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Items listed for sale

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

I have a variety of items currently listed on eBay that may be of interest
(note: you can easily navigate items listed from the store category menu on
the left-hand side)

http://stores.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Among the listings are:

- Kadee PS-1 box cars
- Middle Division, Microscale, and Thinfilm decal sets
- Westside and Precision Scale brass HO scale wood sheathed cabooses
- An out-of-print PRR Passenger Painting and Lettering book, very nice!
- MDC, P2k, IMRC and other steam era freight cars
- Various books covering steam era railroads

I'll post plenty more goodies over the next several days and weeks.

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@pacbell.net


Re: Reciprocal switching - and the lack of it.

Greg Martin
 

Tim,

It depends on the switching district agreements. It is very possible that this was the case.

Greg Martin

In a message dated 12/08/08 18:18:30 Pacific Standard Time, timboconnor@comcast.net writes:

Yes, and therefore by definition, this violates the definition
of reciprocal switching as we have been talking about. It sounds
to me like Erie received trackage rights, and gave trackage
rights in turn.

And I don't know you well enough for sarcasm.

Tim

At 12/8/2008 08:51 PM Monday, you wrote:
Tim, I know it was a long email for your attention span, but that IS what the last line says . . .

SGL

(just so nobody gets twisty about this, Tim and I know each other . . .)


So in your example Schuyler, Erie was able to physically switch
Moon Milling in return for trackage rights given to the D&H?

Tim O'

Gene Green innocently asked:

What is meant by the term "reciprocal switching?"
a lack of reciprocal switching could be a powerful thing: In Binghamton NY, my
hometown, there was a company called Moon Milling. This has been shown in many photographs
through
the years, because Moon is one of a series of buildings which make great backdrops for model
railroad layouts.

The situation was this: Moon Milling was across the ERIE mainline tracks from the ERIE's
Binghamton
station. But, the D&H's last few rods of track joined the ERIE main at just about that point.
This
meant that the D&H had the switching rights to Moon, not the ERIE. This wouldn't have been much
of
an issue if the D&H was the shipper of choice for Moon, and/or if most of Moon's inbound traffic
came from the D&H. The best information I have says that for both cases it was the ERIE. So, here
we have a situation where the cars to Moon would arrive on the ERIE, but have to be interchanged
to
the D&H, which would then spot the car. The straight-line distance from the station building to
the
finally-delivered car is probably >100', maybe less than 80'.

Moon noticed that sometimes their cars would arrive on the ERIE, and be interchanged to the D&H,
and
then spotted at their unloading spot, and it would take two days to get that done. This was an
annoying delay. In addition, there was an inequitable split of fees, because the D&H was the
terminating road, and got a good chunk of the billing, for handling the car maybe a quarter-mile
all
together.

So, the ERIE wanted to get rid of the D&H's division of the rate. Moon wanted their cars as soon
as
they could come in. But the D&H didn't >want< to give up their juicy share of money for so little
work. How to resolve this? Well, the D&H was interested in making a connection with the Lehigh
Valley; the nearest connection was at Owego, west of Binghamton, and at Owego the ERIE crossed
the
LV tracks. Eventually, the D&H was given trackage rights to Owego to connect with the LV, and the
ERIE got to switch Moon Milling.

SGL

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Re: The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is a full house

Greg Martin
 

Group,

Shake N Take has been a success in Cocoa Beach and now kind of a focus for the event. So to try to duplicate it at another events would require me retiring and lots of travel. Neither of which is going to happen anytime soon.

Greg Martin


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC Garth G. Groff

Cudahy Packing Co. is listed as "No. Salt Lake (Not in S.L. Switching
Yard Limit)".
Garth, unless you typo'd a period instead of a t, I'm suggesting here that "No." means North, as in
North Salt Lake. Or does that not make sense?

SGL


Re: Reciprocal switching - and the lack of it.

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes, and therefore by definition, this violates the definition
of reciprocal switching as we have been talking about. It sounds
to me like Erie received trackage rights, and gave trackage
rights in turn.

And I don't know you well enough for sarcasm.

