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Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Prototype B&O W-7's had Duryea underframes, so the Accurail triple
bay offset side hopper is not quite right.

I did not help with that one. Nor the 1956 Athearn quad hopper.





--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:57 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

After watching obscure ATSF and Missouri Pacific versions of
popular
car types come out because of some consultant's favorite
railroad,
it's
feels good to win one.

Jim Mischke
B&OHS Model Committee
Jim,
Uhh, what I don't quite understand is why there wasn't a similar
vague
reference to the obscure Accurail triple offset-side AAR 70-ton
hopper
car that was ONLY correct (albeit poorly rendered Z-sections on the
ends) for 1,000 B&O W-7 cars produced in 1947. I've often wondered
how
that "rare" car happened to be selected when there were other
superior
choices. Surely the decision wasn't made by some self-interested
B&O
modeler. At any rate, I'm glad you have learned the process of how
to
get self-interest models produced. Among other good choices, could
the
B&O version of the AAR 50-ton hopper car (a car that was built in
huge
numbers) be far away? <g>
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: NYC PMcK&Y USRA S-S box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:
Looking at a Youngstown Steel Door Co. ad on the rear cover of the June 17, 1937 issue of Railway Age shows PMcK&Y USRA single-sheathed box car number S-81290 before and after rebuilding . . .
When rebuilding the car would the truss members be left in place? Reused somehow? Discarded with a new structure attached to the side sill?
Gene, rebuilding these cars normally used modern sheet steel sides, as in the case of these PMcK&Y cars and many others. The new sides did not need diagonal truss members but had inside posts, as with other steel box cars.

How did the car get wider?
By not including the width of the truss, the car skin could be at the outside of the car width. You can see it on the ends, which usually had to be widened or replaced to accommodate the new inside width.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: NYC PMcK&Y USRA S-S box cars

Don Burn
 

Gene,

Martin Lofton's article about USRA rebuilds in Sept 1989 RMC shows a series of pictures for a Rock Island rebuild, they did not use the truss members only the frame/floor and the ends. That photo series has a comment about sheet metal extensions to widen the car.

Don Burn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] NYC PMcK&Y USRA S-S box cars


Looking at a Youngstown Steel Door Co. ad on the rear cover of the
June 17, 1937 issue of Railway Age shows PMcK&Y USRA single-sheathed
box car number S-81290 before and after rebuilding. If it is,
indeed, the same car it has been renumbered 83400 when rebuilt. The
ad claims the rebuilt car is 4" higher and 3" wider.

When rebuilding the car would the truss members be left in place?
Reused somehow? Discarded with a new structure attached to the side
sill?

Three inches extra width is approximately the thickness of the
original wooden sides. Surely the rebuilt car is double-sheathed.

How did the car get wider?

What does the "S-" in the original number represent? I am sure I am
not the first to ask this question but I couldn't find an answer in
the archives. Searching for "NYC" plus "S-" yields every message
containing NYC and any word beginning with the letter S.

Would any of the original single-sheathed USRA box cars on the NYC
(any number series) have survived until 1950 without being rebuilt?

Would the paint scheme on the rebuilt car have survived from 1934
rebuilding all the way to scrapping? The picture shows pretty
standard lettering with the PMcK&Y reporting marks and a New York
Central Lines herald with the box car color as the background color.
A lot number that is almost legible is above the herald.

Sorry for such a long message. Should I post a scan of the ad
somewhere?

Gene Green
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NYC PMcK&Y USRA S-S box cars

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Looking at a Youngstown Steel Door Co. ad on the rear cover of the
June 17, 1937 issue of Railway Age shows PMcK&Y USRA single-sheathed
box car number S-81290 before and after rebuilding. If it is,
indeed, the same car it has been renumbered 83400 when rebuilt. The
ad claims the rebuilt car is 4" higher and 3" wider.

When rebuilding the car would the truss members be left in place?
Reused somehow? Discarded with a new structure attached to the side
sill?

