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N&W B-5 Boxcars 48000-48999 and 49500-49999

william darnaby
 

Does anybody on the list know the breakdown of handbrake type on these cars?  The photos available to me show some Ajax but I see others that I cannot make out.

Thanks,
Bill Darnaby



Re: Hindsight 2020 RPM Appreciation

Ken Adams
 

I enjoyed the first one enough I would be more than willing to attend another.....even if you charge a modest "convention fee."  And have the same quality as this first effort.

I would hope this type of virtual meeting does not disappear should we someday be able to normal life. Most of the physical RPM's have been in the eastern part of the US and those of us in the far west have not been able to attend a physical RPM  with the variety and depth of presentation.  The cost of air travel will probably rise in the coming years due to many factors so virtual alternatives may become even more important. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re :PACIFIC ELECTRIC BOXCAR BRAKE ARRANGEMENT

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



Sometime within the past year (it seems) someone on the list asked for help on the unique brake arrangement used on the Pacific Electric outside braced box cars.  By now they have ptrobably finished the car and moved on.  If not I have just uncovered the photos that I took of this item at the Paris rail museum. Let me know if you still need help.

Bill Pardie

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Revised Steam Era Reweigh Symbol file

James Brewer
 

All,

I have forwarded the revised file to the list owners and requested it be uploaded to the group's files.  It has been posted to the Resin Freight Car and Plastic Freight Car groups' files.

Jim Brewer


Re: Milk Containers on Flat Cars - Help with Colors

Roger Robar
 

William, I would suggest you check/call Bob’s Photo’s, P.O. Box 52, Wallingford, KY 41093  606-845-3323  Bob only does business over the phone. I know in years past he had many colored milk car photos.  

 

Roger Robar

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of webotkin
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 10:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Milk Containers on Flat Cars - Help with Colors

 

Hi,

 I am modeling some milk container cars on the flat cars owned by National Car Company that the DL&W used to carry in their milk trains in the early 1950’s.  Funaro and Camerlengo (F&C) has produced these cars in HO as resin kits.  In the process of painting the kits, the question is what color are the containers and what were they lettered.

In a review of the kits in RMC in the July 1989 issue written by Rusty Recordon, he indicated that the in the 1950’s era, the containers were very weathered, without any lettering and appeared to be a Pullman green color based on his viewing some color movies from the period.  I have be unable to locate any color photos of these cars and there are few black and white images available. 

The Lackawanna served several dairies in the period including Dairymen’s League, Sheffield and Borden’s.  According to the F&C instructions, the Dairymen’s League, Sheffield and Borden’s containers were all white with black lettering, though even in the few black and white images I have found, the Borden’s containers don’t appear white, but something much darker in shade – perhaps very weathered white?

 If anyone has better information on this topic, I would appreciate it.  I have posted a photo from the F&C website of the Borden’s containers as a reference.

Thanks.

William E. Botkin

Centennial, CO

 


Model builder wanted

Jared Harper
 

I am looking for someone to scratchbuild a wood prototype Santa Fe passenger car in HO.  I can provide photos and drawings.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Milk Containers on Flat Cars - Help with Colors

webotkin
 

Hi,

 I am modeling some milk container cars on the flat cars owned by National Car Company that the DL&W used to carry in their milk trains in the early 1950’s.  Funaro and Camerlengo (F&C) has produced these cars in HO as resin kits.  In the process of painting the kits, the question is what color are the containers and what were they lettered.

In a review of the kits in RMC in the July 1989 issue written by Rusty Recordon, he indicated that the in the 1950’s era, the containers were very weathered, without any lettering and appeared to be a Pullman green color based on his viewing some color movies from the period.  I have be unable to locate any color photos of these cars and there are few black and white images available. 

The Lackawanna served several dairies in the period including Dairymen’s League, Sheffield and Borden’s.  According to the F&C instructions, the Dairymen’s League, Sheffield and Borden’s containers were all white with black lettering, though even in the few black and white images I have found, the Borden’s containers don’t appear white, but something much darker in shade – perhaps very weathered white?

 If anyone has better information on this topic, I would appreciate it.  I have posted a photo from the F&C website of the Borden’s containers as a reference.

Thanks.

William E. Botkin

Centennial, CO

 


Re: Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

Thomas Evans
 

And a properly attired engineer
Bib overalls, long gauntlet gloves, Kromer Blizzard Cap, and a black bow tie!

Tom


Re: SUNSHINE TANK CARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 7/2/20 9:56 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SUNSHINE TANK CARS




Once completed the sensible cars are Pretty Dam Good.  My cars but not my work.

Enjoy:

Bill Pardie
_._,_._,_


Re: Photo: Export Tractor Load

Kenneth Montero
 

Doug,

Thank you. I will do so.

Ken Montero

On 07/05/2020 4:10 PM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:


Ken if you check the group files for the following file you will find the 1949 AAR loading diagrams. Tractor Loading on Flatcars AAR 1949.pdf  

The diagram shows the tractors are properly secured.


Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 1:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Export Tractor Load


Am I missing something? I am used to seeing a profusion of tie-downs, either chains or ropes. Is there just a tie-down from the left side of the tractor's rear to the flat car and a strap through the right front tire?

 

Lots of blocking front, back and behind the drive wheels, and blocking on all 4 sides of the steering wheels - does that compensate for just a few tie-downs?

 

I am asking because of my lack of knowledge and experience with securing such a load and am in the process of adding such a load to a flat car.


Ken Montero

 

 

On 07/05/2020 2:39 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:



Bob Chaparro wrote:



Photo: Export Tractor Load

An undated photo from the Hennepin County Library:

Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.

Tractors from Minneapolis-Moline Power Implement Company.


    The crate would certainly simplify modeling tractors!


Tony Thompson






Milwaukee Road Boxcar 713481 and HORMEL reefer

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thank you Bob for the very excellent set of images.
 
I could not help but notice there are more images of this 1934 wreck - one of them is in the link below.
 
 
I do notice there is a reefer on its side in the foreground, it appears to have HORMEL billboard lettering across its side. At first the reporting marks seem to me to read OAH&CO or QAH&CO. All HORMAL reefers I previously had images for had NADX reporting marks. When I looked up HORMEL in Wikipedia, I discovered that the founder's name was George A. Hormel. So maybe the reporting marks read GAH&CO instead. This is all new information to me.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2020 1:38 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Milwaukee Road Boxcar 713481

Photos: Milwaukee Road Boxcar 713481

Two 1934 photos from the Hennepin County Library:

https://digitalcollections.hclib.org/digital/collection/MplsPhotos/id/49238/rec/184

https://digitalcollections.hclib.org/digital/collection/MplsPhotos/id/49368/rec/187

Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Export Tractor Load

Douglas Harding
 

Ken if you check the group files for the following file you will find the 1949 AAR loading diagrams. Tractor Loading on Flatcars AAR 1949.pdf  

The diagram shows the tractors are properly secured.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 1:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Export Tractor Load

 

Am I missing something? I am used to seeing a profusion of tie-downs, either chains or ropes. Is there just a tie-down from the left side of the tractor's rear to the flat car and a strap through the right front tire?

 

Lots of blocking front, back and behind the drive wheels, and blocking on all 4 sides of the steering wheels - does that compensate for just a few tie-downs?

 

I am asking because of my lack of knowledge and experience with securing such a load and am in the process of adding such a load to a flat car.


Ken Montero

 

 

On 07/05/2020 2:39 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

 

 

Bob Chaparro wrote:



Photo: Export Tractor Load

An undated photo from the Hennepin County Library:

Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.

Tractors from Minneapolis-Moline Power Implement Company.

 

    The crate would certainly simplify modeling tractors!

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Export Tractor Load

james murrie
 

Interesting.  Going to Austria under auspices of United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration.  That dates it as roughly end of WWII and end of 1946.  Dates n the flat show 1945,

Jim Murrie


Re: Photo: Export Tractor Load

Kenneth Montero
 

Am I missing something? I am used to seeing a profusion of tie-downs, either chains or ropes. Is there just a tie-down from the left side of the tractor's rear to the flat car and a strap through the right front tire?

Lots of blocking front, back and behind the drive wheels, and blocking on all 4 sides of the steering wheels - does that compensate for just a few tie-downs?

I am asking because of my lack of knowledge and experience with securing such a load and am in the process of adding such a load to a flat car.

Ken Montero


On 07/05/2020 2:39 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Export Tractor Load
An undated photo from the Hennepin County Library:
Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.
Tractors from Minneapolis-Moline Power Implement Company.

    The crate would certainly simplify modeling tractors!

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Export Tractor Load

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Export Tractor Load
An undated photo from the Hennepin County Library:
Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.
Tractors from Minneapolis-Moline Power Implement Company.

    The crate would certainly simplify modeling tractors!

Tony Thompson




Hindsight 2020 RPM Appreciation

pennsylvania1954
 

Many, many thanks to the folks who put on this Virtual RPM and especially to those who uploaded their clinic materials over on
https://groups.io/g/Hindsight2020

--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

 

This car looks to be a DD car, see door tracks.

My surmise would be that it is a chain tube.

Dan Smith


Re: Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

Bruce Smith
 

I'll buy that!
Bruce


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track
 
I will guess it’s a tube for chains used for auto carrying. Note the door track extending left from the car center. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

What is the piece of hardware, just inside the wheel, that appears to be strapped to the center sill?

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track
 

Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

A 1938 photo from the Hennepin County Library:

https://digitalcollections.hclib.org/digital/collection/MplsPhotos/id/27759/rec/399

Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.

Excellent detail on unidentified boxcar.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

Eric Hansmann
 

I will guess it’s a tube for chains used for auto carrying. Note the door track extending left from the car center. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

What is the piece of hardware, just inside the wheel, that appears to be strapped to the center sill?

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track
 

Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

A 1938 photo from the Hennepin County Library:

https://digitalcollections.hclib.org/digital/collection/MplsPhotos/id/27759/rec/399

Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.

Excellent detail on unidentified boxcar.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

What is the piece of hardware, just inside the wheel, that appears to be strapped to the center sill?

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track
 

Photo: Boxcar Lower Door Track

A 1938 photo from the Hennepin County Library:

https://digitalcollections.hclib.org/digital/collection/MplsPhotos/id/27759/rec/399

Use the arrow in the upper right hand corner to enlarge each photo, then scroll on it to enlarge it more.

Excellent detail on unidentified boxcar.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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