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Re: California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I simply meant the R-30-12 was not appropriate. As someone
pointed out, the prototype was a rebuilt R-30-5, a different car.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
. . . this was one of the schemes Red Caboose put out for their
R-30-12 non-ice (bunkerless) reefers, but I somehow doubt those were
really prototypical...
The Red Caboose schemes were based on actual cars discovered in
the Sierra, as we have discussed a couple of times on this list.

Tony Thompson


Re: Post 1950 article in Railway Age on Russell Yard

Richard Townsend
 

Bill,

You might try the Library of Congress.? They do have it in their collection.? It takes forever (about an hour) for them to pull items from the stacks, but you can wander off while you wait.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <bwelch@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:53 am
Subject: [STMFC] Post 1950 article in Railway Age on Russell Yard






I just learned that there was an article in a post-1950 issue
of "Railway Age" featuring the operations in Russell Yard on the C&O
including great detail on the handling of perishable trains. I am
wondering if there is anyone on the list that can give me a precise
citation for this article. Also, where can accessible collections
of "Railway Age" be found if anyone knows?

Thanks!
Bill Welch


Re: Post 1950 article in Railway Age on Russell Yard

eyrings06@...
 

A quick Google search using "railway age russell yard" reveals an article not in Railway Age, but in Trains:

How to handle the hot ones, Frank E. Shaffer, March 1961, p. 18
Chesapeake & Ohio's Russell, Ky., yard

Here's the list where it came from:
http://www.trains.com/trn/default.aspx?c=a&id=548
If this is not it, an article in Railway Age may be found with more searching.

AME

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@...>

I just learned that there was an article in a post-1950 issue
of "Railway Age" featuring the operations in Russell Yard on the C&O
including great detail on the handling of perishable trains. I am
wondering if there is anyone on the list that can give me a precise
citation for this article. Also, where can accessible collections
of "Railway Age" be found if anyone knows?

Thanks!
Bill Welch


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Re: Post 1950 article in Railway Age on Russell Yard

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Bill,

Where do you live? Maybe I can help. I work in a major university library, and can probably find out where the closest collection is to you.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

lnbill wrote:

I just learned that there was an article in a post-1950 issue of "Railway Age" featuring the operations in Russell Yard on the C&O including great detail on the handling of perishable trains. I am wondering if there is anyone on the list that can give me a precise citation for this article. Also, where can accessible collections of "Railway Age" be found if anyone knows?

Thanks!
Bill Welch


Re: Post 1950 article in Railway Age on Russell Yard

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
. . . where can accessible collections of "Railway Age" be found if anyone knows?
Both the California State Railroad Museum and the California State Library have collections of RA, the latter collection being quite complete. The University of California at Berkeley has two sets of them also (one set only begins in 1932 but runs into the 1970s, unlike the holdings of many libraries).
Many public libraries in large cities around the country would have these in their collection, though most are probably storing them off-site these days.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Looking for OMI Wabash Boxcar in HO

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Is there anyone out there that has replaced the Overland Wabash wood
boxcar/ single door version with the resin version from Speedwitch that
would be interested in selling me their brass one? Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Post 1950 article in Railway Age on Russell Yard

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I just learned that there was an article in a post-1950 issue
of "Railway Age" featuring the operations in Russell Yard on the C&O
including great detail on the handling of perishable trains. I am
wondering if there is anyone on the list that can give me a precise
citation for this article. Also, where can accessible collections
of "Railway Age" be found if anyone knows?

Thanks!
Bill Welch


Re: California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rick Dietrichson wrote:
That's the $64 question! I model in N scale so potentially I could start with a MicroTrains wood sheathed 40' reefer, and use either a straight or fishbelly underframe, but I don't have a clue as to what type of roof the car had. The MicroTrains car has a wood sheathed roof, with ice hatches that can be removed.
Perfect! The ice bunkers were removed, but not always the hatches (in fact, more hatches were sometimes added along the roof to fill the glass-lined tanks inside).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

coronadoscalemodels
 

For anyone interested, one of the California Despatch ex-PFE reefers,
(class R-30-5)that was converted to a Roma Wine car, is now at
Railtown, in Jamestown, Calif, on the Sierra RR. In 1933-35, 41 cars
went to the CDLX (#277-317) for wine service, ice bunks removed, 6
tanks with roof filler hatches installed, and leased and lettered for
different wineries.. The car at Jamestown is ex-Pickering Lbr. Co.
MW24, who bought the car from CDLX at an unknown date. After donation
to the Sierra, the reefer doors were replaced by boxcar doors for movie
work. The car has 6 roof hatches spaced along one side of the roof
only, now covered on the outside by roof sheathing. (All this
informaiton from Kyle Wyatt, of the Calif. State RR Museum). None is
this is shown in the new billboard reefer book, which gives the
impression that billboard reefers were rarely seen in the West. But
then, a wine car isn't a reefer anymore anyway.

