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Re: Plugging IM bodies

Joseph
 

Brian,
I usually use .035, sometimes 1/16
Joe Binish

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 8:59 PM Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I’m working on an Intermountain box car and I need to plug some of the holes in the body to re-detail it. I have found I don’t have an appropriate diameter styrene rod. What I have is too small.  Since I have to order some anyway what’s the correct one.

Brian J. Carlson




Plugging IM bodies

Brian Carlson
 

I’m working on an Intermountain box car and I need to plug some of the holes in the body to re-detail it. I have found I don’t have an appropriate diameter styrene rod. What I have is too small. Since I have to order some anyway what’s the correct one.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

mel perry
 

bob:
it boils down to semantics, the MCB had
their own definition, you hsve to remember this was a transistory period
from single sheat to double sheat and
an increase of weight and stress
mel perry

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 6:38 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
So you are saying "pocket coupler", as stenciled on the car, is the same as "coupler pocket"?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Stencil: Heavy Repairs

Bob Chaparro
 

Yes, I originally was attracted to that. This photo is now part of my presentation on chalk markings.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

Bob Chaparro
 

So you are saying "pocket coupler", as stenciled on the car, is the same as "coupler pocket"?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz

Robert kirkham
 

Well, I have to disagree on the CPR car. The CPR cars (built in the 23XXXX series; many re-built and renumbered by Clark's era) used hat section trusses, not Zs used on the Accurail car. A closer model to CPR is the Tichy USRA single sheathed boxcar with 7/8 ends, although the roof and other details are imperfect and the overall car width is slightly wide.

The Accurail car is excellent for a CNR car.

Rob Kirkham

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Out of the box, it's good for the Canadian Pacific cars it was modeled after. Light modifications will get you DM&N 3300-3399.

David Thompson


Re: Questions For The Group: Ladders & Grab Irons

Edward
 

I  imagine that installing ladders took fewer man hours than attaching the individual grab irons, especially when a car was overhauled with new siding, etc.
Whether ladders or grabs, it could depend on how railroads looked at the cost of doing things like that, in the time before professional accountants with MBA's began running them.
Ed Bommer
 


Re: Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

mark_landgraf
 

Bob

There were full size MCB couplers used on standard Gage equipment as well as 3/4 size that were popular with narrow Gage in intra-plant rr's. 

The full size MCB couplers were somewhat smaller than today's couplers. Tonnage wasn't as heavy back then. 

The coupler pocket is the same as a current day draft gear pocket. 

The coupler pocket appears to part of a full width car end casting. Whereas more modern car design attaches the coupler draft gear to the center sill. 

Mark


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:42 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
<chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

In the lower right hand corner of this 1909 boxcar is a stencil that reads "M. C. B.

Pocket Coupler". Is "M.C.B" Master Car Builders and what is a pocket coupler?

https://trovestar.com/images/Collections/0/gallery/tsg_45971_1_1.jpg

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: WP conversion

Rich C
 

It will look great when you give it The Doggett Weathering magic

On Saturday, December 7, 2019, 07:48:23 AM CST, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi guys

The Accurail conversion is ready for painting and decals for WP I have left the original roof as Tony Thompson reckons some got steel roofs at some stage. The kit bashing is not perfect as I reckon it’s slightly to high but will be a reasonable stand in.


Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



Re: Stencil: Heavy Repairs

mel perry
 

what is interesting, is the "don't load"
(if that), one would assume that this
car should have been red tagged?
mel perry

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 3:07 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Stencil: Heavy Repairs

This is Illinois Central refrigerator car 93347. This car was built in 1916.

A stencil above the sill and to the left of the door reads, "Heavy Repairs McComb 9-28-25":

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-08-19/X4319.jpg

A stencil under the reporting marks indicates the car was reweighed the following month, probably very soon after the heavy repairs.

I can't say that I've seen a "Heavy Repairs" stencil before. Was this a common practice at some point or just an Illinois Central practice?

Two other interesting marks include a white dot and a circle with a X on the sill under the door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Stencil: Heavy Repairs

Bob Chaparro
 

Stencil: Heavy Repairs

This is Illinois Central refrigerator car 93347. This car was built in 1916.

A stencil above the sill and to the left of the door reads, "Heavy Repairs McComb 9-28-25":

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-08-19/X4319.jpg

A stencil under the reporting marks indicates the car was reweighed the following month, probably very soon after the heavy repairs.

