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Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Schleigh Mike
 

Hi Chuck & Group!

These cars were once frequent visitors to the WAG and B&O before 1956 bringing in green hides to the two tanneries operating on their line and on the one on the connecting C&PA.  There is a movie where three of these cars can be seen together.  Ted Culotta's article mentioned by Ben Hohm should provide all you need to get this job done.

Regards, Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 11:13:25 AM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Group,

Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Chuck Cover
 

Ben,

 

Thanks for the information and the reference article.  This is exactly what I was looking for.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM
Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Benjamin Hom
 

Chuck Cover asked:
"Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts."

Chuck, in short, cars were originally automobile boxcars built between 1923 and 1926, and converted to boxcars in 1934 as the Evans auto loader made shorter automobile boxcars obsolete.  See Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars 17 in the November 2004 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman for more details including a build of this kit.


Ben Hom
Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
Re: Greg Martin

Michael Gross
 

Thank you for the update, Schuyler.  Greg has been a generous man and has been a great contributor to the hobby.  I will add my hope and prayers for Greg, wife Sandra, and his family.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA
Re: Southern FD 349012

Todd Horton
 

The bodies were cast by GSC. The C of G had 20 similar cars built for the General Electric plant in Rome Ga. These were probably built for the same customer as they both had access to the plant.     Todd Horton 


On Apr 5, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Friends,

This morning while I was scanning up some Southern locomotives, I remembered this flat car which I shot in Charlottesville, Virginia sometime in the late 1980s. Probably because it was unusual, I took a series of photos, including a deck shot from the bridge you can see in the low level views.

The 15 cars in series 349000-349014 were built by Thrall in 1956, so they just make it into our period of interest. I present them for your enjoyment, approval, and possible use in modeling (nice weathering on the deck!). If anyone has need, I can post the ORER dimensions and note VV from my 1958 ORER.

Me? I have no use for heavy duty flatcars on my layout, an obscure fictional Southern-controlled subsidiary which has no customers that would need such a car. 

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆
<SOUTHERN FLAT CAR 349012-HD4C.jpg>
<SOUTHERN FLAT CAR 349012-HD3C.jpg>
<SOUTHERN FLAT CAR 349012-HD1C.jpg>
<SOUTHERN FLAT CAR 349012-HD5C.jpg>
Re: GN Safety Film from the 1940's with lots of Freight Cars

John Drake
 

Thanks for pointing this one out George!  It does have a wonderful variety of steam-era freight cars.

John Drake
Re: Seaboard AF-5

O Fenton Wells
 

Paul the Apex Tri-lock is the running board and I used Kadee on mine.  Make sure you post photos
Fenton

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:04 AM Paul Bizier <pa.bizier@...> wrote:
About 3/4 of the way through one of Chad's modifications - however, I can find anywhere that roofwalks got mentioned.  Does any one have readily available the type of roofwalk used on these cars?  Thanks in advance.

Paul Bizier



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
Seaboard AF-5

Paul Bizier
 

About 3/4 of the way through one of Chad's modifications - however, I can find anywhere that roofwalks got mentioned.  Does any one have readily available the type of roofwalk used on these cars?  Thanks in advance.

Paul Bizier
Re: Model brake component size comparison to prototype

ron christensen
 

Interesting comparison
I wondered what the cylinder should look like if the brakes were off, so I modified a cylinder.
As far as I know no one manufactures a cylinder with the push rod in.
Ron Christensen
Re: Southern FD 349012

gary laakso
 

Thanks, Garth!  The interior of the N&W gon coupled to the flatcar has debris and scrap. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 4:49 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Southern FD 349012

 

Friends,

 

This morning while I was scanning up some Southern locomotives, I remembered this flat car which I shot in Charlottesville, Virginia sometime in the late 1980s. Probably because it was unusual, I took a series of photos, including a deck shot from the bridge you can see in the low level views.

 

The 15 cars in series 349000-349014 were built by Thrall in 1956, so they just make it into our period of interest. I present them for your enjoyment, approval, and possible use in modeling (nice weathering on the deck!). If anyone has need, I can post the ORER dimensions and note VV from my 1958 ORER.

 

Me? I have no use for heavy duty flatcars on my layout, an obscure fictional Southern-controlled subsidiary which has no customers that would need such a car. 

 

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆
Southern FD 349012

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

This morning while I was scanning up some Southern locomotives, I remembered this flat car which I shot in Charlottesville, Virginia sometime in the late 1980s. Probably because it was unusual, I took a series of photos, including a deck shot from the bridge you can see in the low level views.

The 15 cars in series 349000-349014 were built by Thrall in 1956, so they just make it into our period of interest. I present them for your enjoyment, approval, and possible use in modeling (nice weathering on the deck!). If anyone has need, I can post the ORER dimensions and note VV from my 1958 ORER.

Me? I have no use for heavy duty flatcars on my layout, an obscure fictional Southern-controlled subsidiary which has no customers that would need such a car. 

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆
circa 1946 freight car images

john oseida
 

There was a recently concluded eBay listing that had a number of images that might be of interest to the group including one of those not often photographed poultry cars:






Regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON


On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 2:06:52 p.m. EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:




Thanks Drew for the clarification. I'd love to see this done. It seems to be an
almost forgotten art at least for HO models.


On 4/4/2020 11:35 AM, Drew wrote:
Tim,
   I worked in a prototype model during my high school years. We used lost wax a few times. First a master is made and a mold made off that master, the mold was usually RTV rubber. Wax was poured in to that mold to make a second master which did shrink a bit. That wax master was then placed in foundry sand and hot metal poured in to the sand mold. The wax melted/vaporized and metal took its place, hence the name lost wax. It's been 20 years since I last did that but I do recall there was a bit of shrinkage in each step.

