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Re: Trucks?

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis

I agree, but it's the very first example of this type of Andrews truck I've ever seen - or at least, recall ever seeing.

(Can't trust my memory these days.)


On 7/7/2020 9:48 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Not Vulcan, rather some sort of Andrews patent truck. Vulcan trucks had the end of the sideframe encircle the journal box, which fit in the resulting slot, and retained by a horizontal bolt through a lug on the sideframe directly behind the journal lid hinge. I'm not seeing this lug, nor does the sideframe extend far enough to encircle the outer side of the journal box. Meanwhile, although the poor quality of the photo makes it hard to see, I think I'm seeing vertical bolts alongside the journal boxes. Those are the spotting feature of the Andrews design. Andrews trucks don't have to have the horizontal strap to the bottom of the journal; some had the strap drop at a 45 deg. angle from a bracket cast on the sideframe, as here.

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Matt Goodman
 

On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io<sullivant41@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling
 
Bob,

I suspect that the tank cars were carrying LPG or a similar flammable gas, not oil.  Oil burns, gas explodes, and the piece of shrapnel on this UTLX ICC 105 pressure tank car was likely the wrapper on another similar car that exploded.  Here's a You Tube video of a modern 33,000 gallon LPG tank car that caught fire and exploded in the 1980s as a result of a derailment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tUQTw_Vtk 

Todd Sullivan


Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars

I was told that railroads did not pay per diem for having a private company's refrigerator car (PFE, SFRD, FGEX) on their tracks. Instead, the railroad paid the company a mileage charge, whether the car was empty or not.

If this is true, what incentive did a railroad have for getting a refrigerator car back to the owner in a timely manner?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


What kind of Brake Setup is this?

Kemal Mumcu
 

Hi,

I'm building a TH&B 36' boxcar and these cars have a particular kind of brake gear I haven't seen before. K brakes were being used on the underframe and this strange brakewheel brace on the B end. Interestingly, there was no brake wheel platform to speak of. Brakewheel shaft also looks square.

Anyone know the name of this setup?

Colin Meikle


Re: Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

Richard Wilkens
 

As this is a photo from a newspaper archives that doctoring is typical for newspapers of that period. This gave a stronger contrast to the photos when printed. You will see the edges of the truck side frame has been done as well as the missile cradle.

Richard Wilkens


Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Douglas Harding
 

Make sure you have an edge square to the lettering, so you can line up the carrier (ie paper) properly. Use a piece of Scotch tape to tape the carrier to the model, this will keep it from shifting as you rub and it will allow you to lift to view progress and be able to lay back down if not all the transfer is complete.

 

You can use a variety of things to burnish with. A soft lead pencil works, but don’t use a sharp one that might poke the carrier paper. Woodland Scenics made a large soft plastic tool that works well for large images, but is not real good for small areas or crevices in the surface. A piece of soft strip wood, like balsa, can be used.

 

Make sure you cover the complete transfer when burnishing. But don’t over do it. I like to use a pencil because then I can where I have burnished and where I have missed. Too much burnishing will cause the transfer to stick to the carrier paper instead of the model. Rub enough to get the transfer to stick to the model surface. Once the entire transfer is stuck, you can remove the carrier paper, then you can switch to a non stick carrier and press harder with a final burnishing.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:47 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

 

I have always struggled with using dry transfer products.  What kind of tips can anyone offer as to making successful transfers of the Clover House lettering to decal paper?  Proper burnishing techniques, etc.?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile


Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Lester Breuer
 

I have transferred Clover House dry transfers to decal paper many times.  I just lay the dry transfer carrier sheet on the decal paper on a flat firm surface ( I have a plate glass surface on my workbench which also acts as a surface plate) and use a nylon burnisher to go over dry transfers to transfer the dry transfer to the decal paper. When all desired transfer is made I cover the applied dry transfered lettering with the plain wax sheet enclosed with the dry transfers and again go lightly over the lettering with the nylon burnisher. When complete I cover the transferred lettering with MicroScale Liquid Decal Film.  Let dry for 20 minutes plus and you have a decal ready to apply. 

It also helps if the carrier sheet is used in a warm rather than cold environment.   Some individuals ( I do not as a norm) warm the dry transfer carrier sheet via light bulb.   

I personally do not like the metal burnisher tips as I have found they do not work as well as the nylon to transfer for me.

Lester Breuer


Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have always struggled with using dry transfer products.  What kind of tips can anyone offer as to making successful transfers of the Clover House lettering to decal paper?  Proper burnishing techniques, etc.?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile


Re: Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I can’t help but notice the RI car on the end of the line, to the right.

