aspects of the entire car.

I've not seen evidence of these unusual ends on any other series. If you know of such, I would appreciate a note.

Stay safe everyone,

Eric L
Hunkered down in Chicagoland


Re: Early Fruit Transportation . . . . . oyster box cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

IIRC somebody, probably Red Ball, offered a Stillwell oyster car back in dark ages. Likely a wooden block with paper overlays and real lead parts.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:24 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Also there were special cars for transporting oysters when people would pay a steep premium for the legless "livestock". The cars had salt water tanks for the valuable mollusks. Here is an example of an oyster car:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Stillwell_Oyster_Car_1897.jpg

And here is an article about Arthur E. Stilwell, inventor of the famed Stilwell Oyster Car

http://www.pullman-museum.org/theCompany/stillwell.html

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What ARE these ???

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, Pierre and Brian, that’s what I thought they might be.  There’s a dimple for drilling a hole through the short upturned end, and it makes some sense that is what they’d be for.  I’ll go with that for now.

 

Thanks

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What ARE these ???

 

Precision scale air hose brackets I think. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Mar 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



I hate to admit this, but in the course of doing some deep cleaning and rearranging of my workbench and supplies, I came across this sprue of small parts.  I have no idea what they are.  Realizing that I provided nothing in the photo to give a scale reference, I measure them to be pretty much exactly ¼” long.

 

Evidently I knew what they were for at one time – two have been cut off and presumably mounted somewhere on a steam era freight car, no doubt.

 

Identification sought.

 

Schuyler

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Re: What ARE these ???

Brian Carlson
 

Precision scale air hose brackets I think. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



I hate to admit this, but in the course of doing some deep cleaning and rearranging of my workbench and supplies, I came across this sprue of small parts.  I have no idea what they are.  Realizing that I provided nothing in the photo to give a scale reference, I measure them to be pretty much exactly ¼” long.

 

Evidently I knew what they were for at one time – two have been cut off and presumably mounted somewhere on a steam era freight car, no doubt.

 

Identification sought.

 

Schuyler

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Re: What ARE these ???

Pierre Oliver
 

Air hose brackets

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2020-03-30 4:08 p.m., Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I hate to admit this, but in the course of doing some deep cleaning and rearranging of my workbench and supplies, I came across this sprue of small parts.  I have no idea what they are.  Realizing that I provided nothing in the photo to give a scale reference, I measure them to be pretty much exactly ¼” long.

 

Evidently I knew what they were for at one time – two have been cut off and presumably mounted somewhere on a steam era freight car, no doubt.

 

Identification sought.

 

Schuyler


What ARE these ???

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I hate to admit this, but in the course of doing some deep cleaning and rearranging of my workbench and supplies, I came across this sprue of small parts.  I have no idea what they are.  Realizing that I provided nothing in the photo to give a scale reference, I measure them to be pretty much exactly ¼” long.

 

Evidently I knew what they were for at one time – two have been cut off and presumably mounted somewhere on a steam era freight car, no doubt.

 

Identification sought.

 

Schuyler


Re: RPM Chicagoland News

Tony Thompson
 

Should be one hell of a one day show.   Mont Switzer 

    But that's why I may not choose to attend, given the travel involved from the West Coast. I have only missed one or two "Naperville" meets, but this sounds like it might be another. That's just me at a great distance, of course. If I were closer I would love to support it, and depending how things fall out in the fall, might come just for the buzz.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

mel perry
 

looks like the two cars on the right were
reefers
mel perry

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 11:59 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

A circa 1900 photo courtesy of the Wabaunsee County Historical Society & Museum:

https://wabaunseecomuseumdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/d04.jpg

Caption: "Merchants and residents of Eskridge, Kansas unload freight from an Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Freight train at the Eskridge depot in this view, circa 1900."

Pictured are boxcars ATSF 41137 (Bx-U) and ATSF 18058 (Bx-C), plus two unidentified boxcars.

The Bx-U class of forty-foot cars first appeared in 1890 and were re-designated from the FE-D class furniture cars in 1906-08. The cars were built by the Wells & French Company. None of these cars were on the live list by 1922.

The Bx-C class of thirty-four foot cars appeared in 1892-93 and were the products of several car builders. The Bx-C designation was applied in 1902. A small number of these cars lasted into the early 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

A circa 1900 photo courtesy of the Wabaunsee County Historical Society & Museum:

https://wabaunseecomuseumdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/d04.jpg

Caption: "Merchants and residents of Eskridge, Kansas unload freight from an Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Freight train at the Eskridge depot in this view, circa 1900."

Pictured are boxcars ATSF 41137 (Bx-U) and ATSF 18058 (Bx-C), plus two unidentified boxcars.

The Bx-U class of forty-foot cars first appeared in 1890 and were re-designated from the FE-D class furniture cars in 1906-08. The cars were built by the Wells & French Company. None of these cars were on the live list by 1922.

The Bx-C class of thirty-four foot cars appeared in 1892-93 and were the products of several car builders. The Bx-C designation was applied in 1902. A small number of these cars lasted into the early 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


DL&W brake system help

Lester Breuer
 

I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937   The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes.   Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service.  My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service?

Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer.
Lester Breuer


Re: Index to 101 Years of Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Official Minute Books and Records on 35 mm Microfilm 1849 to 1950 and C.E. Perkins Papers 1863-1907 Microfilm

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

On 3/28/20 6:42 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Please excuse the off-topic post but I need help on research:
I think that's mostly what we do here.


A couple of years ago I ran across an online detailed catalog
description of each of the 45 or so CB&Q microfilm rolls and an
additional 15 or so on C.E. Perkins papers 1863-1907 with call
numbers in some online catalog of a library or college library.
AFAIK it was a simple Google search. I somehow lost the link and
cannot find it again after trying every conceivable search term and
variation thereof that I can think of. ...
Any ideas on finding this website beyond the normal Google, Bing,
etc. search engines???
Try <http://www.worldcat.org/>;. It's a union catalog of hundreds of large libraries, with an emphasis on university and research libraries. I've found it an invaluable for seeing who has what.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /

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