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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tony;

How long did the G-70-8 remain in black paint?

When were both repainted in the later scheme?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

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Anthony Thompson
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WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
There has been quite a discussion on the similarities between the
G-70-12 and the G-70-8 gondolas for the Southern Pacific. Would
someone be kind enough to list the differences between the G-70-12 and
the G-70-9 gondolas. They were both built in 1953.
Extremely similar--only really noticeable feature is the brake step on the
end, which was Gypsum expanded-metal style on the -8 and Kerrigan (like Apex)
rectangular grid on the -12. But they WERE NOT built at the same time. The -8
cars were built in 1951, the -12s in 1953. If you want months, I can supply.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

seaboard_1966
 

Tony

The correct trucks for the new SP caboose by WT are not available. We do include a nice set of Tahoe trucks, not just ordinary trucks..<G>

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models, LLC

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Paul Lyons wrote:
Elden, you obviously haven't bought any new resin kits lately! $40
is probably getting closer to the norm, with many reaching close to
$50.
The new WrightTRAK SP caboose is $59.95 but does come with trucks.

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Re: Gondola loads

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

In an Australian model train magazine I was given, used tea bags were suggested as good material for tarps.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Anthony Thompson wrote:

Brian Carlson wrote:

Yes, but instead of toilet paper, I've used tissues paper, paint does make it rigid.
Kleenex works for me--the key in my opinion is to avoid the "vacuum-packed," extremely rigid look, such as on the Chooch HO loads. Even a snug tarp does NOT, repeat NOT look anything like a Chooch load.

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Re: Another Wabash question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

I am confused (not that rare). Were these ex-New Haven cars all 10' IH cars?

Was it in the same timeframe as the NH sold off their PS-1's, and what
happened to their traffic to initiate the sell-off?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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O'Connor
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 2:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Another Wabash question




Accordion to my notes, NJI&I 1400-1699 were ex-New Haven cars aquired
1962-1963. The Wabash ex-New Haven cars were 60000-60999.
Some of the Wabash cars were prewar AAR (4/5 ends e.g. #60800), and some were
postwar AAR design (3/4 ends e.g. #60207), but I think they were all ex-New
Haven.

The NKP had over 3,000 1937 AAR 10'0"IH box cars (incl 500 from
W&LE) but I don't think they acquired any in the 1960's (although they
rebuilt and renumbered many of them).

Tim O'Connor

I picked up a photo showing NJI&I 1438 in a train. Photo is not dated
but the car has reweigh date of 11-63 (at Decatur) and could have
been repainted at this time. It's a full-tilt 1937 AAR box, complete
with non-lowered tackboards. There are no such cars listed in the
Steam Freight Cars list of 1937 AAR boxcars. It has pushpole pockets
and a steel roofwalk, expanded metal like Transco or similar. There
is no sidesill stiffening modification.

Was this car second-hand, and if so, from where?
Yes. It's my understanding that he NJI&I 1404-1699 box cars, along with
the Wabash 60000-60999 series, were transferred from the Nickel Plate
in the late 1960s after all three railroads were purchased by the
Norfolk & Western.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for providing that info Ross. It is interesting - I was unaware of the Island Tug & Barge operation out of the Puget Sound area - that's one of the hazards of my tunnel vision on the Vancouver scene. You triggered me to look at my own Official Guide copies where I found the Index of Points Reached by Water Routes - something I had not seen before. My latest copy is November 1949. No Island Tug and Barge at that point. Still plenty of interest for further consideration on this topic. What follows is a list from my quick skim for stations in BC and the railways or other companies that served them (I carelessly included some from the lakes services - will edit that later):
Bamfield - CPSS
Bedwell River - CPSS
Blubber Bay - CPSS
Burton City - CPSS
Carmanah - CPSS
Carrolls landing - CPSS
Ceepeecee - CPSS
Chamiss Bay - CPSS
Clayoquot - CPSS
Clo-oose - CPSS
Comox - served by CPSS,
Denman Is - CPSS
Douglas Channel - CNSS
Ecoole - CPSS
Enterprise - CPSS
Evans Creek - CPSS
Franklin River - CPSS
Galiano Is - CPSS
Gardiner Canal - CNSS
Gauges Harbour (maybe Ganges�) - CPSS
Green Cove - CPSS
Hecate - CPSS
Hesquiat - CPSS
Herbert Arm - CPSS
Hope Bay - CPSS
Hornby Island - CPSS
James Island - CPSS
Kildonan - CPSS
Lardeau - CPSS
Mayne Island - CPSS
Muchalat - CPSS
Nanaimo - CPSS
Nootka Cannery - CPSS
North Pender island - CPSS
Ocean Falls - CPSS and CNSS
Port Albion - CPSS
Port Alberni - CPSS
Port Renfrew - CPSS
Port Washington, BC - CPSS
Powell River - CPSS, CNSS, Kingcome Navigation, Puget Sound Freight Lines
Prince Rupert - CNSS, CPSS
Refuge Cove - CPSS
Sarita Bay - CPSS
Saturna Is - CPSS
Sidney - CPSS, Puget Sound Nav.
South Pender island - CPSS
Tahsis - CPSS
Ucluelet - CPSS
Union Bay - CPSS
Vancouver - American Mail Line, Canadian Australian Line, CNSS, CPSS, Kingcome Navigation, Moore McCormack Lines, Puget SOund Freight Lines
Victoria - CPSS, Puget Sound Freight Lines, Puget Sound Navigation
Westview - CNSS, CPSS
Zeballos - CPSS

So, I`ll have to read about the US based companies listed here. Maybe on the weekend. Very interesting.

I have to wonder how much freight cars supplied via barge to one of the mills would have then been returned directly to the USA, rather than sent through Canada. I`m not sure how one could get a sense of such traffic flows in the immediate post war era.

Re the GN, I wonder how they operated their cross boarder operation. I`m not aware of something like the International of Main division that CP formed, nor CASO used by NYC. Yet with a large enough presence in BC to be considered one of the main railways in the province, it is curious how they operated. The various subsidiary companies they owned and purchased weren't clearly marked as owners of the rolling stock in the late steam era, so that makes me wonder about the border issues.

Rob Kirkham
Having weird font issues this evening!

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From: "Ross McLeod" <cdnrailmarine@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:32 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC box car that went far...


Have you found a source that demonstrates the movement of empty USA cars into Canada for lumber loading? To what era does it apply?

JF Garden's British Columbia Railway page 90 - photograph shows the Milwaukee barge arriving Squamish from Seattle May 23, 1957

Official Guide December 1963:

Island Tug & Barge - Railway car barge service local and interline between Seattle and Tacoma Wash. and Crofton, Duncan Bay, North Vancouver, Port Alice, Squamish, Victoria, Watson Island, Woodfibre, BC. Connecting at Seattle with UP, NP, MILW.

Barge lines including Foss became "rail carriers" in order to participate in the thru freight rate structure.

Vancouver Public Library archives VPL15152 shows a 1946 photo of a Great Northern forklift being used to load paper at Powell River, demonstrates the extent to which the Great Northern worked with Powell River.

Vancouver library VPL 4143 "Great Northern Railway cars" are shown being loaded at Marpole in 1930 or VPL 3815 same area in 1923 - "American railway box cars at the Bernard Timber..".
.
January 1949 Railroad magazine page 16 shows a picture of a PGE barge "Inbound freight nears the end of its 42-mile journey up Howe Sound to Squamish Dock and the beginning of it's run over PGE trackage. Aboard the railroad's car ferry are some B&O boxcars: during recent months foreign traffic has increased along British Columbia's wilderness road." Mentioned only for the date.

Ross McLeod Calgary


Re: Another Wabash question

Tim O'Connor
 

Accordion to my notes, NJI&I 1400-1699 were ex-New Haven cars
aquired 1962-1963. The Wabash ex-New Haven cars were 60000-60999.
Some of the Wabash cars were prewar AAR (4/5 ends e.g. #60800),
and some were postwar AAR design (3/4 ends e.g. #60207), but I
think they were all ex-New Haven.

The NKP had over 3,000 1937 AAR 10'0"IH box cars (incl 500 from
W&LE) but I don't think they acquired any in the 1960's (although
they rebuilt and renumbered many of them).

Tim O'Connor

I picked up a photo showing NJI&I 1438 in a train. Photo is not
dated but the car has reweigh date of 11-63 (at Decatur) and could
have been repainted at this time. It's a full-tilt 1937 AAR box,
complete with non-lowered tackboards. There are no such cars
listed in the Steam Freight Cars list of 1937 AAR boxcars. It has
pushpole pockets and a steel roofwalk, expanded metal like Transco
or similar. There is no sidesill stiffening modification.

Was this car second-hand, and if so, from where?
Yes. It's my understanding that he NJI&I 1404-1699 box cars, along
with the Wabash 60000-60999 series, were transferred from the Nickel
Plate in the late 1960s after all three railroads were purchased by
the Norfolk & Western.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George Hollwedel wrote:
He asked about the G-70-9, didn't they have deeper sides?
Good catch, George, I'd missed the G-70-9 part. But no, the -9 cars were 65-foot mill gons, nothing like the G-70-8 or -12. The recent Athearn 65-ft. car in HO is a good replica of those cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Tim O'Connor
 

The SP G-70-9 was a 65' gondola -- Athearn produced their
AAR 65' gondola lettered as a G-70-9 built in 1953. They are
very similar (the model and prototype) but not exactly alike.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/5/2009 09:28 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Tony,

He asked about the G-70-9, didn't they have deeper sides?

George Hollwedel


Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

David Sieber
 

Ron,

OK, I'll bite - how will you get two cars out of one Sunshine Wabash 50ft double-door autocar conversion Mini-Kit (one of which is not Wabash)? I don't see how that's possible if you do the autocar as intended; do you instead plan to use one pair of 7-panel Superior doors for each of two single-door boxcars? I picked up one of those Mini-Kits at Naperville last weekend. To cover a 15ft autocar opening, those Mini-Kit doors are about half-a-foot wider than the similar Dan Hall 7-foot Superior doors (Southwest Scale Productions part FC-770) as used on several cars (e.g, early 40ft PS-1s for NH, LV, and MEC per Essential Freight Cars #40, RMC Jan 08).

Please enlighten the group as to the two cars you plan to model. I suspect I'm not the only one who's easily (and often) diverted by a good prototype that's reasonably modeled with just a little work.

Dave Sieber
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

You're right, they were there and I picked up a couple of them. I've since found I can get two cars out of one (hint: one is not a Wabash car) so I might have one surplus. Contact me offlist.

Ron Merrick


Re: Another Wabash question

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:14 PM, mopacfirst wrote:

I picked up a photo showing NJI&I 1438 in a train. Photo is not
dated but the car has reweigh date of 11-63 (at Decatur) and could
have been repainted at this time. It's a full-tilt 1937 AAR box,
complete with non-lowered tackboards. There are no such cars
listed in the Steam Freight Cars list of 1937 AAR boxcars. It has
pushpole pockets and a steel roofwalk, expanded metal like Transco
or similar. There is no sidesill stiffening modification.

Was this car second-hand, and if so, from where?
Yes. It's my understanding that he NJI&I 1404-1699 box cars, along
with the Wabash 60000-60999 series, were transferred from the Nickel
Plate in the late 1960s after all three railroads were purchased by
the Norfolk & Western.

Richard Hendrickson


Another Wabash question

mopacfirst
 

I picked up a photo showing NJI&I 1438 in a train. Photo is not dated but the car has reweigh date of 11-63 (at Decatur) and could have been repainted at this time. It's a full-tilt 1937 AAR box, complete with non-lowered tackboards. There are no such cars listed in the Steam Freight Cars list of 1937 AAR boxcars. It has pushpole pockets and a steel roofwalk, expanded metal like Transco or similar. There is no sidesill stiffening modification.

Was this car second-hand, and if so, from where?

Ron Merrick


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

George Hollwedel
 

Tony,

He asked about the G-70-9, didn't they have deeper sides?

George Hollwedel

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tangent G-70-12 for other classes
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 6:57 PM
WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
There has been quite a discussion on the similarities
between the 
G-70-12 and the G-70-8 gondolas for the Southern
Pacific.  Would 
someone be kind enough to list the differences between
the G-70-12 
and the G-70-9 gondolas. They were both built in
1953.

     Extremely similar--only really
noticeable feature is the brake 
step on the end, which was Gypsum expanded-metal style on
the -8 and 
Kerrigan (like Apex) rectangular grid on the -12. But they
WERE NOT 
built at the same time. The -8 cars were built in 1951, the
-12s in 
1953. If you want months, I can supply.

Tony Thompson         
   Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705     
   www.signaturepress.com
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M53 instructions

seaboard_1966
 

Guys

Once again I apologize for the screwup on the M53 instructions. At WrightTRAK we take service and our product seriously. Kurt Laughlin brought a website to our attention and we jumped on it. The instructions have now been uploaded to that sight and can be reached using the link below.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22180349/B-O-M53-Wagontop-Box-Instructions-HO

Photos of the prototype cars will be up on the WrightTRAK site soon.

Again, we are sorry that this happened and hope that this clears up any problems that folks have. Thank you for having patience while we cleared this up.

Regards

Denis Blake
Marketing Director
WrightTRAK Railroad Products, LLC


Re: M53 instructions

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

FYI, I have posted PDFs to this free site:

http://www.scribd.com/

so that others could download them. Seems to work fine. It did not require a big effort to register, either.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Denis F. Blake

Gary's wife is working right now, at 635PM, to get the instructions on the
website. She does not know if she is going to be able to post the pdfs
there or not.


Re: Train Fest

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We attended one year. Sales weren't worth a return. - Al Westerfield

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From: Charlie Vlk
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Train Fest




Jim-
There are a number of small kit manufacturers at TrainFest and, while the Great Unwashed do attend, it is an important event for diehard Model Railroaders.
While it doesn't have the exclusive focus of people that already do resin kits that the prototype modeler events do, it is not focused on beginners by any means..... and since many of those guys already have all the resin kits it might be advantageous to get a table. There are displays by serious modelers, and increasingly has supplanted the old RICHTA / iHobby "International" show as an important show for Model Railroad Manufacturers. It is on the order of the Springfield, MA show (and I've been told the Oklahoma City one as well although I've never been to that one to compare myself).
Charlie Vlk
Railroad Model Resources

My hunch is that Milwaukee's Train Fest is targeted toward the general
public with very little to attract modelers interested in resin kits. At
least that's what I've heard since last year. Some year, I'll be at
Naperville too but not until I've expanded my HO offerings since that is the
main interest.

Jim King


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
There has been quite a discussion on the similarities between the G-70-12 and the G-70-8 gondolas for the Southern Pacific. Would someone be kind enough to list the differences between the G-70-12 and the G-70-9 gondolas. They were both built in 1953.
Extremely similar--only really noticeable feature is the brake step on the end, which was Gypsum expanded-metal style on the -8 and Kerrigan (like Apex) rectangular grid on the -12. But they WERE NOT built at the same time. The -8 cars were built in 1951, the -12s in 1953. If you want months, I can supply.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


8-hatch reefers

Ian Cranstone
 

Dave, on the CPR you'll be looking for cars 289640-289999, which were constructed from 1936-1942, on CNR you need 209500-209799, built from 1939-1943.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
www.nakina.net

On Nov 3, 2009, devansprr <devans1@erols.com> wrote:

Is the RMC series on these reefers, or on reefers in general. I have some reefer info, but it does not mention these 8-hatch cars. Which RMC issues (approximate)? My last attempt at the on-line index was less than successful. (one hit for Culotta)

There are quite a few 42'6" cars in the '43 ORER for the Canadian roads that look to be recently built. Any chance these are the cars?


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

There has been quite a discussion on the similarities between the
G-70-12 and the G-70-8 gondolas for the Southern Pacific. Would
someone be kind enough tolist the differences between the G-70-12 and
the G-70-9 gondolas.
They were both built in 1953.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Pardie

On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Ed Hawkins wrote:
The bodies of the cars were identical. The G-70-8 cars built in 1951
were originally painted black with white stencils. Technically, the
Tangent model is actually more accurate for the G-70-8 because these
prototype cars came with U.S. Gypsum brake steps that the model
replicates nicely. The G-70-12 cars had Kerrigan brake steps, which
were a rectangular open grid similar to Apex Tri-Lok. In addition to
coverage of these SP gondola cars in Tony's book, RP CYC Vol. 19 has
a comprehensive 53-page article covering all prototype cars . . .
Ed is correct, as photos in my book show. The other, very
minor difference is that different draft gear was used in the two
classes, and careful examination of the draft gear opening; in the car
end will show the difference, but this is below the level of
significance that any but the most meticulous modeler would recognize.
I hope that Tangent will presently release a black G-70-8 too!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



Re: Frank Peacock

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Clark,
I tried to send you private email but it's returned this sentence (with other data of course);

Your access to this mail system has been rejected due to the sending MTA's poor reputation. If you believe that this failure is in error, please contact the intended recipient via alternate means.

Do you have any other email address?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


PSC (#32110) stanchions

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Denny, if you'd like to organize a group order, I'll commit to 3 packages.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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