 

 

In the mid 1920’s the RI rebuilt a number of older wood framed cars with new steel center sills and bolsters, with truss rods to complete the underframe.  Some of the later cars were completed with early inverted Dreadnaught ends.  Many served through WWII, but were nearly all gone by 1950.  They were numbered in the 152xxx series, but this one may have already been assigned to a work equipment 95xxx number.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

 

Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

A circa 1945 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1116212/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Description: "Photograph of the Rock Island Railroad Marshalling Yard on the east side of downtown Oklahoma City. Photo taken by Meyers Photo Shop, c. 1945."

There are a lot of freight cars in the photo but only FGEX 36330 is easily identified.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling
 
Bob,

I suspect that the tank cars were carrying LPG or a similar flammable gas, not oil.  Oil burns, gas explodes, and the piece of shrapnel on this UTLX ICC 105 pressure tank car was likely the wrapper on another similar car that exploded.  Here's a You Tube video of a modern 33,000 gallon LPG tank car that caught fire and exploded in the 1980s as a result of a derailment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tUQTw_Vtk

Todd Sullivan


Re: Re :PACIFIC ELECTRIC BOXCAR BRAKE ARRANGEMENT

radiodial868
 

Huh, I like my version the best. Rare that happens! (to me that is). The proto connector rod had a bigger hook like mine does, and the chain was a more pronounced that Jason's molded chain.  I actually got the auxiliary lever correct that moved the linkage to the outside sill. (Note: the slightly bent brake shaft was corrected later).
Bill Pardie, thanks for bringing this back up and making my day.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

Bruce Smith
 

The photo looks "doctored", either by airbrush, or dodging, or both. I'm not sure exactly why, other than to perhaps fake the background? The war is over (date is dec 5, 1945) but now we're keeping secrets from the Soviets, and others...

Note that there is a gun on the flat behind the V-1 that appears to be a german "flak 88".

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171
 

Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

A 1945 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc262590/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

With more of these the Missouri Pacific could have held off the Union Pacific for several more years.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

I suspect that the tank cars were carrying LPG or a similar flammable gas, not oil.  Oil burns, gas explodes, and the piece of shrapnel on this UTLX ICC 105 pressure tank car was likely the wrapper on another similar car that exploded.  Here's a You Tube video of a modern 33,000 gallon LPG tank car that caught fire and exploded in the 1980s as a result of a derailment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tUQTw_Vtk

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for the great set of images.
 
On this specific one, I think can make out Chicago Rock Island & Pacific on the flat car side
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 11:43 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

An undated photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1622358/

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Description: "Photograph of nine African-American men and three White men adjacent to nine flatbed cars loaded with baled cotton in Kell, OK."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Re :PACIFIC ELECTRIC BOXCAR BRAKE ARRANGEMENT

radiodial868
 

That was me 2 years ago who was looking. Time flies.  Terry Salmans at the Perris museum came though with a bunch of pictures and posted them on the Pacific Electric Facebook page. I then built my flatcar to reflect the odd outside handbrake linkage. Results attached. I see that Jason just posted how to do it just this April on the Owl Mountain website. I should go compare how close I got.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/7/2020 8:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

    Interesting that the fellow on the far right has a pistol in his belt.  I'm wondering what this picture is really showing?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Photo: Icing FHIX Reefer 964 & SFRD At Waynoka, OK

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Icing FHIX Reefer 964 & SFRD At Waynoka, OK

A 1952 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc636895/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Description: " "The Thing," looking like a pre-historic monster that escaped from a glacier, ices down a 104-car potato train at the Waynoka plant of the Railways Ice & Service Co. on the Santa Fe's main freight line."

The Railways Ice Company ice plant was a major re-icing facility and division point on the Santa Fe. It was one of the country's largest ice production facilities.

This ice plant could produce up to 241 tons of ice daily. Railways Ice had a long term contract for icing and services with the Santa Fe at Chicago, Kansas City, Waynoka, Belen and Needles. The plant in Waynoka previously was owned by the Kansas Ice Company.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling

A 1958 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc196209/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Description: "A daylight photograph of a railroad tank car wrapped in debris caused by the derailment and explosion of oil-filled tank cars at Shattuck in Ellis County, Oklahoma."

Will anyone bring a model of this car to a prototype modelers meet?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

A circa 1945 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1116212/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Description: "Photograph of the Rock Island Railroad Marshalling Yard on the east side of downtown Oklahoma City. Photo taken by Meyers Photo Shop, c. 1945."

There are a lot of freight cars in the photo but only FGEX 36330 is easily identified.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

An undated photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1622358/

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Description: "Photograph of nine African-American men and three White men adjacent to nine flatbed cars loaded with baled cotton in Kell, OK."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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