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ACL 27103 40ft steel boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
ACL 27103 40ft steel boxcar
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


SAL 15709 40ft boxcar, Jacksonville FL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
SAL 15709 40ft boxcar, Jacksonville FL
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


I-GN 14171 auto boxcar, Jacksonville FL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I-GN 14171 auto boxcar, Jacksonville FL
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


SAL 89728 40ft ds vent box in 1954

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

 
Hi List Members,
 
SAL 89728 40ft ds vent box in 1954 at Jacksonville FL
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


SAL 9050 steel auto boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
SAL 9050 steel auto boxcar
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer in Tallahassee, FL 1964
 
 
 

   The late Warren Mayfield, who supervised wreck clearance on the P&LE for years, said that inevitably the worst accidents happened on bridges or fills, usually at night, and typically while it was raining.

Tony Thompson




Shipping watermelons from Florida...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Shipping watermelons from Florida...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer in Tallahassee, FL 1964
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


TEXACO tank car string

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
TEXACO tank car string, Miami FL, 1940
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;  To add:

 

Here is an example of the PRR’s “silk” car fleet.  Not lost on me is the car number, right next to a rayon car number of 1964. 

 

Note the interior dedicated racking equipment.  The obvious overhead rail is how the racks were slid into the channel for following movement in-car. I am not sure how and if these were modified for rayon shipment.

 

This is one of the cars recommended to Tangent for inclusion in their offering:  early X31A with transverse reservoir and early end arrangement.

 

During WW2, the silk cars would be moving to parachute manufacturers for the war effort.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Tom;

 

I am the one who provided that research, but have been unable to verify who generated the loads, or a photo that shows stenciling for routing.

 

I suspect these may be re-purposed “silk” cars, but have not put in the time to examine various ORERs for car numbers.

 

For 1964:

 

64529, 64649, 64710, 64872, 64977, 65130, 65139, 65307, 65314, 65317, 65332, 65386;

66549; 67025, 67048;

67361, 67394;

69307, 81148, 81189

X37b

 

 

 

X37a, X37b,

 

X31a  dd

12

 

 

 

1, 4

 

3

Eqpt w/racks and hoists for hauling spools of rayon yarn on beams

 

 

Yet another research project….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of tmkprr1954 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Good Day,
I recently acquired my first ORER (January 1953) and set out to put the PRR section into a spreadsheet.
I found that 31 boxcars (X31A and X37A & B) had a note that they were equipped with "Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon".
Does anyone on the list have any references to the users of these specially equipped cars or pictures of the equipment?
I will review the other major carriers to see if there are equivalently equipped cars.

Not a large quantity o cars, but it caught my eye!

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Re: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Several list members asked about unloading the sugar cane cars. I don't have that answer, but this is how they were loaded!
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 6:51 PM
Subject: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

Hi List Members,
 
Shipping sugar cane by rail...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


SOU 129533 bulk-head end flat car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
SOU 129533 bulk-head end flat car, in 1959 in Jacsonville FL, on SAL.
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Of course, Stanley was and is located in Connecticut, so a New Haven box car would be more likely . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 2:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Doug Harding wrote:



Back in the day New England was a hotbed of manufacturing and textile mills. Think Stanley tools for example. These items were shipped all over the country. And they were shipped in boxcars, most likely New England road boxcars.

 

     Good example, and the railroad serving Stanley would have wanted to provide good service, thus possibly a Grade A home-road box car. But that yardmaster, having a Stanley request for an empty to, say, Seattle, would be looking at his western-road empties -- or midwestern roads, so the load could be routed via them.

       He almost certainly wouldn't use a New England road car if his railroad interchanged with that road, because he could send it home directly via the nearest interchange. Of course, in boom times, cars were in short supply and you would use ANY car you could find.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

Doug Harding wrote:

Back in the day New England was a hotbed of manufacturing and textile mills. Think Stanley tools for example. These items were shipped all over the country. And they were shipped in boxcars, most likely New England road boxcars.

     Good example, and the railroad serving Stanley would have wanted to provide good service, thus possibly a Grade A home-road box car. But that yardmaster, having a Stanley request for an empty to, say, Seattle, would be looking at his western-road empties -- or midwestern roads, so the load could be routed via them.
       He almost certainly wouldn't use a New England road car if his railroad interchanged with that road, because he could send it home directly via the nearest interchange. Of course, in boom times, cars were in short supply and you would use ANY car you could find.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Tony Thompson
 

Steve SANDIFER wrote:

Oil companies merged, bought each other, and bought and sold refineries.  I would like to see a list of active refineries and their brands circa 1950.
Skelly at one time had a refinery in El Dorado, KS, just north of the Oklahoma line on the Santa Fe. Tulsa, Arkansas City (ar Kansas City) and Bartlesville were all big refinery towns in northern Oklahoma.

     Google and you shall find.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Steve SANDIFER
 

Oil companies merged, bought each other, and bought and sold refineries.  I would like to see a list of active refineries and their brands circa 1950.

Skelly at one time had a refinery in El Dorado, KS, just north of the Oklahoma line on the Santa Fe. Tulsa, Arkansas City (ar Kansas City) and Bartlesville were all big refinery towns in northern Oklahoma.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Bob and all;

 

I see two Skelgas and at least three other (one being a UTLX), what look like ICC-105-300’s, almost certainly in compressed gas service.  Is there a production area in the vicinity?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SAL 073168 tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
SAL 073168 tank car, Jacksonville FL, 1960, being unloaded?
 

    Usually a car like this would be LOADED through the dome, but the apparatus looks a little like a siphon, so it may be unloading. Some states forbade unloading through bottom outlets.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Douglas Harding
 

Back in the day New England was a hotbed of manufacturing and textile mills. Think Stanley tools for example. These items were shipped all over the country. And they were shipped in boxcars, most likely New England road boxcars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Quite true. But to stimulate RJ's imagination, a couple of possibilities are specialty mechanical equipment of some kind, made only by a manufacturer in New England, or specialty paper made only in a New England paper mill.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

 

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 



On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


SAL 073168 tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
SAL 073168 tank car, Jacksonville FL, 1960, being unloaded?
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Allan Smith
 

I have Conductors lists from 1954 on the Sierra and a B&M 74195 came unto the Sierra at Oakdale Ca. 5-28-54 from the SP out of Stockton Ca Empty. So I don't know what load brought it to the SP.  The Sierra sent the car back to the SP on 6-2-54 loaded with lumber for Armory Mass. B&M 74195 series 74000-74499 PS-1 9-47 lot 5877 7' 7P Sup1 door. So you can see that these cars went everywhere and you could add one to your RR.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 10:22:57 AM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


R J Dial wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.

     You're assuming they were loaded by the home road and sent to the West Coast. More likely they were loaded SOMEWHERE in the U.S. and sent there. For example, the car in Seattle might have come from LA or Houston. Car Service Rules would not encourage westward movements of those cars, of course, but after WW II, the AAR surveys found that only about 2/3 of car movements were in accord with those Rules, so there is a lot of scope for "exceptions," though they really are not even exceptions.

Tony Thompson



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