I can't say that I've seen a "Heavy Repairs" stencil before. Was this a common practice at some point or just an Illinois Central practice?

Two other interesting marks include a white dot and a circle with a X on the sill under the door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


State of Maine 1932 ARA

Gene Deimling
 

When did the Bangor and Aroostook start applying the three color State of Maine scheme to their 1932 ARA boxcars?


Thanks
Gene Deimling 
--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA


Re: RI 264000 lettering

mopacfirst
 

Interesting that the truck on RI 40921 is a style in which the lower truss members join the journal box near its bottom edge rather than higher up as on later double truss cast sideframes.  There is an HO truck made by Roundhouse that resembles this, which I've used under other 20s-built cars.

Ron Merrick


Re: Questions For The Group: Ladders & Grab Irons

Eric Lombard
 



Hello Bob and Everyone...

I see no one provides definitive information about this interesting question. Perhaps because no such rule occurred. I will take a stab at a non-definitive and inferential answer in support of that position. This claim is based on active survivors originally built or rebuilt with grabs instead of ladders and still in service after 1964. My box car database coughs up 111 series with grabs instead of ladders still active on 12-1964 (and later). These cars are clearly on their way out to the scrapyard having been originally built prior to 12-1944 but many also were rebuilt after that date but not in a way that changed the grabs. In 10-1966 a running board and full ladders were banned on all new cars, and on 1/1/1971 cars with running boards were banned in interchange. Yes, in this period there were still a few cars with grabs still in service. For example: In 1-1971, 30 in UP 180000-182346, B-50-17 (steel sheathed, grabs) were in service. These cars were rebuilt from 125900-127899, B-50-13 (wood DS, grabs) and 171500-172999, A-50-7 (wood DS, grabs) in 1935-36. The B-50-13 and A-50-7 were built 1922, so in 1971 the underframes on the B-50-17 heroes were nearing 50 years old. There are many stories like this and my data at 111 series presents an undercount since many series are yet to be traced out to their final extinction since I tend to loose interest about 1960.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL



On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 2:38 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Questions For The Group: Ladders & Grab Irons

Was there a point in time at which full-length ladders became mandatory for rolling stock in interchange service, thereby replacing individual grab irons for car roof access?

Would this have been an AAR , Master Car Builders or Federal rule?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

In the lower right hand corner of this 1909 boxcar is a stencil that reads "M. C. B.

Pocket Coupler". Is "M.C.B" Master Car Builders and what is a pocket coupler?

https://trovestar.com/images/Collections/0/gallery/tsg_45971_1_1.jpg

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: RI 264000 lettering

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Here are a couple of examples of the plain block lettering that replaced the RR Roman versions on cars repainted, although a lot of cars probably didn't ever get this scheme.  The 40xxx series were renumbered for hide service.
 
Steve Hile



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The decals in my kit appear to be for earlier times, perhaps the 'as built' version.  I, and perhaps Ron, would like a source for the the late 1950s Rock Island lettering style.

Mike Schleigh, still in frosty Grove City, Penna.



On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 12:43:34 PM EST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


What is wrong with the decals that come with the kit?

Bill Welch


Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

mel perry
 

no seams?
thsnks
mel perry

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 12:36 PM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Paul,

the roof consists of overlapping steel sheets, nothing more (no battens like the Accurail car has).
10 sheets of 3’5” and 2 of 3’-3 7/16"
This never changed.

cheers,
Fred


Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

Hi Paul,

the roof consists of overlapping steel sheets, nothing more (no battens like the Accurail car has).
10 sheets of 3’5” and 2 of 3’-3 7/16"
This never changed.

cheers,
Fred


Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Fred Jansz
 

Claus,

PLASTER CAR
WHEN EMPTY
RETURN TO GERLACH

COLLAPSIBLE BULK HEADS

best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: RI 264000 lettering

mopacfirst
 

The only thing 'wrong' with the decals that come with the kit is that they're for the original build.  More often than not, that's the situation I find myself in, as a late 50s modeler.

I will no doubt cobble the lettering together from Microscale 87-19 since I happen to have several of those.  Not sure yet about the dimensional data but I think I have enough decals from the Gothic style dimensional data Microscale set.

Thanks, Norm, for posting that shot of a hide car, that's exactly what I thought the car should look like.  Mine will probably be a hide car also, since my railroad serves the Wichita stock yards / packing house complex, and that's where I saw one of these about 1970 but I can't come up with a photo of it.

Ron Merrick