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autoracks, ca. 1915

Paul Krueger <kruegerp@...>
 


Re: giraffe loading, 1955

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Guyz,
 
          Have to agree that the animal was sedated for the trip. Considering how much one of these critters costs, they could not afford to have it pop up it's head through an underpass, or tunnel. Let sleeping giraffes lie.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] giraffe loading, 1955
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:58 PM






Circus Stock Cars were taller than normal Automobile Box Cars, but not so much so that giraffes could stand up with their necks stretched at normal posture.
I guess they just got a pain in the neck or laid down.
Charlie Vlk

Hello Everyone,

Did they sedate the giraffe ? How did the circus do it?

John Riba
.

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Re: open load photos

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Gary,
 
        Most gonds of this type had folding ends. they folded into the car body for oversize loading. when done, it was placed upright again.

Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 10/24/08, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] open load photos
To: STMFC@..., STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:57 PM






The lumber 1935 picture shows a Northern Pacific gondola with the end removed to facilitate the extra length wood beams. How would the empty car be routed to regain its end?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink .net

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From: Paul Krueger
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: 10/24/2008 4:00:56 PM
Subject: [STMFC] open load photos

water pipe, 1935
http://tinyurl. com/5hlemu

full url:
http://content. lib.washington. edu/cdm-desmo/ item_viewer. php?CISOROOT= /imlsrailway& CISOPTR=84& CISOBOX=1& REC=26

lumber, 1935
http://tinyurl. com/57jhuv

full url:
http://content. lib.washington. edu/cdm-desmo/ item_viewer. php?CISOROOT= /imlsmohai& CISOPTR=3613& CISOBOX=1& REC=25

Paul
Seattle, WA

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Re: giraffe loading, 1955

Charlie Vlk
 

Circus Stock Cars were taller than normal Automobile Box Cars, but not so much so that giraffes could stand up with their necks stretched at normal posture.
I guess they just got a pain in the neck or laid down.
Charlie Vlk

Hello Everyone,

Did they sedate the giraffe ? How did the circus do it?

John Riba
.


Re: open load photos

gary laakso
 

The lumber 1935 picture shows a Northern Pacific gondola with the end removed to facilitate the extra length wood beams. How would the empty car be routed to regain its end?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Krueger
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 10/24/2008 4:00:56 PM
Subject: [STMFC] open load photos


water pipe, 1935
http://tinyurl.com/5hlemu

full url:
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm-desmo/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/imlsrailway&CISOPTR=84&CISOBOX=1&REC=26

lumber, 1935
http://tinyurl.com/57jhuv

full url:
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm-desmo/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/imlsmohai&CISOPTR=3613&CISOBOX=1&REC=25

Paul
Seattle, WA


Re: giraffe loading, 1955

John Riba
 

Hello Everyone,
 
  Did they sedate the giraffe ? How did the circus do it?
 
     John Riba

--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] giraffe loading, 1955
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:16 PM






Apparently so.... once in the NP "Round Roof" Automobile Box Car and once in a ACL Automobile Box Car. (two different giraffes and two different crates)
....and it doesn't look like they cut a hatch in the roof of either car.....at least Lionel did that!!! Wonder where the poor beasts came from.... and how long they
had to crouch down.....

Charlie Vlk

Would they have really loaded a giraffe in a box car?

.


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Re: giraffe loading, 1955

Charlie Vlk
 

Apparently so.... once in the NP "Round Roof" Automobile Box Car and once in a ACL Automobile Box Car. (two different giraffes and two different crates)
....and it doesn't look like they cut a hatch in the roof of either car.....at least Lionel did that!!! Wonder where the poor beasts came from.... and how long they
had to crouch down.....

Charlie Vlk

Would they have really loaded a giraffe in a box car?

.


open load photos

Paul Krueger <kruegerp@...>
 


giraffe loading, 1955

Paul Krueger <kruegerp@...>
 


autoracks, ca. 1915

Paul Krueger <kruegerp@...>
 


Re: floor drains

Bruce Smith
 

On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:51 AM, bill davis wrote:

Hi Guys,
I have a friend looking for information about floor drains were on a wooded reefer...circa 30's-40's...before Steel side?? He need to know where the
floor drains are located...and which way the "chute" part faces....I'm
guessing outward, near the 4 corners towards the
ditch next to the track.
BILL
Bill,

Yes - the drains were under the ice bunkers, usually not too close the ends of the car and they pointed straight out to the side. When closed the outboard end folded up. Many railroads, including the PRR had special cars to oil the rails on account of the corrosive effects of the salt water dripping from these drains. For underbody shots of drains I mounted on a kitbashed 37' National Car Co reefer, check out The Keystone Modeler, April 2008, #57 which is still available for free from the PRRT&HS web site (but don't wait too long!)
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm
These parts were from the Intermountain FGE wood reefer.