Three inches extra width is approximately the thickness of the
original wooden sides. Surely the rebuilt car is double-sheathed.

How did the car get wider?

What does the "S-" in the original number represent? I am sure I am
not the first to ask this question but I couldn't find an answer in
the archives. Searching for "NYC" plus "S-" yields every message
containing NYC and any word beginning with the letter S.

Would any of the original single-sheathed USRA box cars on the NYC
(any number series) have survived until 1950 without being rebuilt?

Would the paint scheme on the rebuilt car have survived from 1934
rebuilding all the way to scrapping? The picture shows pretty
standard lettering with the PMcK&Y reporting marks and a New York
Central Lines herald with the box car color as the background color.
A lot number that is almost legible is above the herald.

Sorry for such a long message. Should I post a scan of the ad
somewhere?

Gene Green
OitwTtoEP


Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

Does anyone make a Duryea underframe conversion kit? Or is the best thing
to fake it by extending the coupler pockets?

Rich Orr

In a message dated 10/21/2008 3:21:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmischke@... writes:


Prototype B&O W-7's had Duryea underframes, so the Accurail triple
bay offset side hopper is not quite right.

I did not help with that one. Nor the 1956 Athearn quad hopper.





--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:57 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

After watching obscure ATSF and Missouri Pacific versions of
popular
car types come out because of some consultant's favorite
railroad,
it's
feels good to win one.

Jim Mischke
B&OHS Model Committee
Jim,
Uhh, what I don't quite understand is why there wasn't a similar
vague
reference to the obscure Accurail triple offset-side AAR 70-ton
hopper
car that was ONLY correct (albeit poorly rendered Z-sections on the
ends) for 1,000 B&O W-7 cars produced in 1947. I've often wondered
how
that "rare" car happened to be selected when there were other
superior
choices. Surely the decision wasn't made by some self-interested
B&O
modeler. At any rate, I'm glad you have learned the process of how
to
get self-interest models produced. Among other good choices, could
the
B&O version of the AAR 50-ton hopper car (a car that was built in
huge
numbers) be far away? <g>
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Freight car distribution, but not the usual question.

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Frank, you most mean South Eastern Ontario? SW has only the CN along
the 11 highway and the CP along the 17 highway...or are the roads the
other way around? The only two E/W roads anyway. One is along the
border CN and the other is a 100 or so miles north CP.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...> wrote:


I'm curious as to whether southwestern Ontario was an exceptional
case
to the "standard" distribution ratios given for the US as a whole and
Canada as a whole, given the presence of the CASO/NYC and the PM/C&O?
Was there a higher-than-usual density of US freight cars in that area
than elsewhere in Canada?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Erie Box Car Image

Larry Kline
 

Eric Neubauer's book _Philadelphia & Reading Freight Cars: 1900 to 1914_ has drawings and photos of a similar Pressed Steel box car built in 1901 for the Reading, as well as many other contemporary freight cars. See the books link at:
http://ericsrailroadcarhistory.com/

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Al Westerfield wrote:

Bob - The Erie car was built by Pressed Steel Car Co. circa 1902. I have the builder's photo but can't locate it at the moment. It was a standard design
they used for about 3 years. The trucks are PSC's version of the Fox trucks but not Fox. Erie also ordered 50' furniture cars of the same design; a photo and plan appear in the 1906 CBD. The box car and Iowa Central car are identical except for so trim details.


COSX, MP interesting photos

Robert kirkham
 

Some shots on E-bay of interest tonight:
- COSX 823 and partial view of an automobile boxcar - auction 200246244737 and 200265616565
- some machines for tracking freight cars - what's the story? auction 120296511677
- MP90150 and other car - auction 200265615115

Not my auction or photos etc - just curious.

Rob Kirkham


Re: Walthers Michigan ore car (NEW)

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Westerfield is working on a kit for a HO scale model of the 50 ton
Summers ore car - used by DSS&A, Soo, DM&N, D&IR (later
DM&IR).

