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Frank Peacock

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Frank had a photo in his Oil well presentation last weekend I has more information on that I gave Frank from memory. If Frank's on the list he can get hold of me off line. If he's not, anyone have his email?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Gondola loads

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I've been thinking of a load I can put in my new Tangent gon. one that would terminate on my layout. I have Central Valley through truss bridge members I can use.

But, I'd like to try a covered load. I was thinking of a styrene base (so the car can be emptied) with several "tent poles" for lack of a better term glued upright. I would cover these with a single ply of toilet tissue. Then paint a proper color hoping the paint will make the tissue more rigid.
Anyone ever try this?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Have you found a source that demonstrates the movement of empty USA cars into Canada for lumber loading? To what era does it apply?
 
JF Garden's British Columbia Railway page 90 - photograph shows the Milwaukee barge arriving Squamish from Seattle May 23, 1957
 
Official Guide December 1963:
 
Island Tug & Barge - Railway car barge service local and interline between Seattle and Tacoma Wash. and Crofton, Duncan Bay, North Vancouver, Port Alice, Squamish, Victoria, Watson Island, Woodfibre, BC. Connecting at Seattle with UP, NP, MILW.
 
Barge lines including Foss became "rail carriers" in order to participate in the thru freight rate structure.
 
Vancouver Public Library archives VPL15152 shows a 1946 photo of a Great Northern  forklift being used to load paper at Powell River, demonstrates the extent to which the Great Northern worked with Powell River.  
 
Vancouver library VPL 4143  "Great Northern Railway cars" are shown being loaded at Marpole in 1930 or VPL 3815 same area in 1923 - "American railway box cars at the Bernard Timber..".
.
January 1949 Railroad magazine  page 16 shows a picture of a PGE barge "Inbound freight nears the end of its 42-mile journey up Howe Sound to Squamish Dock and the beginning of it's run over PGE trackage. Aboard the railroad's car ferry are some B&O boxcars: during recent months foreign traffic has increased along British Columbia's wilderness road." Mentioned only for the date.
  
Ross McLeod Calgary  




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Modeling LCL

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I'm about finished with a trailer to set by my freight house just like the big boys did. The company trailer advertizes "Dependable Daily Service"

There's a photo of Bill Daranby's layout in an ad on page 101 of the latest MR.
Behind the engine is a 'Rider' car and next, with doors open, is a company box car with LCL. The idea is that the crew drops and/or picks up packages at the stations along the way.

My current plan is we have an Eastbound LCL car set out by the through freight. The switch crew spots it at the freight house and blocks the car that was at the freight house for the next EB to pick up. I need to do the same with a west bound car.

What we have is Bill's plan of just stopping for a few minutes for LCL verses my idea of having a car spend 24 hours in one town's freight house.

Are both of they plans correct? If one or both are not. How would LCL be handled between stations and freight houses?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors

seaboard_1966
 

Bill

We are working on that as we speak...Sorry about this mess guys. This is OUR, WrightTRAKS first attempt at using a mini CD instead of paper instructions. This will NOT happen again.

Denis Blake

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors


Denis & Gary:

My roommate at Naperville who used to work at Apple did note that the small CD's will not work w/Apple computers so it will be important to have these on the WT website for downloading. CogGHS will need to have these for their "Vents" or have a link to your site for those instructions.

Although I looked at the Vent kit and do not think I need the instructions, I would like to look at them just to make sure.

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Re: M53 instructions

seaboard_1966
 

Guys


Anyone having trouble with the CD for the WrightTRAK car should email me. I will see to it that this gets taken care of. I am the one who burned the CD and was not aware that the PDF was supposed to be on there and not the word document. NO one told me different and I simply put the doc on there and not the pdf. The pdf with the heralds and what not arrived too late and we were not able to include that on the mini cd...This is our first attempt at using a mini CD and we obviously have to learn how to deal with them..Sorry for the confusion.

This is NOT Jim's fault so please don't bother him with requests for the directions. This is a WrightTRAK project so get in touch with me. Jim is our contractor for this and several of our other and upcoming projects.

We at WrightTRAK will be posting the instructions on our website so folks will be able to get them there.

Also, if you contact me I will be glad to see that the instructions get email to you.