Stan Schwedler


Re: California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
. . . this was one of the schemes Red Caboose put out for their R-30-12 non-ice (bunkerless) reefers, but I somehow doubt those were really prototypical...
The Red Caboose schemes were based on actual cars discovered in the Sierra, as we have discussed a couple of times on this list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rick Dietrichson wrote:
I'm trying to build a model of the subject car using the Clover House dry transfer set In the car construction notes it says the car had wood sheathed sides and ends, but makes no mention of the type of roof this car had. The same instruction notes that the car had a steel underbody, but does not tell if it was a straight frame or fishbelly.
Most of the 41 cars CDLX bought from PFE were R-30-5 and -6 cars, which had wood roofs. Their underframes were straight center sills with only the slightest deepening in the center, FAR from what modelers call "fishbelly" design. There is a drawing of the R-30-6 design on page 82 of the PFE book. CDLX did buy a few later cars from PFE also.

This lettering set dates from the 30's, but how long did it last? Any help with these questions or photos of prototype cars would be greatly appreciated.
As clearly and thoroughly documented in the new book, Billboard Refrigerator Cars, these fancy schemes were first outlawed from being applied in 1934 and existing ones could not be interchanged after 1937.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

rdietrichson
 

Tim,
That's the $64 question! I model in N scale so potentially I could start with a MicroTrains wood sheathed 40' reefer, and use either a straight or fishbelly underframe, but I don't have a clue as to what type of roof the car had. The MicroTrains car has a wood sheathed roof, with ice hatches that can be removed.
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: @timboconnor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer


Rick

Building it... how? Do you have a photo, or drawings? I ask because
this was one of the schemes Red Caboose put out for their R-30-12
non-ice (bunkerless) reefers, but I somehow doubt those were really
prototypical...

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "rdietrichson" <Rdietrichson@...>
> Hey all,
> I'm trying to build a model of the subject car using the Clover House
> dry transfer set In the car construction notes it says the car had
> wood sheathed sides and ends, but makes no mention of the type of roof
> this car had. The same instruction notes that the car had a steel
> underbody,
> but does not tell if it was a straight frame or fishbelly. This
> lettering set dates from the 30's, but how long did it last? Any help
> with these questions or photos of prototype cars would be greatly
> appreciated.
> Rick Dietrichson
> Wilmington, NC


Re: California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Rick

Building it... how? Do you have a photo, or drawings? I ask because
this was one of the schemes Red Caboose put out for their R-30-12
non-ice (bunkerless) reefers, but I somehow doubt those were really
prototypical...

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "rdietrichson" <Rdietrichson@...>
Hey all,
I'm trying to build a model of the subject car using the Clover House
dry transfer set In the car construction notes it says the car had
wood sheathed sides and ends, but makes no mention of the type of roof
this car had. The same instruction notes that the car had a steel
underbody,
but does not tell if it was a straight frame or fishbelly. This
lettering set dates from the 30's, but how long did it last? Any help
with these questions or photos of prototype cars would be greatly
appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


California Despatch Line-Roma Wine reefer

rdietrichson
 

Hey all,
I'm trying to build a model of the subject car using the Clover House
dry transfer set In the car construction notes it says the car had
wood sheathed sides and ends, but makes no mention of the type of roof
this car had. The same instruction notes that the car had a steel
underbody,
but does not tell if it was a straight frame or fishbelly. This
lettering set dates from the 30's, but how long did it last? Any help
with these questions or photos of prototype cars would be greatly
appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Boraxo Covered Hoppers

Richard Hendrickson
 

Thanks to all who cited references to photos of these cars. We got
what was needed. The STMFC list comes through again.


Richard Hendrickson


Westside model Southern brass cabooses FS

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I have a pair of Ho scale Westside Model Co. Southern (wooden)
Cabooses X-2517. Both are unpainted in original boxes with foam. I'm
asking $150 each plus shipping/ins. If you buy both I will cover
shipping.
Contact me offlist if interested.
Thanks
Fred Mullins


Re: NAHX car

Jason Kliewer <jasonkliewer3@...>
 

Hello group,

The question was actually mine, which Clack was kind enough to re-
post here. I know that '68 falls out of the scope of this group but
I think I'd get better information here than in a modern group (but I
posted there too just in case)

The car #'s in question are:

30005
30026
30043
30054
30082
30086
30086
30127
30131
30138
30147
30147
30513
30531
30563


They ran in service between Rosemont, MN and Kansas City Union
Station hauling rock.

It looks like International Minerals and Chemical is a good place to
start, but it's still a long way from 1968.