Tim

At 12/8/2008 08:51 PM Monday, you wrote:
Tim, I know it was a long email for your attention span, but that IS what the last line says . . .

SGL

(just so nobody gets twisty about this, Tim and I know each other . . .)


So in your example Schuyler, Erie was able to physically switch
Moon Milling in return for trackage rights given to the D&H?

Tim O'

Gene Green innocently asked:

What is meant by the term "reciprocal switching?"
a lack of reciprocal switching could be a powerful thing: In Binghamton NY, my
hometown, there was a company called Moon Milling. This has been shown in many photographs
through
the years, because Moon is one of a series of buildings which make great backdrops for model
railroad layouts.

The situation was this: Moon Milling was across the ERIE mainline tracks from the ERIE's
Binghamton
station. But, the D&H's last few rods of track joined the ERIE main at just about that point.
This
meant that the D&H had the switching rights to Moon, not the ERIE. This wouldn't have been much
of
an issue if the D&H was the shipper of choice for Moon, and/or if most of Moon's inbound traffic
came from the D&H. The best information I have says that for both cases it was the ERIE. So, here
we have a situation where the cars to Moon would arrive on the ERIE, but have to be interchanged
to
the D&H, which would then spot the car. The straight-line distance from the station building to
the
finally-delivered car is probably >100', maybe less than 80'.

Moon noticed that sometimes their cars would arrive on the ERIE, and be interchanged to the D&H,
and
then spotted at their unloading spot, and it would take two days to get that done. This was an
annoying delay. In addition, there was an inequitable split of fees, because the D&H was the
terminating road, and got a good chunk of the billing, for handling the car maybe a quarter-mile
all
together.

So, the ERIE wanted to get rid of the D&H's division of the rate. Moon wanted their cars as soon
as
they could come in. But the D&H didn't >want< to give up their juicy share of money for so little
work. How to resolve this? Well, the D&H was interested in making a connection with the Lehigh
Valley; the nearest connection was at Owego, west of Binghamton, and at Owego the ERIE crossed
the
LV tracks. Eventually, the D&H was given trackage rights to Owego to connect with the LV, and the
ERIE got to switch Moon Milling.

SGL

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Re: Carbody Window Screens

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I took some clear styrene .005"-.010" sheet, and scratched the face
of it once in a straight line with 220- or 400-grit sandpaper. I
scratched it again at a right angle from the previous scratching.

Then I applied a thin wash of Tamiya (any model acrylic paint would
work) flat black paint, rubbing off the excess with a facial tissue.

The result is a very dirty looking HO-scale screen.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:

-Bob, I can't recall who recommended it to me, but I've been
experimenting with a easily available material. Lipton teabags.
Not the regular paper, but their premium line which comes in
little mesh bags. I've used an india ink/alcohol wash to tint
it a little gray but it retains a bit of shine. OK for new
screen I guess. Haven't tried making it rusty yet.
Project isn't yet to the stage of dull coat and now I'm not sure
if I'll mask it off before risking it getting filled with dull coat.
If you try it, please let us know how you fare.
Regards,
Chuck Peck



-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, chapbob@ wrote:

Does anyone have a favorite product to recommend for HO scale
window screens
as found on cabooses, camp cars, etc.?

What I'm looking for is a fine mesh, but not so fine as to
totally
hide the
window behind it.

Thanks!
Bob Chapman
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Re: Reciprocal bitching

Schuyler Larrabee
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "brianehni" <behni@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@>
wrote:
Well, as they say, stuff happens, and we all
realize that everyone makes mistakes (most of us, anyway).

Dennis
I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong. 8^)

Brian Ehni
Just Couldn't Resist, TN
I had a professor in grad school who frequently said "The only people
who don't make mistakes are those who do nothing at all." His
follow-up to that was "Progress is making new mistakes, not repeating
the same old ones."

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA
I make no mistakes. Sometimes, however, I achieve novel results.

SGL


Re: Reciprocal switching - and the lack of it.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tim, I know it was a long email for your attention span, but that IS what the last line says . . .

SGL

(just so nobody gets twisty about this, Tim and I know each other . . .)