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models

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From: "Jim King" <jimking3@charter.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] M53 instructions


There should be a .pdf on the B&O M53 mini-CD. The MicroSoft "Word" file
should not have been burned to the CD, only the .pdf, B&OHS stenciling
diagram and John Cantley's photo folder. I didn't do the burning, so don't
know what exactly got put on them.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>








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Mini Kit Pattern makers: a kick in the pants

Bill Welch
 

You may be interested to know that some of the patterns for what Martin and Ted do, both kit wise and mini kits, come from people on this list. I have done three roofs, and a set of gondola ends for Ted and one full kit for Martin, along with revamping of two of his other offering to create additional kits. Now I have promised two things for Al.

I don't say this to brag but as a gentle prod. If you have built some resin kits, you have a sense of what the patterns need to look like to be cast up. Athearn undecs supply the rivets. Get going already, this is not rocket science.

Bill Welch


Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Dennis Williams
 

Same here, Jim.
Dennis Williams
Munhall,Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net> wrote:


From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 12:46 PM


 



Of course, Steve, time has to be part of the cost of anything unless it's a
labor of love. And even that gets tiresome after a certain point. Some years
ago I sold Sunshine and resin kits as well as assembled models at local
train shows. With the miniscule discount I got from Sunshine at that time,
It was a labor of love. But I was evangelizing for resin kits.
I sometimes wish I lived near Springfield, Missouri so I could volunteer my
time at the Sunshine 'factory' to help speed up the output.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits. com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
steve l
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Jim--

I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton
has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that
"Sunshine makes little or no money on them".

I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he
quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum
wage on them.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@ ...>
wrote:

Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others.
Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia says
Sunshine makes little or no money on them. How much would you be willing
to
pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits. com
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Jim,

I will toss in my price point as requested...

For a mini-kit with decals -- around $20
For a mini-kit with decals of a car that I absolutely had to have --
around $25

It all comes down to what car is being offered and what cars are
required to complete the fleet being modeled. All of this gets to
rather personal tastes and needs rather fast.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Jim & Lisa Hayes wrote:

Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others.
Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia
says
Sunshine makes little or no money on them. How much would you be
willing to
pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com




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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Of course, Steve, time has to be part of the cost of anything unless it's a
labor of love. And even that gets tiresome after a certain point. Some years
ago I sold Sunshine and resin kits as well as assembled models at local
train shows. With the miniscule discount I got from Sunshine at that time,
It was a labor of love. But I was evangelizing for resin kits.
I sometimes wish I lived near Springfield, Missouri so I could volunteer my
time at the Sunshine 'factory' to help speed up the output.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
steve l
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Jim--

I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton
has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that
"Sunshine makes little or no money on them".

I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he
quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum
wage on them.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...>
wrote:

Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others.
Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia says
Sunshine makes little or no money on them. How much would you be willing
to
pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com



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Re: Train Fest

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

And Jim, how about mini-kits from Smoky Mountain?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim
King
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Train Fest

My hunch is that Milwaukee's Train Fest is targeted toward the general
public with very little to attract modelers interested in resin kits. At
least that's what I've heard since last year. Some year, I'll be at
Naperville too but not until I've expanded my HO offerings since that is the
main interest.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Elden, $20 was the price point I was thinking of. Over $20 and I'd think
twice (and then probably buy it anyway half the time). I think most of Ted's
Speedwitch kitbash kits would easily lend themselves to being mini-kits.
I too am constantly amazed at what's available to aircraft and armour
modelers and lament "Why not us too?"

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Jim;

I look forward to reading more from others.
Me, too. I am sure there are many bash possibilities, if for a few castings
and some decals.

Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia says
Sunshine makes little or no money on them.

I would guess it is irrelevant how little or medium sized the kit is, it is
all in the time spent assembling stuff (castings, instructions, decals), and
$10 doesn't cover it. Kits go for <$30, right?

How much would you be willing to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?
Well, here's the thing. You can't charge more than $20, since someone has
to
buy the basic core and extras (trucks, couplers), but you want to offer it
at
a reasonable price, so folks will build them. And, the decals make a huge
difference; one color, minimial? Two color BILLBOARD? The price could vary
based on how much resin and how complex the decals, right? A mini-kit with
a
few small castings and no decals could be $5. One with several (3-4) large
castings and two-color decals might be $20. Mated with a $12 body core kit
(Branchline) they have to obtain themselves, makes the whole thing sound
reasonable....

One final thing: With all the amazing little military model conversions
kits
on the market (resin, etched metal plus decals), and RTR pre-weathered but
highly detailed and era-specific military armor models (like Dragon Armor)
out there on the market, why hasn't anyone in model railroading really ever
taken either of these ideas and run with it? Have you seen those little
1:72
Dragon Armor tanks? They are like little gems! Beautiful!