Cyril Durrenberger

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, Bob Hainstock <boblh@...> wrote:
From: Bob Hainstock <boblh@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Walthers Michigan ore car (NEW)
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:02 PM











While I will admit that I am somewhat glad that Walthers is

producing these 70 ton cars, I really keep hoping that someone

would mass-produce a 50 ton steel ore car, a much more common

car in the steam era of the ore operations of the Michigan

upper peniunsula ore operations.



I've heard rumors that Tichy was considering a car design that

C&NW, Soo, and DSS&A each used, I've not heard anymore about

that project. Is there any news on that front?



And yes I do have some of the excellent Westerfield GN cars,

also used by the Lake Superior and Ishpeming.



And a note of possible interest regarding the width of the

"Michigan" car. And okay I admit that this is outside of steam

era: the Wisconsin Central had to remove every other track in

the old Escanaba C&NW ore yard when the yard was converted over

to handling regular freight cars.



Bob Hainstock


























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Re: Clinchfield PS-3 3 bay hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 20, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:

Anyone know the Pullman Standard Job # for the CRR PS-3 3 bay hoppers;
52000 series, built 1958?
Curt,
Lot 8362, 52500-52749 (52000-52499 were twin PS-3s built in 1953).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Clinchfield PS-3 3 bay hoppers

Curt Fortenberry <arrphoto@...>
 

Anyone know the Pullman Standard Job # for the CRR PS-3 3 bay hoppers;
52000 series, built 1958?

Curt Fortenberry


Freight car distribution, but not the usual question.

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

I'm curious as to whether southwestern Ontario was an exceptional case
to the "standard" distribution ratios given for the US as a whole and
Canada as a whole, given the presence of the CASO/NYC and the PM/C&O?
Was there a higher-than-usual density of US freight cars in that area
than elsewhere in Canada?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Walthers Michigan ore car (NEW)

Bob Hainstock <boblh@...>
 

While I will admit that I am somewhat glad that Walthers is
producing these 70 ton cars, I really keep hoping that someone
would mass-produce a 50 ton steel ore car, a much more common
car in the steam era of the ore operations of the Michigan
upper peniunsula ore operations.

I've heard rumors that Tichy was considering a car design that
C&NW, Soo, and DSS&A each used, I've not heard anymore about
that project. Is there any news on that front?

And yes I do have some of the excellent Westerfield GN cars,
also used by the Lake Superior and Ishpeming.

And a note of possible interest regarding the width of the
"Michigan" car. And okay I admit that this is outside of steam
era: the Wisconsin Central had to remove every other track in
the old Escanaba C&NW ore yard when the yard was converted over
to handling regular freight cars.

Bob Hainstock


Re: NH 1937 AAR boxcars

Peter Ness
 

Hi Brian,
I'll have to check the original drawings when I return home next
weekend. For last week and this I'm looking at scanned (and poorly at
that) images of the drawings from my current location.

Your math and suggested journal sizes certainly works.

Peter

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@> wrote:

Note the NH cars were equipped with 8 1/2 x 10
journals...read the capy data on the cars, these were not 50ton
trucks.
Not true. Although it's interesting that NH stenciled a 120000
Capy on
the cars, if you add the LdLmt and LtWt the sum is 169,000 lbs.,
which
means 5-1/2" X 10" journal size, or 50 ton trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Erie Box Car Image

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Bob - The Erie car was built by Pressed Steel Car Co. circa 1902. I have the builder's photo but can't locate it at the moment. It was a standard design they used for about 3 years. The trucks are PSC's version of the Fox trucks but not Fox. Erie also ordered 50' furniture cars of the same design; a photo and plan appear in the 1906 CBD. The box car and Iowa Central car are identical except for so trim details. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Erie Box Car Image