Thank you guys for the info.

And FWIW, I am an N scale modeler, but I appreciate the modeling tips
none the less.


Jason Kliewer
Phoenix, AZ


Re: NAHX car

Bob McCarthy
 

Ed, et al
 
   Does anyone on this list know if there are decals for this group of cars?  Then to make it more difficult, Iseem to be among the few in S scale on this list.  
 
     If someone has these decals in HO, it is likely they can blow them up to S.
 
     If any of you out there are in 1/64 scale modeling be advised that I have plenty of extra Central of Georgia, Microscale 2 and 3 bay covered hoppers (1950's) and Central of Georgia Boxcar (1950's) sets.  Contact me off site at thesupplycar@....
 
Thanks, 

Bob McCarthy

--- On Mon, 10/6/08, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NAHX car
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 1:31 PM






Clark,
NAHX 30133 was built to the AC&F 1,958 cu. ft. covered hopper car
design by Pullman-Standard (lot 8091) in 1953. It was part of a 100 car
order numbered 30050-30149. The builder's photo of 30098, built 3-53,
shows a car leased to International Minerals & Chemical Corp.

I do not know if all 100 cars in the order were originally leased to
International Minerals & Chemcical Corp., but it's quite possible since
other photos of two earlier orders and one later order covering NAHX
30030-30049 & 30500-30513 show cars that were also for this company.

Originally the sides, roofs, and ends were painted gray. Slope sheets,
brake parts, underframes, hopper bottoms (including the structure
supporting the Enterprise outlet hardware), and trucks were painted
black. Across the top of the car from channel to channel at the
bolsters were placards with the company lessee name was spelled out.
The cars had 70-ton A-3 Ride-Control trucks with plain bearings,
Equipco hand brakes, and Apex running boards & brake steps. Refer to
the photo of NAHX 30510 (built 4-53) on page 123 of Ed Kaminski's
Pullman-Standard Freight Cars book for an example of what these cars
originally looked like.

I have no information about the leases during the 1960s, which is of
course out of scope for this forum.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

On Oct 6, 2008, at 7:24 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Below is an email I received. I'm hoping one/some of you will be
able to shed some light on the accuracy of this car and if it will
fit Jason's era.
As usual thanks for any comments.
Clark Propst

"I just came across some pictures of a hopper that could be very
useful for my roster. The problem is, I don't know how much to
trust what I'm seeing.
The cars is here:

http://www.ozarkmou ntainrailcar. com/nahxhopper30 133.htm

It says it's been restored. The last markings are for '77 and it
has friction trucks. None of which really mean too much, but it's
what I got to work with.
I'm trying to model ~'66-'68 so I'm trying to put the pieces
together."
Jason Kliewer
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Re: NAHX car

Len
 

Jason,

To end up with a fairly accurate model of this (version) of the
AC&F/PS 1950's 70 ton style car in the picture, try starting out with
the Eastern Car Works model. It has the correct heavy side ribs, and
U channel end ribs for your model as shown in the picture. The ECW
roof hatches included are the square type, but can be replaced with
some ease using Details Associates parts. The square holes in the
stock kits roof will then have to be delt with as well. I believe
that ECW did at one time offer a round hatch/roof retro-fit kit for
their car.

The ECW model builds up well, but needs weight added on board, and
much can be added to it for a pleasing end result. I have chosen the
ECW model for a BAR #55 rendition...yet to be built, but is fairly
close to the prototype. In closing, it is to be noted that there were
differant structural bracing versions of the prototype cars, as well
as some offering center angular cut outs...while yet others were
filled. This differance, as with the heavier side ribs, was probably
done to enhance the cars over all strength. The more expensive, and
higher detailed Bowser model offers both of those solid/cut out side
versions, but only offers the lighter verticle ribs. Hope this helps
out.

Better days,
Len Cannor
The Rutland...Route of the Whippet

-- In STMFC@..., "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

Below is an email I received. I'm hoping one/some of you will be
able to shed some light on the accuracy of this car and if it will
fit Jason's era.
As usual thanks for any comments.
Clark Propst


"I just came across some pictures of a hopper that could be very
useful for my roster. The problem is, I don't know how much to
trust what I'm seeing.
The cars is here:

http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/nahxhopper30133.htm

It says it's been restored. The last markings are for '77 and it
has friction trucks. None of which really mean too much, but it's
what I got to work with.
I'm trying to model ~'66-'68 so I'm trying to put the pieces
together."
Jason Kliewer


Re: NAHX car

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Bob, you probably know more about this car than I do, since I didn't
look at all the photos on the link : )

Ed, Thanks much for all the info. I have a Wheeler snapshot of an
Allied car I sent to Keith already.

Clark Propst