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Re: Another new (?) vendor at Springfield

mopacfirst
 

In generic terms, a pretty realistic heat exchanger.  The 'shell and tube' nomenclature comes from the fact that the 'shell', the part from the double sets of flanges back toward the end, contains a set of tubes that are connected to the 'channel', the part from that double set of flanges forward to the head.  The head has two grabs on it, and it's suspended by a davit for use in holding it when it's unbolted for servicing.  So fluid A goes in and out of the nozzles on top and bottom of the channel.  They're more commonly directly opposite each other, but could be offset as here.  There's a baffle that makes that fluid go through the tubes, and either heat or be heated / cool or be cooled by fluid B, which goes in and out of the two larger nozzles on the shell.  The third nozzle on the shell is either a vent or is a side stream going somewhere else.

Most 6' diameter heat exchangers don't have nozzles that are quite that long, but that's just a matter of proportions.  All in all, at least it looks like it's a real piece of equipment with primer coat instead of an oversized piece of junk that fell from the 87:1 sky like some loads do.

Ron Merrick
(not a heat transfer engineer, but I know a few)


Re: New eBay listing

Bob Chapman
 

Even if I'm not in the market, I appreciate seeing the eBay listings, especially when the models are exemplary such as the current listing. I almost always learn something or at least get a bit of inspiration by checking out photos of the models. And as a potential future seller, the final sale price is useful insight for when the time comes. 

Keep 'em coming!
Bob Chapman


Re: ADMIN RE: [RealSTMFC] New eBay listing

Tim O'Connor
 


Just a simple suggestion - Make a SEPARATE groups.io list that initially includes ONLY the
members of RealSTMFC - to be the "want to buy - want to sell" list for this group of people.
And as always, keep all transaction details off list. If people don't want to belong or want
no email, they can take care of it with the email that is sent by groups.io.

It also means we don't eat up RealSTMFC photo or file space for sales or purchases.

Tim O'Connor




On 1/27/2020 9:22 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

The relevant rules are below.  Permit me to summarize:

1.  We permit the announcement of freight car-related items for sale.  These announcements should be kept to a minimum, and inquiries directed off-list.

2. COMPANIES who wish to announce freight car-related items for sale shall post their announcements between noon Friday EST and Saturday 11:59PM EST.

 

In my judgement, Clark Propst’s email meets the spirit and the letter of the rules.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley,

Deputy Moderator, STMFC

 

“Announcements of frt car related items for sale are permitted BUT actual

lists of items should be made available from the seller upon request rather

than in the message. Announcements of such sales should be kept at a

minimum. The primary objective of the group is to exchange information

concerning the subject.

 

Messages regarding the selling of products as part of a commercial

enterprise must be sent during the period of noon Friday EST and Saturday

midnight EST.

 

Each seller is allowed one message unless a correction is needed. Seller

messages MUST include OFF GROUP addresses for replies. Replies by members to

seller messages MUST be OFF GROUP.”

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 3:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New eBay listing

 

I read the group description and goals and see no mention of selling, etc. I would prefer this group NOT become flea market but still welcome someone selling kits or completed cars, parts or being made aware of new products. Some folks don't have a lot of contacts in which to be informed about things so we should be able to share here.

 

I would appreciate having a moderator get in this conversation with a YEA or NAY for us.

 

Thanks,

 

Roger Huber

Deer Creek Locomotive Works

 

 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Another new (?) vendor at Springfield

Tim O'Connor
 


Also, any comments on the TIE DOWNS on this load. It seems to me that
the blocking would not prevent longitudinal movements. Should there be
additional strapping from stake pocket to stake pocket on opposite sides
of the car?

Tim O'Connor




On 1/28/2020 1:49 PM, Stic Harris wrote:
Pretty neat. Thank you Tim.
Can anyone comment on dates of use for something like this "heat exchanger"?

Stic Harris

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:42 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I forgot to mention these guys - 3-D printed items of very high quality
at very reasonable prices!

I bought this Heat Exchanger kit -
https://dmcrrproducts.com/product/fcl-14000-ho-6d-x-45l-shell-tube-heat-exchanger-kit/

Tim O'




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Does anyone use resin brake components?

Tim O'Connor
 

Excellent point Ron! Replacement parts for many plastic kits really uses up the stash of brake components.