So in your example Schuyler, Erie was able to physically switch
Moon Milling in return for trackage rights given to the D&H?

Tim O'

Gene Green innocently asked:

What is meant by the term "reciprocal switching?"
a lack of reciprocal switching could be a powerful thing: In Binghamton NY, my
hometown, there was a company called Moon Milling. This has been shown in many photographs
through
the years, because Moon is one of a series of buildings which make great backdrops for model
railroad layouts.

The situation was this: Moon Milling was across the ERIE mainline tracks from the ERIE's
Binghamton
station. But, the D&H's last few rods of track joined the ERIE main at just about that point.
This
meant that the D&H had the switching rights to Moon, not the ERIE. This wouldn't have been much
of
an issue if the D&H was the shipper of choice for Moon, and/or if most of Moon's inbound traffic
came from the D&H. The best information I have says that for both cases it was the ERIE. So, here
we have a situation where the cars to Moon would arrive on the ERIE, but have to be interchanged
to
the D&H, which would then spot the car. The straight-line distance from the station building to
the
finally-delivered car is probably >100', maybe less than 80'.

Moon noticed that sometimes their cars would arrive on the ERIE, and be interchanged to the D&H,
and
then spotted at their unloading spot, and it would take two days to get that done. This was an
annoying delay. In addition, there was an inequitable split of fees, because the D&H was the
terminating road, and got a good chunk of the billing, for handling the car maybe a quarter-mile
all
together.

So, the ERIE wanted to get rid of the D&H's division of the rate. Moon wanted their cars as soon
as
they could come in. But the D&H didn't >want< to give up their juicy share of money for so little
work. How to resolve this? Well, the D&H was interested in making a connection with the Lehigh
Valley; the nearest connection was at Owego, west of Binghamton, and at Owego the ERIE crossed
the
LV tracks. Eventually, the D&H was given trackage rights to Owego to connect with the LV, and the
ERIE got to switch Moon Milling.

SGL


Re: Delano color photo

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:
Look at those reefers on the right side of the photo. Doesn't that round herald look like it's on a PFE car? The cars look yellow to me, not orange.
Given the age of the Delano images, it's not surprising that they often look somewhat faded or color shifted. But if you take the photo at face value, it only demonstrates the already known fact that PFE orange tended to fade and weather in the direction of yellowish-orange.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reciprocal bitching

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
A very good point there. Can you tell us how the definition in the UP circular differs from the earlier practice?
No, I was hoping someone on the list could do so. But an awful lot of railroading on the "rules and tariffs" side has changed greatly since 1960, so I thought I would mention that point.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is a full house

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I didn't bother trying to sign up because I won't be there. Any chance of
doing a Shake N Take at Naperville?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon








Guys,
The list is now complete for the online pre registration for the Shake N
Take clinic. We'll have a few?slots left for those registering at the door
with no Internet access. I have also added for slots for what Al Brown
suggests as "Instruction Only" which will give you access to a handout for
the modeling of the kit that I provide for the folks listed below. So let me
get this out to you all and know that if you would like to add yourself
under "Instruction Only".

Also let me correct the time for the clinic: Friday January 09, 2009 at 3:30

PM in the Seahorse & Starfish Roo.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.) Brian Carlson
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John G Wheeler
19.) Dick Berry
20.) Lindsay Raley
21.) John Golden
22.) Owne Thorne
23.) Chirs Zygmont
24.) Ted Cullota
25.) Bill MCCoy
26.) Paul Bizier
27.) John Burroughs

INSTRUCTION ONLY:
1.) Al Brown
2.) Clark Cone
3.) John Cizmar
4.) Jim Dick
?
Thanks,
Greg Martin

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The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is a full house

Greg Martin
 

Guys,

We are completely full and we will see you all in Cocoa Beach in January.










Guys,
The list is now complete for the online pre registration for the Shake N
Take clinic. We'll have a few?slots left for those registering at the door with no Internet access. I have also added for slots for what Al Brown suggests as "Instruction Only" which will give you access to a handout for the modeling of the kit that I provide for the folks listed below. So let me get this out to you all and know that if you would like to add yourself under "Instruction Only".