Hmmmm.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

Jim--

I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that "Sunshine makes little or no money on them".

I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum wage on them.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others.
Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia says
Sunshine makes little or no money on them. How much would you be willing to
pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Train Fest

Jim King
 

My hunch is that Milwaukee's Train Fest is targeted toward the general
public with very little to attract modelers interested in resin kits. At
least that's what I've heard since last year. Some year, I'll be at
Naperville too but not until I've expanded my HO offerings since that is the
main interest.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


M53 instructions

Jim King
 

There should be a .pdf on the B&O M53 mini-CD. The MicroSoft "Word" file
should not have been burned to the CD, only the .pdf, B&OHS stenciling
diagram and John Cantley's photo folder. I didn't do the burning, so don't
know what exactly got put on them.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

Tony--

My observation of STMFC modellers' behaviour is that one often sees a car that they want to model or investigate first, then refers to the ORER. So the ORER not being entirely perfect is not an indictment of it or anyone. Rather, the ORER is but one very useful source of info for the STMFC modeller.

There are certain inferences that we collectively make in gleaning info from the ORER or any other source. Sometimes these lead to anamolies.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Yes, but since ALL freight cars in the 1950's had steel underframes
it is very reasonable to think that the car does NOT have an all
steel superstructure... I think the ORER entries for the 1955 GTW
reefers are simply misleading, if not erroneous.
I'd agree.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I list two other Wabash mini-kits. On, from 2004, is for an 82000-82513 rebuild. The other, from 2008, is an auto service USRA clone rebuild.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

I look forward to reading more from others.
Me, too. I am sure there are many bash possibilities, if for a few castings
and some decals.

Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia says
Sunshine makes little or no money on them.

I would guess it is irrelevant how little or medium sized the kit is, it is
all in the time spent assembling stuff (castings, instructions, decals), and
$10 doesn't cover it. Kits go for <$30, right?

How much would you be willing to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?
Well, here's the thing. You can't charge more than $20, since someone has to
buy the basic core and extras (trucks, couplers), but you want to offer it at
a reasonable price, so folks will build them. And, the decals make a huge
difference; one color, minimial? Two color BILLBOARD? The price could vary
based on how much resin and how complex the decals, right? A mini-kit with a
few small castings and no decals could be $5. One with several (3-4) large
castings and two-color decals might be $20. Mated with a $12 body core kit
(Branchline) they have to obtain themselves, makes the whole thing sound
reasonable....

One final thing: With all the amazing little military model conversions kits
on the market (resin, etched metal plus decals), and RTR pre-weathered but
highly detailed and era-specific military armor models (like Dragon Armor)
out there on the market, why hasn't anyone in model railroading really ever
taken either of these ideas and run with it? Have you seen those little 1:72
Dragon Armor tanks? They are like little gems! Beautiful!

Hmmmm.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Brian Carlson
 

I'm fairly certain, I saw this kit on their rack at Naperville. At least I did look at a Wabash 50' steel boxcar mini-kit, maybe they have others.
Brian Carlson

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@sympatico.ca> wrote:


From: pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@sympatico.ca>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:59 PM


 



I was pretty sure it is as you described, thus I'm throwing myself at the mercy of my fellow listers in the hopes of turning up a couple of those particular mini-kits.
Hope springs eternal.
Pierre Oliver
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@ ...> wrote:

Pierre, since the Wabash auto car was a Naperville gift way back in 1999,
it's very unlikely Sunshine would've had any on its mini-kit rack. Last week
I talked with Tricia a bit about mini-kits. Sometimes someone gives them
some masters. Sometimes someone says "If you take the doors from this and an
end from that and put them on a plastic boxcar, you have a great model of a
whatever." So then when he has time, Martin makes a few castings, has a
minimum number of decals printed and 'presto', a mini-kit is born. Note the
words few and minimum. Tricia says they don't make much, if any, money on
mini-kits and ,in almost every case, when they're gone, they're gone.
Although I have seen an occasional one pop up again. So, it's unlikely
you'll find one but hope springs eternal. Keep checking that mini-kit rack.
And eBay.

And, to reiterate for those few who don't already know this, mini-kits can't
be ordered. They're sold only at shows Sunshine attends, and the selection
is constantly changing.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits. com


Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others.
Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia says
Sunshine makes little or no money on them. How much would you be willing to
pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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