--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:
>
> Here is an image of an Erie box car parked along side the Greigsville
> Feed Mill in the town of York, New York. There's no date on the
> picture but this looks to be a bit before the jet age.
>
> Would those be Fox trucks on this car?
> >
http://www.yorkhistorical.org/Greigsviille/FromBarbItem4GreigsvilleFeedM
> illOldStateRoad.jpg
>
> (This link is TWO LINES LONG so be sure to use BOTH LINES to access
the
> link.)
>
> Bob Chaparro
> Hemet, CA
>

The Iowa Central had box cars that were quite similar to the ERIE car
pictured in that they, too, had Fox trucks, a pressed steel side sill
and were less than 40 ft. long. An example survives at North Freedom
wearing a later M&StL paint scheme.

Gene Green


Re: Erie Box Car Image

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:


The Iowa Central had box cars that were quite similar to the ERIE car
pictured in that they, too, had Fox trucks, a pressed steel side sill
and were less than 40 ft. long. An example survives at North Freedom
wearing a later M&StL paint scheme.

Gene Green

More info on the M&St.L cars here:

http://www.midcontinent.org/collectn/woodfrt/mstl4570.html

Dennis


Re: NH 1937 AAR boxcars

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

Note the NH cars were equipped with 8 1/2 x 10
journals...read the capy data on the cars, these were not 50ton
trucks.
Not true. Although it's interesting that NH stenciled a 120000 Capy on
the cars, if you add the LdLmt and LtWt the sum is 169,000 lbs., which
means 5-1/2" X 10" journal size, or 50 ton trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


NEFF RPM photo links

bnpmodeler
 

Greetings all; please pardon the cross-posting;

Well, the dust has settled and we are all back at our regularly
scheduled tasks, etc. I just wanted to once again say thanks to all
for a great Northeastern Fallen Flags RPM meet. I have been thinking
about next year already, but I need to consult with my co-organizers
before we put a date out, so please stay tuned and we'll get that
info out as soon as possible.

In the meantime, I wanted to apprise you all of two web links that
will take you to some great photos of this meet.

The first was put up by Dave Oleson:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23708106@N00/sets/72157607943082982/

The second by Paul Tupaczewski:
http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-10-15-08

My sincere thanks to both Dave and Paul, and check out those links
and whet your appetite for next year's event.

Sincerely;

Jim Harr
NEFF RPM Co-Organizer


Re: Erie Box Car Image

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

Here is an image of an Erie box car parked along side the Greigsville
Feed Mill in the town of York, New York. There's no date on the
picture but this looks to be a bit before the jet age.

Would those be Fox trucks on this car?
http://www.yorkhistorical.org/Greigsviille/FromBarbItem4GreigsvilleFeedM
illOldStateRoad.jpg

(This link is TWO LINES LONG so be sure to use BOTH LINES to access
the
link.)

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
The Iowa Central had box cars that were quite similar to the ERIE car
pictured in that they, too, had Fox trucks, a pressed steel side sill
and were less than 40 ft. long. An example survives at North Freedom
wearing a later M&StL paint scheme.

Gene Green


Re: SP Flat Car Image

Tim O'Connor
 

Nice pic, thanks! 52ft flat car, class F-50-14, only 2 or 3
years old when that photo was taken.

Tim O'Connor

At 10/20/2008 04:06 AM Monday, you wrote:
I found an image of an SP flat car with a load of very large barrels on
a site featuring historic photos from Livermore, CA.

The image is described as follows:

"Livermore Barrel Factory (Canton Barrel Factory), in the building of
the former Pioneer Winery. On the north side of Railroad Ave between N
and O, where the Bank of America is now, 1939-1940. Ernest Cigliuti 2nd
from right. Sign at far right: "Office of Canton Barrel Inc Livermore
Branch". The barrels are on SP 49568 railroad car."

Here is the link:

http://www.elivermore.com/photos/Hist_lvr_winery_1.htm

The image is half-way down the page.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA