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Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar
william darnaby
I seem to remember that there was a height issue as in too short. I built one of these years ago and it just looked too short to me. I must have compared it to published drawings and concluded that was so because I ended up selling the completed car on Ebay.
Bill Darnaby
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:52 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar
I also built one of these C&O cars several years ago. https://i0.wp.com/designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150805_candoxm.jpg
I finished it up in 2015, snapped a few photos, then shipped it off to a friend’s layout.
Wasn’t there a height issue with these models?
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Rich and all,
Attached are a couple of photos of the F&C built car sitting in Northumberland yard.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends
rdgbuff56
Clark, How do I find out if ends are available? Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 10:18:00 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote: I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors. Also used his 3 panel doors on M&StL auto cars. Talked to Kieth about his castings at CCB. Sounded like he can still produce them. I think his are better looking than the IM model myself. CW Propst
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Re: Priming w/Yellow
Mont Switzer
A few years ago I painted John Deere, Caterpillar and International Harvester HO scale models. Maybe the way I did it was cheating, but it worked.
In all 3 cases I went to those respective equipment dealers and purchased aerosol cans of their touch up paint. I then sprayed each one into a new paint bottle the size that fits my airbrush. The paint was usually a little thick so I added lacquer thinner to get the right consistency to use in my air brush, a Pasche VL.
Sometime in the early 1970’s CAT took the lead out of their paint resulting in a more golden hue. No problem. CAT had touchup paint for before and after.
Tractor guys are pretty resinous about their restorations.
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of gtws00 via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:32 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Priming w/Yellow
I was looking to paint a Harvester/Combine model a bright shade of red that I custom mixed and a Cat D7 yellow as well. I could not get the red to look the way I wanted and tried an experiment using yellow, white and gray Badger Primer
that I sprayed on a small styrene sheet. Attached are two photos showing the difference of covering the sheet with my red. I picked the neutral yellow for my base and have been now using it under my Boxcar Reds as well. I have been very pleased with the results
so far. I have attached a photo of a brown I mixed and applied over the neutral yellow for my IC Mini-Kit as well. Attachments:
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Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar
Clark Propst
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:
They were before my time Mont. Bet you could Google them? They have to go back a ways. I do have a photo of cloth sacks on a packing machine, don't know if it's dated? I have photos of paper sacks being filled at the packing machine, being 'trucked' into a box car, braced in a box car, or later (60s) coming off a palletizing machine. Also first experiments with shipping sacks on flat beds. In Iowa trucks were not allowed to haul out of cement plants until 1960. There's a Lehigh plant in Mitchel Ind. The Lehigh plant here used Mitchel transport co. to haul their products. Have to think there's a connection. CW Propst
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Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends
Paul Bizier
Clark: Do you have contact info for Keith? Or can you act as go between? I also had a reservation with Caboose...no joy... Thanks, Paul Bizier
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Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends
gtws00
Looking good Clark! Like the black doors, ends and roof
Nicely done. George Toman
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Re: Priming w/Yellow
gtws00
I was looking to paint a Harvester/Combine model a bright shade of red that I custom mixed and a Cat D7 yellow as well. I could not get the red to look the way I wanted and tried an experiment using yellow, white and gray Badger Primer that I sprayed on a small styrene sheet. Attached are two photos showing the difference of covering the sheet with my red. I picked the neutral yellow for my base and have been now using it under my Boxcar Reds as well. I have been very pleased with the results so far. I have attached a photo of a brown I mixed and applied over the neutral yellow for my IC Mini-Kit as well.
Badger usually sells this primer at the Collinsville RPM a discounted price and comes in 12 colors. George Toman Willow Springs, IL
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Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar
Mont Switzer
Clark,
I had never heard of shipping cement in barrels.
I know early cement loads shipped by truck consisted of bags stacked on flat bed trailers. I just figured rail shipments were bags stacked in boxcars.
What were the barrels made of?
