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Re: Silver Streak tank cars

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks to both Richard and Steve. I guess I'll let the Silver Streak tank cars go to someone else.

What the modeling world needs is a good GATX tank car or two but not resin. A klutz like me has such a difficult time with those.

BTW, I can supply drawings of a GATX tank car if there is a manufacturer who thinks it might do well in styrene.

Gene Green


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Yes, of course. But think of what you'll get as a trade-off. Since
Belen was the western end of the Pecos Division, you'll need both
2-10-4s and 4-8-4s of a size and elegance that the M&StL never
imagined, as well as (depending on the date you model) big brawny
3800 class 2-10-2s, freight FTs, and passenger F-3s in Warbonnet P/
L. You'll also need a bunch of map/slogan reefers and box cars and
some Caswell gondolas, all readily available in HO. You won't need
to model the Super Chief, El Cap, etc. but you will need the Grand
Canyon and the Scout, so lotsa heavyweight passenger equipment. If
that all seems like too much, you could model the El Paso district
from Belen south, with a lot of freight traffic but only one
passenger train each way (#13-14). And you can draw on the resources
of a large and very active historical society. Of course, you can
still keep some M&StL freight cars, as those traveled widely in
interchange. Welcome to big time class 1 railroading!

Richard Hendrickson




Well, I already have the Walthers Santa Fe Super Chief and a couple of Santa Fe 4-8-4s. Those Intermountain reefers are mighty tempting. And I just joined the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society. Maybe I could model Nemo, Illinois where the ATSF and M&StL had their only interchange. But Abo Canyon beckons.

Gene Green


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Gene Green wrote:
Sometime this year we will move to Belen, New Mexico which is
strictly Santa Fe country. Will I have to throw away all my M&StL
stuff and buy all Santa Fe equipment?





Yes, of course. But think of what you'll get as a trade-off. Since
Belen was the western end of the Pecos Division, you'll need both
2-10-4s and 4-8-4s of a size and elegance that the M&StL never
imagined, as well as (depending on the date you model) big brawny
3800 class 2-10-2s, freight FTs, and passenger F-3s in Warbonnet P/
L. You'll also need a bunch of map/slogan reefers and box cars and
some Caswell gondolas, all readily available in HO. You won't need
to model the Super Chief, El Cap, etc. but you will need the Grand
Canyon and the Scout, so lotsa heavyweight passenger equipment. If
that all seems like too much, you could model the El Paso district
from Belen south, with a lot of freight traffic but only one
passenger train each way (#13-14). And you can draw on the resources
of a large and very active historical society. Of course, you can
still keep some M&StL freight cars, as those traveled widely in
interchange. Welcome to big time class 1 railroading!

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Try the "What's New" page ;^)<
Well I did say I didn't look very hard <G>! It is a nice tank. I have a Tichy ATSF water tank (close enough) and it's an outstanding model. Steam era freight cars were know to pass these items frequently.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

NO, go and evangelize, show them the true way...

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Bruce Smith
 

On Wed, April 1, 2009 4:33 pm, Jon Miller wrote:
About Don not making any new kits. A week or so ago I received a
postcard about a new kit. It's a steel water tank, small such as used in
a
small town, etc. I don't see it on his site but I didn't look that hard.

Jon Miller
Jon, Folks,

Try the "What's New" page ;^)
http://www.tichytraingroup.com/index.php?page=whats_new.php

Looks pretty nice to me!
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Howard Ameling photos

Larry Kline
 

Many of the Ameling collection photos are available on line to NKP Historical and Technical Society members.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <bwelch@...> wrote:

I have been in contact with Mr. Ameling over the past few years and he was in the process of sending his negatives to the NKP Society Archives at Cleveland State University. I cannot say that I know where this process is in terms of how much has been moved there but do know that some has.

Bill Welch


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

George Simmons
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Sometime this year we will move to Belen, New Mexico which is strictly Santa Fe country. Will I have to throw away all my M&StL stuff and buy all Santa Fe equipment?
IF that were true then the would be no SPF's outside of an area basically between New York, Washington and Chicago, St Louis.

George Simmons
Dry Prong, LA


Re: Silver Streak tank cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote

Gene,
The underframe on these cars has some features in common with the
UTLX X-3 underframe, although the tank support casting are not very
close. I have one in my pile to try and see if it could be easily
married to an Intermountain tank to make a stand-in car. The hazard
diamond placards with the square background are a UTLX signature, too.







Steve is correct that the SS underframe sort of resembles a UTC
underframe (though it's clumsy and not well detailed). The tank also
scales out accurately to 8,000 gal. However, the dome is too small
in diameter and has a very thick, out of scale flange. Also, it
isn't easy to get the embossed foil tank wrapper assembled well (on
the one assembled SS model I acquired years ago, the wrapper is
seriously wrinkled and distorted). At best, these models fall far
short of current standards in accuracy and detailing and probably
aren't worth the effort to upgrade, given the better tank car models
that are now available. I'd leave those cars on e-Bay for the old
kit nostalgia foamers who are still stuck in their childhood
fantasies of half a century ago. If you want to really raise their
pulse rate, show 'em an unbuilt wood and cardboard Megow or Varney kit.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Silver Streak tank cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Gene,

The underframe on these cars has some features in common with the UTLX X-3 underframe, although the tank support casting are not very close. I have one in my pile to try and see if it could be easily married to an Intermountain tank to make a stand-in car. The hazard diamond placards with the square background are a UTLX signature, too.