Also let me correct the time for the clinic: Friday January 09, 2009 at 3:30
PM in the Seahorse & Starfish Roo.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.) Brian Carlson
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John G Wheeler
19.) Dick Berry
20.) Lindsay Raley
21.) John Golden
22.) Owne Thorne
23.) Chirs Zygmont
24.) Ted Cullota
25.) Bill MCCoy
26.) Paul Bizier
27.) John Burroughs

INSTRUCTION ONLY:
1.) Al Brown
2.) Clark Cone
3.) John Cizmar
4.) Jim Dick
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Greg Martin

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Re: Reciprocal bitching

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com

I wasn't replying to the specific site identified by Kurt, but
to the generalization he appeared to be making about attitudes
regarding the internet. And UP's CURRENT circular may or may not
reflect pre-1960 rules, as you of all people should be well aware.
----- Original Message -----

A very good point there. Can you tell us how the definition in the UP circular differs from the earlier practice?

KL


Re: Reciprocal switching

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: tgregmrtn

Kurt, what we read online is not always complete Bulls**t as you suggest, "that some denizens of this group" believe to be but if you read deeper into the circular that you pulled down of the web you will find that the UPRR's list of reciprocal industries is "short" and that is typical UPRR Bulls**t... Check Salem, OR and Chehalis, WA. Chehalis for the UPRR was acquired after the Milwaukee RR left the scene.
----- Original Message -----

I guess I don't see how the reputation of the railroad, the shortness of the list, or when particular routes were acquired affects the definition of the term.

KL


Re: Reciprocal switching

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson

There's so much BS on the internet, that it would be merely
prudent to distrust anything until you can corroborate it. Oh, sorry,
Richard Hendrickson already said that.
What's your view, Kurt? Everything on the internet is pure spun
gold? Sheesh.
----- Original Message -----

I don't know how this helps with a definition of reciprocal switching, but here goes . . .

My view is that some denizens of this group are predisposed to consider anything
found on the internet as complete bullsh_t. I thought was pretty clear on that.

Regarding information from *all* sources I practice "healthy skepticism". This is distinctly different from
assuming everything is BS unless proven otherwise, in the same way that washing one's hands after going
to the bathroom is healthy, while running to wash them immediately after touching anything is
pathological.

KL


Re: C&BT Santa Fe reefer question -- error in book

Keith Jordan
 

Keith, you probably already noticed but there is an error
on page 233 of the SFRD ice reefer book -- the Rr-35 series
is listed as 7029-7058 but it should be 7029-7358. I knew
something was wrong because there's a photo of Rr-35 7346
on page 240...

Tim O'Connor
Tim,

Since the book was written in 1994, yours is the first correction
that anyone has ever mentioned! (Though Richard Hendrickson might
have been made aware of some.)

I guess we'll have to issue a recall...

Thanks, I think. :-)

Keith Jordan


Re: Lifelike Fowler CN

Mark
 

Good point, Jim. Every time I pull one of those RTR I find problems.

Mark Morgan

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, red_gate_rover <red_gate_rover@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: red_gate_rover <red_gate_rover@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lifelike Fowler CN
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 6:10 PM











--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "pierreoliver2003" <pierre.oliver@ ...>

wrote:

Given all the remedial work seemingly required for this body shell,
wouldn't it be simpler to acquire a Speedwitch or Westerfield kit
of

the desired car? One wonders...
Pierre Oliver
Well I thought I was buying a car that just needed trucks and with

some weathering would be a good backgroung model (close enough for

me) for my narrow gauge/standard gauge transfer yard. This car seemed

to have appropriate lettering for 1929. Now I know that I should have

let it pass. I should just build a few more of the accurate kits and

stop trying to save myself time with RTR stuff. There are only a

handful of RTR 1920s era cars available for the period I model that

have 1920s lettering and K brakes. Most everying that I see

advertised as in use from the 1920s has 40s era lettering. Thanks

to all for the suggestions. -Jim


Re: Lifelike Fowler CN

red_gate_rover
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pierreoliver2003" <pierre.oliver@...>
wrote:


Given all the remedial work seemingly required for this body shell,
wouldn't it be simpler to acquire a Speedwitch or Westerfield kit
of
the desired car? One wonders...