Byron Rose (Pittsburgh Scale Models) packaged both his detailed coupler gear box (that everyone has now
copied!) and a 3-set of AB brake components that are highly detailed. Way better looking than Tichy parts for
example.

Tim O'


I have always saved them and used them on kits like Intermountain
where the supplied triple valve just looks like a cube.
Ron Merrick




--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Another new (?) vendor at Springfield

Stic Harris
 

Pretty neat. Thank you Tim.
Can anyone comment on dates of use for something like this "heat exchanger"?

Stic Harris

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:42 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I forgot to mention these guys - 3-D printed items of very high quality
at very reasonable prices!

I bought this Heat Exchanger kit -
https://dmcrrproducts.com/product/fcl-14000-ho-6d-x-45l-shell-tube-heat-exchanger-kit/

Tim O'



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*





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- Stic


RR Wreck ...plus

Bob Webber
 

Interesting in that the two prime cars are both UP Auto cars...the end and side views (different series, but..)  Note that there is stenciling on the end (bottom)
https://aadl.org/node/354866


At 11:58 AM 1/28/2020, Jeff Ward wrote:
Interesting photo of the scrap rubber drive posted by Bob Chaparro.

https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/N082_0371_001.jpg

Of note (to me at least) is the Durea underframe slack adjuster mechanism under the right side of the door.

Jeff Ward
Norwalk, CT

Bob Webber


Another new (?) vendor at Springfield

Tim O'Connor
 

I forgot to mention these guys - 3-D printed items of very high quality
at very reasonable prices!

I bought this Heat Exchanger kit -
https://dmcrrproducts.com/product/fcl-14000-ho-6d-x-45l-shell-tube-heat-exchanger-kit/

Tim O'



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scanning?

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

No Copyright declaration that I've found, yet. I wouldn't expect one. Back when the owner of a work actually had to pay money to secure copyright protection, typically only things intended to make money, like books and magazines, were copyrighted.

      Most railroad publications were not copyrighted, including annual reports, employee magazines, brochures, timetables, etc. etc. Prior to 1978, if a copyright notice had not been inserted into the publication, it went straight into public domain. You will notice such an absence in almost any railroad-published document. The same is true of most AAR documents I have seen.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

Jeff Ward
 

Interesting photo of the scrap rubber drive posted by Bob Chaparro.

https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/N082_0371_001.jpg

Of note (to me at least) is the Durea underframe slack adjuster mechanism under the right side of the door.

Jeff Ward
Norwalk, CT


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X28A

mopacfirst
 

Elden:

Thanks.  That's clearer than the F&C drawing.

Ron Merrick


Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Eric Hansmann
 

Here’s some info on a few Seaboard ventilated boxcar classes. Wright Trak had produced the V9 and V10 class cars as HO scale resin kit models.

The Seaboard Air Line installed 2,150 V9 class ventilated boxcars in 1922. The Chickasaw Car & Shipbuilding built 1,250 cars (28000-29249) and Pressed Steel Car built an additional 900 cars (89000-89899). SAL added another 1,000 cars in 1923 of the V10 class, all built by Pressed Steel Car (79000-79999).

The V8 class cars were built by Pressed Steel Car in 1914 (27500-27961). These had a fishbelly side sill. Other early SAL ventilated boxcars also had a fishbelly side sill.

Larry Goolsby wrote about the Seaboard ventilated boxcar fleet in the 1st Q 1998 issue of Lines South.

The January 1943 ORER  lists 3,046 ventilated boxcars on the SAL.

27000-27961 - 9 cars (possibly V8 class)
28000-29249 - 1,206 cars (V9 class)
79000-79999 - 969 cars (V10 class)
89000-89899 - 862 cars (V9 class)

A note indicates all these cars were equipped with Wine ventilators.

The 1943 SAL ventilated boxcar fleet was the third largest. Central of Georgia (3,647) and Atlantic Coast Line (3,244) were the top two. The total of all CoG, ACL, and SAL ventilated cars was 72% of the 13,810 US railroad ventilated boxcars in the 1943 ORER.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 8:44 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

 

Lark Cooper wrote: While I’m not a y'all road modeler, one of these neat cars could occasionally make an appearance.

 

   That could be said even if you were modeling some of the roads in Eastern Canada.

 

Cordialy, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car (UTLX tank car)

Bob Chaparro
 

Inflammable vs. Flammable

The third image link shows a tank car with a placard that reads "Inflammable". Both flammable and inflammable mean "capable of being easily ignited and of burning quickly".