Drew Marshall in Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

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On Apr 4, 2020, at 09:15, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

As I recall, all Cal-Scale detail components were OVERSIZE because they were used
 for lost wax casting! In that process the plastic parts are for the molds and are
 destroyed in the casting process, and the shrinkage produces parts that are closer
 to scale.
Or am I wrong? :-)
Tim O'Connor
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On 4/4/2020 9:00 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:

A comparison of several manufacturers’ model brake component measurements to Westinghouse prototype brake component measurements prepared by George Toman was sent to me for my use.  I asked George to share his measurements comparison on my blog.  If you are interested in the  comparison measurements, they are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: New Run: Rapido HO Scale General American Meat Reefer

Tom Madden
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:42 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
Tim,

Thanks, those are great photos and they show exactly what I was trying to describe!  There's one other photo I know about that is in one of the small softcover Anthracite railroad books.  It shows an overhead view of the CNJ yard on the Lehigh River with 3 SLRX reefers.  Since all my Eastern RR books are in storage elsewhere, I can't check.
"Memories of Eastern Pennsylvania Railroading" by Gerald Bernet, page 9. Two red Swift reefers, distant view, roofs are a dirty dark freight car red with a couple of lighter red individual boards. Lots of other interesting freight cars in the shot, including an obligatory NP box car, but the half toning gets in the way of being able to say much about individual cars. Great overall view of the CNJ's (CRP's?) Jim Thorpe yards in 1953, though. One of my favorite books but I wish it had been done in a larger format with higher quality reproduction. (It's 8.5 x 11, horizontal format.)

Tom Madden
Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola - containers

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Perhaps an obscure commodity shipped in gondola - containers was coal........Howe Scale at Rutland, Vermont had a cupola furnace for melting iron pigs and regularly received containers of anthracite (as I was informed once upon a time in conversation) for this furnace.........I will certainly stand corrected by those on this list more knowledgeable........

Mal Houck
Re: Model brake component size comparison to prototype

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Dennis,
 
Live and learn, I guess.  Admittedly, what know of the process was learned a few decades ago, so I stand corrected.  It would be interesting, to me anyway, to know what types of plastic are used and how the shrinkage of the various materials compare.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model brake component size comparison to prototype
 
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
My understanding is that the sacrificial material used to make the molds for casting is, as the name of the process implies, wax, which melts and is absorbed by the mold when it is first heated leaving the void later filled with molten brass or other casting metal.
Wax was used when the masters were being "spin" cast in rubber molds. For higher production numbers the masters are injection molded from styrene. Precision scale Co. plastic parts are the same; investment casting masters sold as parts. Come to think of it, Grandt Line once sold their parts in brass, also.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Southwest Scale Productions Doors

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks to Richard Townsend and George Toman, this request has been satisfied.
 
Thanks again.  Stay safe,
Steve Hile


From: Steve Hile [mailto:shile@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 1:43 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: Southwest Scale Productions Doors

I am trying to further document the selection of Dan Hall's SSP doors.  I would like to have a picture of the number 610, the 5-5-5 wide-seam "Overland" door.  Just the unfinished door, if possible.  Here is what I am using for the #612
 
 
so something like that would be helpful, if you have one or could take one like this, I would appreciated.
 
Please contact me off-list at shile (at) mindspring (dot) com.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile
Re: Model brake component size comparison to prototype

spsalso
 

While Cal-Scale (Bowser) may well use their plastic parts to investment cast their brass AB brake parts, they still have the wrong dimensions.

Shrinkage during the casting process is 1.8%.  If you multiply the prototype dimensions in the chart under discussion by 1.018, so as to predict the proper size of plastic piece that will produce the proper sized brass one, the numbers just don't work.  The dimensions are just wrong.  Unless there are errors in the table.

So any errors in the Cal-Scale parts are not based on making properly oversized parts for casting.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: New Run: Rapido HO Scale General American Meat Reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Todd Sullivan wrote Dreferring to Tony Koester)e\:

Back in his Allegheny Midland layout days, I once asked him why he didn't detail and weather all his hopper cars.  He replied that he needed 200 hoppers and was still trying to finish work on the layout.  That was an instant "Oh, never thought about that" from me.  

      Reminds me of my days in Pittsburgh, when my good friend C.J. Riley always had an excellent entry in the model contests at NMRA regionals. At one of those meets, C.J. casually mentioned to someone that he was starting a layout. The other person immediately responded, "I guess we won't be seeing you in the contest room any more." I was surprised at the comment, and said so, and the reply was, "Wait and see." Of course, he was right. Ya just can't do everything.

Tony Thompson
Greg Martin

Schuyler Larrabee
 

With the permission of his family, a report:

 

Some of you may be aware, but the current COVID-19 infection has Greg in the hospital for, now, a bit over two weeks.  He was feeling ill at home, and collapsed, whereupon his wife called the ambulance to take him to the hospital.

Greg’s has several compromising conditions, so the virus is really giving him a tough time.  He’s been comatose most of the time he’s been hospitalized and his brother told me that the reports from the doctors are up and down from day to day.

 

Greg’s contributions to the steam era freight car modeling fraternity need no clarifications from me.  But I hope that we will all l hope and pray for his recovery.

 

Greg has a Facebook page, which is being updated regularly with his condition.

 

Schuyler
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