Pierre Oliver

Well I thought I was buying a car that just needed trucks and with
some weathering would be a good backgroung model (close enough for
me) for my narrow gauge/standard gauge transfer yard. This car seemed
to have appropriate lettering for 1929. Now I know that I should have
let it pass. I should just build a few more of the accurate kits and
stop trying to save myself time with RTR stuff. There are only a
handful of RTR 1920s era cars available for the period I model that
have 1920s lettering and K brakes. Most everying that I see
advertised as in use from the 1920s has 40s era lettering. Thanks
to all for the suggestions. -Jim


Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars

Steve SANDIFER
 

----- Original Message -----
From: cobrapsl@aol.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars


Tim,

I do not remember all the details, but Ted Culotta posted a photo of the UF to his old freight car web site. It is still probably there. The car car had four cross bearers-one at each panel point-best?I?remember. I will look at my finished model tonight when I am home.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:28 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars

Paul, I did not know that about the NP cars. What is special
about the NP underframes?

Tim O'

At 12/8/2008 02:08 PM Monday, you wrote:
>Tim,
>Interestingly, the real odd version were the Northern Pacific
>war emergency cars, which Sunshine did do. Abeit, with the wrong
>underframe.
>
>Paul Lyons
>Laguna Niguel, Ca


Re: Box car running boards...painted or not?

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Denny Anspach...no doubt writing from much more a knowledge base than me [ given his experiences with boats ], says:

"I have a feeling that the very practical answer to the unsurprising
(to me) unpainted bottom of car floor boards is something akin to
this: The underframe was finished and painted before the floor was
laid in sometime later. It would have been considered a waste of time
to either pre-paint the boards prior to laying, or to go back in and
paint them later in the midst of the under-frame labyrinth. Also, in
those days, very commonly the planks may well have already been
immersed in a clear anti-fungicide pentachorophenol or similar (very
effective and once applied invisible to the eye, but now illegal)."

All that makes sense. However, it seems like you are saying that, either wood could be treated to prevent decay without painting or you are saying that wood surfaces on the bottom facing downward and, therefore, out of the sun would not suffer as much from the weather. If the first case were true, why paint the cars at all...other than to have a base to apply identification info? Certainly it would make little sense to paint the roof. If this case were not true and the second case was the decider, I have to wonder about that. For sure, I can say that temps in Florida reach 111� under my auto [ no doubt to match the humidity ] and one wouldn't even think of not having an undercoat on the bottom here and, we don't salt the roads [ Snow? what's that? ]. So...I'm still puzzled. And, yes, the photo does show no paint.

Long ago I found a creosoted post in a hardware store. Damned thing was very black and the smell of creosote was magnificent. No...I didn't put it in the train room but I did put it out front by the road and attached a mailbox to it. A few yrs later I noticed that it was leaning quite a bit. As I pushed it upright it fell over. The part under ground was gone. Nothing left at all. Rot? Possibly. I found no termites in the remaining part. Another curious example. I had a rather large Miami Dade pine tree taken down to make room for a pool. I thought..ah ha...I'll put a table top on the stump. Old Florida cracker said...don't bother, termites will take it out. Being a NASA scientist I obviously knew more than the old cracker so I ignored his comment but I did have the top made of redwood...supposedly immune to termites and wood rot. A few yrs later...probably about the same time that the post fell over, the table top was seen to tilt. Straigtening it, I noticed that all but the interior of the stump...hard as concrete...was gone. Deciding to experiment, I rolled the top...no termites...to another area. 6 months later I examined the part touching the ground. Termites. So...if some RR were to leave an untreated wood bottom car on a siding in FL for a couple of yrs I would strongly suggest they inspect the bottom...and for that matter the sides before putting anything in it. And, I now listen to everything old Florida crackers say.

Now for something useful. We'll have Ron Dettmer at Prototype Rails and he was in the engineering dept for ACL for a bunch of yrs in Jax. This would be a good question for him.

Mike Brock

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