In the 1920s the National Fire Protection Association urged Americans to start using the word flammable to avoid confusion and prevent fires because they thought people may mistake inflammable as meaning not being able to burn.

Sometime in the 1950s the ICC's regulations shifted to require the use of "Flammable" on placards. Perhaps someone knows the exact year.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scanning?

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 27, 2020, at 19:55, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

[in re: a classic text]

What say you?
Regardless of its particular value to prototype modelers as a reference, it's still One of Those Treasures. Something like that deserves a copy camera rather than a flatbed scanner, and a lo-cal University may have one, with a program in preservation to operate it. It may be appropriate for a grad internship.

FUNEM
SVFM
FUNEX
SVFX
OKMNX


Re: New eBay listing

Clark Propst
 

My apologies for posting during the week. I knew 'sale' posts were to be on the weekend. Unfortunately, the model was finished in then. 

It's a sad fact that more freight car collections are being liquidated. This forum is the prefect place to offer those models when by the list rules, because we are the market.

CW Propst 


Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scannin

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 09:02 PM, mark_landgraf wrote:
I'll offer to scan that book. I have large enough scanner to do it...
 
The binder is hinged. Press the lever down and slide it away from you. 
Well, I found the lever, hidden by a loose end of the fabric that covers the spine. It is not budging, but I need more coffee before I try in earnest.

Thanks for the offer to scan, but I think I'll take Bob Webber up on his offer. Those folks are local to me, and the Pullman Library has the means to make it publicly accessible.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scanning?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:41 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:
FWIW, I firmly believe the current copyright duration is obscenely over-long...
I agree completely. Can you say M-I-C K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E?
No Copyright declaration that I've found, yet. I wouldn't expect one. Back when the owner of a work actually had to pay money to secure copyright protection, typically only things intended to make money, like books and magazines, were copyrighted.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unloading Containers From A Gondola Car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Fabulous photos, Claus!

Whose gon? NYC maybe? Do you all know what kind of containers?

Elden "Container Fan" Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

Hi Bob and List Members,


Thanks Bob for the reference to that nice image.

Other good images can be found on the site.

Some of my favorites are at the links below.

Unloading containers of lime from gondola onto a truck...

Blockedhttps://aadl.org/node/227351

Blockedhttps://aadl.org/node/227350


UTLX tank car, INFLAMMABLE placard...

Blockedhttps://aadl.org/node/116091


Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <mailto:chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car


Placard: Tin Cans

Just to show that tin can loads were called out for special handling:

Blockedhttps://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/N082_0371_001.jpg

Description:

"SCRAP RUBBER COLLECTIONS BEGIN TO LEAVE ANN ARBOR: Proof that Ann Arbor and Washtenaw county residents' efforts in the recently-ended scrap rubber collection campaign were not in vain is offered in this picture which shows the first shipment of scrap to leave the city. Cars shown above being loaded from the 50-ton plus pile gathered at the Staebler-Kempf station depot will carry 18 tons of rubber each to the Rubber Reserve Corp. collection depot in Cleveland from whence it will be turned over to varied rubber companies for reclaiming operations.

Published in Issue

Ann Arbor News, July 29, 1942"

Of course, somebody should have removed the placard after the car was unloaded.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X28A

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

You probably need this.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X28A

Elden:

That's the summary I was expecting, with regard to where those cars actually were as their reported numbers were declining.

Considering how many resin and plastic cars I'm currently working on, I think I'll set the X28A aside for now. The X26C is coming along well, with the underframe completed and painted, and some of the detail done on the body. The other two X29 rebuilds have the underframes partly done. I like to finish the underframe and add two ounces of weight (half-ounce fishing weights) after I assembly the body sides, roof and ends but before I do much body detailing.

I've taken to substituting more and more plastic parts on resin kits lately, like brake gear and roofwalks, where they're appropriate. The one-piece F&C cars have meant that I don't need to find plastic roofs or ends, which I've even done on some of the more modern Sunshine prototypes.

Ron Merrick


Re: New eBay listing

Donald B. Valentine
 

   Where is the harm in a list member mentioning a listing or another site on which items of use to many of us can be fouind for sale? There are a number of us who have found items we could use through such mentions so what's the problem as long as it is within list rules?

Cordially, Don Valentine