Regards
Bruce

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floor drains

bill davis <billcheri72@...>
 

Hi Guys,
I have a friend looking for information about floor drains were on a wooded reefer...circa 30's-40's...before Steel side?? He need to know where the
floor drains are located...and which way the "chute" part faces....I'm
guessing outward, near the 4 corners towards the
ditch next to the track.
BILL


Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Randy Hammill
 

If the NH road number 17352 below is correct, it was not fitted for
piggyback service in the May 1, 1950 ORER listing, but was by Nov 1,
1950.

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com


Thank you, Richard, I thought there was a difference in the stake
pockets but couldn't remember what it was. Santa Fe is among the
initial road names offered by IM; the others are New Haven 17352, Erie
8000, and B&O. (I can't read the Santa Fe and B&O road numbers on the
artwork.)

Walt Lankenau


Re: First offset-sides steel coal car

aslt28 <karig@...>
 

I'm afraid that Al is correct, VGN 50000 was indeed an offset side
car. It was built in 1917 as one of four prototypes for the railroad.
Al and I have been comparing notes, and we have as yet been unable to
determine the source of this design, though as Al mentions, it is
similar to some later Enterprise patents.

Any thoughts?

Bob Karig


--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The VGN 50000 was not an offset side car. It was an outside rib
battleship
gon.

According to Martin Karig in "Coal Cars the First Three Hundred
Years" The
first offset cars were built for the C&O in 1921 (pg 261) #100000 -
100999.
The first patent for the design was issued to John A. Pilcher (#
1,433,096)
on Oct 24, 1922. The next patent was issued to Enterprise
(#1,537,051) May
1925. Wine received a patent for a different offset design in 1929
(#1,698,866). A fourth patent was issued to William F. Kiesel, Jr.
Mechanical Engineer
for the PRR in 1931 (#1,834,952) and was used in the PRR class H27.
(See pg
74 of Karig) See also Karig pg 298-329 for photos. The Wine
design was
licensed to the ARA and was adopted as the 1928 standard practice
design.

Rich Or


SOUTHERN PACIFIC SPEEDWITCH KIT

Paul Lyons
 

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Re: B&M XM-1 Boxcar Decals for HO, circa 1942?

Thorsten Petschallies <Thorsten.Petschallies@...>
 

You are right the Minuteman scheme wasn't introduced until 1946.
The rectangular herald would be right for 1942.
IIRC F+C includes this in there decal set for their XM-1.
Another option might be the Westerfield decal set for their USRA DS Boxcar, which includes all styles from early heralds to Minuteman.

Thorsten Petschallies

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From: "parkcitybranch" <parkcitybranch@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] B&M XM-1 Boxcar Decals for HO, circa 1942?


I am looking for some decals to do an Overland Models Boston and Maine
XM-1 boxcar. Any suggestions on decals for this car? I model 1942.
I saw that F&C does a minute man decal for the car but I think I read
somewhere the minuteman scheme wasn't introduced until 1946.

Jason Sanford


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Re: Duryea underframe usage

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresse wrote:
C&O cabooses also had Duryea underframes for a while. To "cushion" you need to generate heat or wasted energy to reduce/absorb longitudinal shock loadings. The Duryea spring system did get some sliding friction to absorb some of the energy . . . but not like a shock absorber.
You are right about the Duryea underframe--its main feature was the spring action, which does help with slack action, but really does NOT cushion the load very much. As you say, to reduce shock loading, energy has to be absorbed, for example in a stack of interleaved friction plates. Of course springs absorb energy when exercised, but they STORE it almost completely, and eventually will release it when loads are reduced. That can even out slack action, but does NOT reduce peak loads due to shock or impact. That's why later cushion underframes entirely superseded the Duryea-type designs.
At least that's how I understand it.

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Detroit Chemical Works

destron@...
 

Does anyone know of photos of tank cars of the Detroit Chemical Works (DCWX)?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society�s Website

water.kresse@...
 

I would also think that it would help avoiding frozen coal deliveries up north during the wintertime.

Al Kresse

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From: John Stokes <ggstokes@...>

Apparently the box was converted, or originally built, to carry coal in bulk,
with top loading hatches and side unloading doors. Very interesting arrangement.
Would make an interesting model, something to do with those surplus wooden box
cars.

John Stokes
bellevue, WA



To: STMFC@...: riverob@...: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:55:23
+0000Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical
Societys Website




It looks like the WCC car has roof hatches.Rob Simpson--- In
STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" wrote:>
Transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin > Coal Co.) to
the narrow gauge trucks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy & > Peoria Railway at Iron
Mountain, Wisconsin., c 1900> >
http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=24529






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Re: Duryea underframe usage

water.kresse@...
 

C&O cabooses also had Duryea underframes for a while. To "cushion" you need to generate heat or wasted energy to reduce/absorb longitudinal shock loadings. The Duryea spring system did get some sliding friction to absorb some of the energy . . . but not like a shock absorber.

Al Kresse

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From: "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...>
I've been under the impression that the Duryea underframe was an early
form of what became known as a "cushion" underframe in the 60's. So I
can certainly understand its application to boxcars. And I suppose
some flatcar and gondola loads would benefit from a cushion underframe.

But I see that Duryea underframes were even applied to hoppers. Why?

Walt Lankenau