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar
Cement was shipped in barrels for years. Many company's logos were round to fit the top of a barrel. Cement was still being sold by the barrel into the 60s. Maybe the 70s? Four sacks of regular Portland cement equal a barrel. Works out
to 94 lbs per sack nowadays.
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Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar
Clark Propst
Cement was shipped in barrels for years. Many company's logos were round to fit the top of a barrel. Cement was still being sold by the barrel into the 60s. Maybe the 70s? Four sacks of regular Portland cement equal a barrel. Works out to 94 lbs per sack nowadays.
CW Propst
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Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends
Clark Propst
I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors. Also used his 3 panel doors on M&StL auto cars. Talked to Kieth about his castings at CCB. Sounded like he can still produce them. I think his are better looking than the IM model myself.
CW Propst
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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
William Hirt
The track is still inside the Martin Bomber Building. I used to go regularly to Global Weather Central (or Center depending on the commander at the time) to coordinate backup activities. One day we had a fire alarm while I was there and I went with our hosts out to north side of the building. I had some time to look around because of that. The inside tracks and loading dock was still there. My grandfather worked there building bombers in World War II. Bil Hirt
On 3/16/2020 7:47 PM, John Larkin via
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Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
Benjamin Scanlon
-- Ben Scanlon Tottenham, England
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Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar
Eric Hansmann
I also built one of these C&O cars several years ago. https://i0.wp.com/designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150805_candoxm.jpg
I finished it up in 2015, snapped a few photos, then shipped it off to a friend’s layout.
Wasn’t there a height issue with these models?
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:28 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar
Rich and all,
Attached are a couple of photos of the F&C built car sitting in Northumberland yard.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar
Chuck Cover
Rich and all,
Attached are a couple of photos of the F&C built car sitting in Northumberland yard.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 02:33 AM, Paul Woods wrote:
And a general question to the group: Presumably these loads would have required a decent sort of lock on the doors to prevent loss en-route....were they just a run-of-the-mill padlock type of affair or was there some standardisation, and were they applied by the railroad Agent or by the shipper?Car seals. A padlock can be picked, then snapped shut again after the pilferage is done, leaving the RR liable for the shortage. A car seal needs to be cut, leaving evidence of the deed. Security of shipments relied more on vigilant policing (which is why railroads had police departments) than strong locks. Subterfuge helped also; once sealed that carload of beer didn't look any different than a carload of anvils. Which is one of the reasons that all the gaudy brewery paint schemes disappeared from brewery owned cars early. Any value of advertising was more than offset by the increased pilferage that came with making the cars marked targets. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Priming w/Yellow
Bill Welch
I have no idea Scott.
Bill Welch
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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
Scott
Tim can you post a few car numbers from the ORER of the 11ft cars please. I have a Bomber Boxcar in my stash would like to run it 1950ish.
Thanks Scott McDonald
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Re: Priming w/Yellow
Scott
Bill can you sand this primer or is it Vallejo that forms a tough film?
Scott McDonald
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Re: Priming w/Yellow
Bill Welch
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:42 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:
Jeff: Several thin coats. I was also priming another roof and the Klasing Brake Wheel for the model during the same session. This is an Acrylic so it drys pretty quickly so with thin coats I could get coverage I wanted in one AB session. I forgot to say that I sprayed with my Badger 155 Anthem AB w/.75mm needle/nozzle combo at 20 PSI. My modeling friend and list member George Toman put me onto the Neutral Yellow primer. he used it before painting with a Box Car Red and said he like the look of the BCR over the yellow. I plan to do this too on my WABASH war emergency build. Bill Welch
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Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Richard, Please allow me to add to the other suggestions that this car (series 9500-9999) is covered on Plate 37 of FREIGHT CAR EQUIPMENT OF THE CHESAPEAKE & OHIO RAILWAY, AUGUST 1, 1937. The reprint with additions to the original work was edited Carl W. Shaver, and I believe is still available from Chesapeake & Ohio Historical Society. Plate 37 includes builder's photos taken from the side, as well as both ends, plus the general arrangement drawing. The end photos are slightly larger than an O-scale model, and show some really useful details. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:53 PM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:
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