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Accurail cars

Jared Harper
 

Seems like I remember someone making a list of Accurail cars and their prototypes or lack thereof. I looked in the files section, but don't spot one. Can anyone guide me?
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Outside Braced AC&Y Gondolas

Bob Lucas
 

Wow, quite a surprize... that the AC&Y gons were ex-CNW.... thanks, Jerry. Seem to recall that the Standard Steel Car records still exist, but I'm not sure where? Does anyone know? I'd still like to locate drawings and additional photos for these CNW 72201-72299 series 48' composite gons. Bob

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Bob, the cars you are looking into are ex-C&NW built by the Standard Steel Car Company as composite drop-end 70 tons cars. The C&NW rebuilt them in the early 1950's with steel sides, and if I am not mistaken, from the photo that had seen, the rebuilding work was done at the Butler, Wis. shop tracks.

Here is a builders photo to clear-up all this.

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-6&pos=0

It seems that the C&NW sold them off to both the CRI&P and ACY at some point in time in the late 1950's.


Happiness, Jerry Stewart
In a very cold Woodstock, Ill.

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Looking for backround info and modeling suggestions for a unusual (ex-Rock Island?) gondolas leased by AC&Y (see pics) in the late 1950's for pipe traffic. There were ten cars, series ACY 1510-1519. ORER data shows these gons to be 70-ton, 1727 cuf, 48'11" IL, 4'0" IH, drop ends, wood floor and unknown type trucks.

I'd like to model these... am open to ideas.... perhaps kitbash two Intermountain USRA composite gons using styrene to simulate the metal sides? Any ideas appreciated. Also, would like to find drawings or additional photos.

http://acyprez.fileave.com/4261000-R01-005%20-%20Copy.jpg

http://acyprez.fileave.com/Rock%20Island%20Gon%20%20%2084588%20-%20Copy.jpg


Re: Ertl USRA DS biox cars

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Every good! The 52000 series box cars along with much of the 40s freight car roster came from H-M. The 52000 series box cars are a true kitbash. They were made from reefers! They stripped the reefer frames and built a USRA style body.

I hate those center cab steamers....

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "scottpitzer2002" <scottp459@...> wrote:

If you guys will let Clark get his cupboard bare, he can start on his Mother Hubbard [which could pull steam-era freight cars.]
Although I didn't know MStL ever had any... (second-hand from Hyman-Michaels?)

Scott Pitzer


Re: Ertl USRA DS biox cars

Scott Pitzer
 

If you guys will let Clark get his cupboard bare, he can start on his Mother Hubbard [which could pull steam-era freight cars.]
Although I didn't know MStL ever had any... (second-hand from Hyman-Michaels?)

Scott Pitzer


Athearn Parts

Bill Welch
 

Panicked by the idea of not being able to get more 40-ft boxcars for harvesting rivets, I contacted Athearn's Parts dept. and found it would not be problem to get more. In addition to this backup supply I also ordered tanks car parts to pursue kitbash project for 10K General American tank cars inspired by RH a few years ago.

I also ordered 2 50-foot gons bodies along with their U/F's for use at the Shake 'n Bake Bash on the Beach project coming up in a few weeks as I wanted to work with undecs and want to do two cars if possible.

It took about ten days or less

Bill Welch


Re: Ertl USRA DS biox cars

Jared Harper
 

Clark can store some of mine too as long as he returns them built.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianehni" <behni@...> wrote:

I can send some of my Sunshine kits to him for storage, as long as he promises to return them. 8^)

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Clark Propst wrote:
I'm in the process of clearing my cupboards of the last on my
modeling projects.
Clark, surely you realize that if your project cupboards become
empty, you risk expulsion from this list? <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Ertl USRA DS biox cars

rwitt_2000
 

Clark Propst wrote:


I came across three Ertl DS USRA box cars still in their boxes and one
without a roof. I remember using that roof on another project. Now, I
need to know if any of these cars were re-roofed by any road? Or, were
there clones with different roofs?

Two of the cars had Details West 4/4 square corner Dreadnaught ends
with them. I suppose I wanted to make more M&StL 52000 series cars.
Anyone know of any pictures of these cars? I've already cut the ends off
the Ertl cars, so I'm committed, or should be : )
Clark,

From a very old post ... "A neat feature of this kit [Ertl] is that the
roof is removable so that a load can be applied. ... this feature is
excellent for those who would want to model the roofless NYC coke cars
or the SP&S's pulpwood cars with extended sides (which you can't do
easily with the Accurail kit)."

Of course now the ends maybe incorrect.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Ertl USRA DS biox cars

brianehni <behni@...>
 

I can send some of my Sunshine kits to him for storage, as long as he promises to return them. 8^)

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Clark Propst wrote:
I'm in the process of clearing my cupboards of the last on my
modeling projects.
Clark, surely you realize that if your project cupboards become
empty, you risk expulsion from this list? <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Ertl USRA DS biox cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
I'm in the process of clearing my cupboards of the last on my modeling projects.
Clark, surely you realize that if your project cupboards become empty, you risk expulsion from this list? <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Ertl USRA DS biox cars

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I'm in the process of clearing my cupboards of the last on my modeling projects.

I came across three Ertl DS USRA box cars still in their boxes and one without a roof. I remember using that roof on another project. Now, I need to know if any of these cars were re-roofed by any road? Or, were there clones with different roofs?

Two of the cars had Details West 4/4 square corner Dreadnaught ends with them. I suppose I wanted to make more M&StL 52000 series cars. Anyone know of any pictures of these cars? I've already cut the ends off the Ertl cars, so I'm committed, or should be : )

I also found two different Terry Wegman PFE kits I have no use for. If anyone is interested in them please contact me off list.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: dual gauge freight trains

John Riddell <jriddell@...>
 

As a matter of interest, freight trains consisting of freight cars of both
narrow (3'6") and standard gauge were operated on the Prince Edward Island
Railway from approximately 1917 to 1930. Prior to 1917 the island railways
200 mile network was all 3'6" gauge. After 1930 it was all standard gauge.

John Riddell


Re: pre-1950 PS-1 (was New file uploaded to STMFC)

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Brian, Tim, Sam, and Group,

A big THANK YOU to all for the education regarding the pre-1950 PS-1s. It is good to have such information openly shared.

I guess I will put my undec Kadee PS-1 back on the shelf until I can make up my mind as to just which railroad to model with it.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:56 AM, <mail@kadee.com> <mail@kadee.com> wrote:

Hello Group,

I usually do not comment on this group, mostly because somebody eventually gets things pointed in the right direction, as this thread is going. However, I thought I'd fill in some yet unmentioned info about the early (pre 1950) PS-1s.
In 1947 Pullman Standard started to build their proprietary PS-1 box cars and they called them PS-1s in 1947, however, there were a number of details carried over from the AAR 40' box cars they were building to the early PS-1s. They used the AAR underframe on the first PS-1s until they began using their own designed PS-1 underframes. The actual transition date or production lot number when this happened is still unclear, at least to me. The underframe went through constant up grading through the years until the 1954 cars. The exterior visual differences were, as mentioned, the last roof panels on the ends were smooth, there were no rectangular reinforcements under the peak on the ends until 1949, the tabs on the side sills were smaller, the end ladders had straight runners on both sides, and the top end grab irons had three mounting points and the bottom grab iron was different, some of the corner stirrups were a bit different too. There were quite a number of other minor difference between the 1947 to 1949 and 1949 to 1950 and 1950 to 1954 PS-1 box cars, also, there were differences between cars from the two Pullman plants of Michigan City, IN and Bessemer, AL.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: pre-1950 PS-1 (was New file uploaded to STMFC)

Bill, Steve and Brian described some pre-1950 "PS-1" differences.
I'll take Tony's word that Pullman was using the PS-1 designation
in 1947, but there were a lot of differences not only between these
cars and later PS-1's but a number of differences between different
railroad orders for such cars. This is the reason Kadee and others
have never produced a pre-1950 "PS-1" -- there isn't just one car
to do.

IMO the best solution is a series of resin kits! All we need is
someone who knows how to build excellent masters. :-)

The 3-foot rule works ok on the layout, but not on my workbench.
The OptiVisor tells no lies!

Tim O'Connor

I have been reviewing photos for some time and it appears to me that the only revision necessary to get real close to a Bx-52 starting with the Kadee Bx-57 is to change the door to a 7-panel Superior type. I have even seen a photo of a Bx-52 with the 5-panel door version. A little more work could reshape the tap at the frame a bit. I must confess, I have no idea about the roof. From my point of view -- especially with my eyesight -- such modifications of the Kadee PS-1will pass the three foot rule.

If I am missing something, please educate me. One is never too old to learn something new. Besides, this is my next project so if I am going to screw this up it would be most helpful to know in advance.

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
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Construction details, Union Pacific B-50-42 boxcars, UP 105100-106099

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction details regarding the Union Pacific boxcars in class B-50-42, series UP 105100-106099. According to a table in the November, 1990 issue of RMJ, these cars were built by American Car and Foundry in April, 1951. A photo of UP 105238 is available at:

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=41177

What I'd like to know is:

1) The cars were equipped with either Apex Tri-Lock or Transco running boards, 500 cars each. What was the breakdown by car numbers?

2) A modeling question: Has anyone tried adapting Plano 207, a Transco running board kit for Santa Fe reefers, for boxcars? Some photos of this part are available at:

http://www.planomodelproducts.com/207.htm

3) What trucks were these cars equipped with? From the photos I have, I can't decide what type they are.

4) What brand of hand brakes were these cars built with? The table in RMJ lists Union and Universal, but for only 100 and 150 cars respectively.

5) Did ACF use the same welded underframe that Union Pacific was using on it's home-built boxcars of the same period?

6)There appears to be a Royal Type F brake regulator just ahead of the left-hand truck in the picture of UP 105238. Was the entire order built with these?

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Construction details, Union Pacific B-50-42 boxcars, UP

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction details regarding the Union Pacific boxcars in class B-50-42, series UP 105100-106099. According to a table in the November, 1990 issue of RMJ, these cars were built by American Car and Foundry in April, 1951. A photo of UP 105238 is available at:

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=41177

What I'd like to know is:

1) The cars were equipped with either Apex Tri-Lock or Transco running boards, 500 cars each. What was the breakdown by car numbers?

2) A modeling question: Has anyone tried adapting Plano 207, a Transco running board kit for Santa Fe reefers, for boxcars? Some photos of this part are available at:

http://www.planomodelproducts.com/207.htm

3) What trucks were these cars equipped with? From the photos I have, I can't decide what type they are.

4) What brand of hand brakes were these cars built with? The table in RMJ lists Union and Universal, but for only 100 and 150 cars respectively.

5) Did ACF use the same welded underframe that Union Pacific was using on it's home-built boxcars of the same period?

6)There appears to be a Royal Type F brake regulator just ahead of the left-hand truck in the picture of UP 105238. Was the entire order built with these?

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Omaha stockyards in 1925

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Craig - The best photo series from the period I've ever seen. Thanks for the link. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Zeni
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Omaha stockyards in 1925



39 really excellent photos of cars, trackwork, overviews.

<http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26579>

Craig Zeni
Join the PCRRHS at www.PCRRHS.org


Omaha stockyards in 1925

Craig Zeni
 

39 really excellent photos of cars, trackwork, overviews.

<http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26579>




Craig Zeni
Join the PCRRHS at www.PCRRHS.org


Re: Outside Braced AC&Y Gondolas

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,

A photo of Rock Island "coal gon" RI 187500 appears on page 227 of the 1931 CBC (TSC #46)

Note these cars seem different from the gon series originally in question (and pictured in the url's below).

http://acyprez.fileave.com/4261000-R01-005%20-%20Copy.jpg

http://acyprez.fileave.com/Rock%20Island%20Gon%20%20%2084588%20-%20Copy.jpg


The RI 187000-188999 series have a panel pattern and panel count that is identical to the USRA composite gon, but the cars are
longer than a USRA gon. The *entire floor* is composed of drop doors, as the photo shows the all the doors in the open position.



- Claus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Outside Braced AC&Y Gondolas


On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Luke wrote:

Thanks Richard! The AC&Y gondola lease shows a 1930 build date.
Note Al Westerfield's DEC 1930 ORER (CD) shows 2000 Rock Island
"coal gons" in the RI 187000-188999 series. These were 48'6" IL,
same as the AC&Y cars, but 5' IH. Presumably, these were delivered
with wood sides?
Yes, and drop bottom doors, so they sat higher on the underframes and
trucks.

Richard Hendrickson







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Outside Braced AC&Y Gondolas and a builders photo of CB&Q 195499

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Charlie, Bob, and List Members,

I agree with what Bob Witt said, the MT car is (in my opinion) NOT a good match at all for the subject gons. Note that MT has made
this basic carbody style in both fixed-end and drop-end versions.

There is a good match to this MT gon (the drop-end version) in the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) page 215, which shows a builders photo of CB&Q
195499, described as follows: Composite Gondola Car, Solid Bottom, Drop Ends, ARA Class GM, Length Inside 48'6"; Builder, Pressed
Steel Car Company.

The builders photo has a two-color paint scheme, with all the wood parts painted white and the metal parts painted a darker color. I
assume this paint scheme was for the photo only, and not for service. Can someone on this list confirm? Also, can anyone point us to
a in-service photo of these gons?

Lastly, page 216 of the above publication shows drawings for a similar (identical?) gon by Enterprise Railway Equipment Company.

- Claus

----- Original Message -----
From: "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Outside Braced AC&Y Gondolas


Charlie, well it is not an exact match based on this photo:
http://nscalesupply.com/MTL/MTL-61000.html

It has one less side panel and fixed ends not drop ends. The kibash
from the InterMountain USRA gondola maybe the better placed to start in
either scale. Micro-Trains sells their drop ends as separate parts.

I recall the Micro-Trains cars is a closer match for the Milwaukee Road
composite gondolas with the ten side panels.

Bob Witt

--- Charlie Vlk wrote:

Claus-
Hate to ruin your fun, but....
Micro-Trains makes a 50' single sheathed gondola with straight sides
that is a match for that car. It even cam in Rock Island so you can
paint over the RI lettering to make the AC&Y car!
Charlie Vlk


Does anyone know the original build date for these RI gons? I'm
wondering if they would be approriate for my 1929 era. As we have the
Intermountain 40-foot USRA wood-side gon available in N scale as a
starting point, this would be a fun kitbash in N scale.

- Claus




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Union Metal Products coal car panel-sides

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

The Union Metal Products in 1932 provided the C&O 1523 sets of stamped panels and hat-section stakes (parts)* or TBD assemblies for repairing USRA 70-ton (1500) and 55-ton (23). When did they start advertising these components or kits? Were they sold as kits, or side assemblies, or both? (* apparently they patented three types of stakes to go with stamped panels: stamped hat-sections, integral I-sections and bulbed channnel-sections.

When was Union Metal Products Co of Chicago formed, and when and how did it become part of the Standard Railroad Equipment Manufacturing Company? We have Union Metal Prod patents listed from 1916 through 1935.

Do we know how many total hopper cars were rebuilt with panel-side side assemblies?

Is there an in-drpth technical article on this subject?

Many thanks,

Al kresse


Re: Outside Braced AC&Y Gondolas

switchengines <jrs060@...>
 

Bob, the cars you are looking into are ex-C&NW built by the Standard Steel Car
Company as composite drop-end 70 tons cars. The C&NW rebuilt them in the early
1950's with steel sides, and if I am not mistaken, from the photo that had seen, the
rebuilding work was done at the Butler, Wis. shop tracks. Here is a builders photo to clear-up all this.

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-6&pos=0


It seems that the C&NW sold them off to both the CRI&P and ACY at some point in
time in the late 1950's, but that is well beyond my ORER's and modeling interest, so
I cannot help you with dates there.

Happiness, Jerry Stewart

In a very cold Woodstock, Ill.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Luke" <RobertELucas@...> wrote:

Looking for backround info and modeling suggestions for a unusual (ex-Rock Island?) gondolas leased by AC&Y (see pics) in the late 1950's for pipe traffic. There were ten cars, series ACY 1510-1519. ORER data shows these gons to be 70-ton, 1727 cuf, 48'11" IL, 4'0" IH, drop ends, wood floor and unknown type trucks.

I'd like to model these... am open to ideas.... perhaps kitbash two Intermountain USRA composite gons using styrene to simulate the metal sides? Any ideas appreciated. Also, would like to find drawings or additional photos.

http://acyprez.fileave.com/4261000-R01-005%20-%20Copy.jpg

http://acyprez.fileave.com/Rock%20Island%20Gon%20%20%2084588%20-%20Copy.jpg

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