The underframe is all cast metal and is held together with an interesting combination of pins and flat head screws from the underside, including the coupler boxes. Looks like they have the early Kadee couplers.

I had never gotten one in a box, so I wasn't sure of the manufacturer.

Hope this helps.

Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:39 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Silver Streak tank cars


There are two Silver Streak single-dome, 8000-gallon tank cars for sale on eBay #s 380113666781 & 380113669215.

Richard Hendrickson's article T'anks for the Memories in Learning from the Prototype book put out in conjunction with the NMRA's 1990 convention in Pittsburgh does not mention Silver Streak tank cars.

The photos accompanying the eBay listing show the silver tanks fairly well but the underframes are too dark to be seen well. It looks like both cars are assembled.

Do Silver Streak tank cars have any redeeming features?

Is the underframe another version of ACF's underframe?

The archives yielded a mere 7 messages on this topic, none of which tell me about Silver Streak tank cars. I shall search more using different search terms.

Gene Green


Re: F&C 1938 Pullman Standard Boxcars

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrall Swift" <doswift@...> wrote:

G'Day All,

I'm presently building 3 Funaro & Camerlengo 1938 Pullman Standard Boxars. I would like to upgrade the ladders as the Tichy supplied ladders appear oversized to my eye. Any suggetions for better looking ladders?

Thanks,

Darrall Swift
Darrall: I can't remember if they're exactly the right size but Kadee's ladders are excellent. The plastic they're made of is amazingly tough and the detail is great. Because the end ladders are a different shape than the side ladders you'll need extra sets.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


F&C 1938 Pullman Standard Boxcars

bn2204
 

G'Day All,

I'm presently building 3 Funaro & Camerlengo 1938 Pullman Standard Boxars. I would like to upgrade the ladders as the Tichy supplied ladders appear oversized to my eye. Any suggetions for better looking ladders?

Thanks,

Darrall Swift


Silver Streak tank cars

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

There are two Silver Streak single-dome, 8000-gallon tank cars for sale on eBay #s 380113666781 & 380113669215.

Richard Hendrickson's article T'anks for the Memories in Learning from the Prototype book put out in conjunction with the NMRA's 1990 convention in Pittsburgh does not mention Silver Streak tank cars.

The photos accompanying the eBay listing show the silver tanks fairly well but the underframes are too dark to be seen well. It looks like both cars are assembled.

Do Silver Streak tank cars have any redeeming features?

Is the underframe another version of ACF's underframe?

The archives yielded a mere 7 messages on this topic, none of which tell me about Silver Streak tank cars. I shall search more using different search terms.

Gene Green


Re: Wierd freight car names or types

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:
Gene,

If you Google "King-Lawson dump car" you should get a a result for the Google book "History of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania"...

http://tinyurl.com/ctelba

...in which (pp. 243-244) there is an interesting little bio of George Ilgenfritz King, with a short discussion of his relationship with Thomas Lawson and the development of their dump car.

Enjoy!

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA
John,
Using Google hadn't occurred to me. I was too busy searching Car Builder Cycs. Thanks for the tip. I appreciate it.

It looks like all those oddly named cars were dump cars of some sort or another.

Gene Green


Re: Weird freight car names or types

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 1, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Ingoldsby cars were also used for coal, though I think their
primary use was as ore cars. I'm not aware that there was an Ingoldsby
car builder, just a car design, but maybe someone has additional info
on this.






The Ingoldsby patents, which were for drop door operating mechanisms,
were held by the Enterprise Railway Equipment Co. (see the 1931 Car
Builders' Cyclopedia, p.289, and the 1937 issue, p. 317).


Richard Hendrickson


Re: FGEX Single Sheathed Refrigerator Car

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We offer 3 FGE kits plus 3 FGE-leased kits. See our 11600 series at www.westerfield.biz. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Smith
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FGEX Single Sheathed Refrigerator Car



On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:41 PM, railsnw1 wrote:

> I didn't know Fruit Growers Express had single sheathed cars.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cwmnzm
>
>
> Richard Wilkens

Now you do! <G> That is an ex-PRR R7 (X23). It is offered in HO by
Westerfield and over on the PRR Projects list (http://
groups.yahoo.com/group/PRRPro/) several folks are building them as
part of our FGE woody project.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Mold release...

Jack Burgess
 

Jack,
Is it necessary to glue your master part to the glass or can it
just held by gravity?
Gene Green
The master is glued to a piece of 060" styrene which is necessary to keep
resin from flowing under the pattern...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Mold release...

Gary Ray <garyeray@...>
 

I haven't tried MicroMart's resin, but putting paste wax on the glass prior to casting (and waiting
for it to glaze over) has worked well for me with Joel Bragdon's resin. I do have to wax the glass
each time, so having a few pieces available helps as you don't have to wait for the wax to glaze
over.
Gary Ray



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Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

About Don not making any new kits. A week or so ago I received a postcard about a new kit. It's a steel water tank, small such as used in a small town, etc. I don't see it on his site but I didn't look that hard.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Sometime this year we will move to Belen, New Mexico which is strictly Santa Fe country. Will I have to throw away all my M&StL stuff and buy all Santa Fe equipment?<
Yes!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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