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Re: Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

Robert kirkham
 

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From: "cvsne" <mjmcguirk@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:19 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

The first issue of Model Rail Hobbyist is available for download. There have been a few technical issues, but those are being resolved. The first column features an article on converting a PRR GLa to a CV
hopper. Nothing particularly stunning about the project - I chose it
since I happened to have it finished! In general, I'm pleased with how the magazine looks and how the first
prototype modeling column came out. I chose to focus on learning the
process (apparently writing for an "online" magazine is different than
other medium - these youngsters won't let you build up to a
conclusion!!) Some of the interactive content is "neat" and, as we
learn how to use it deciding which to include to add value and which
is simply "neat for neat's sake" should become more apparent. One neat feature is the virtual lack of space restrictions - not
necessarily a good thing but we may try running prototype photos so
they show an entire car, with detail shots available by clicking on
the image. The rotating 360-degree view of the completed models (in
this issue the finished CV hopper and the N scale decoder installation
have this feature) is a neat way to see all sides of the model. On deck for next issue? A piece by Richard Hendrickson and, if I can figure out some of the
mechanics, a piece on using Sanborn Maps and other online maps to
develop a prototype-based LDE. Would love to hear any feedback, on or offlist. And, if you have an
idea for an article or topic for the Prototype modeling column, please
let me know. Marty
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Re: Roundhouse/MDC metal cars

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Guyz,
 
        Are we confusing this with the Mantua zamak frame, pressed metal formed body, gondola that came out in the early 50's ??  I still have mine, with updated details.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Don Smith <rgs0554@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Don Smith <rgs0554@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse/MDC metal cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:59 AM






Hi Gene, Tom and all,
This is a very fuzzy memory. I (very) vaguely remember working on a fixed bottom
Roundhouse (MDC) metal gon. It may have been a transition car where the body was a
plastic molding and the underframe was a die casting. Again, an even fuzzier memory of
it originally being an all zamac diecast car. I think the prototype or at least the lettering
was for C&O. Regards, Don Smith

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@.. .> wrote:

Gene Green wrote:

Back in the day MDC made a number of freight car kits using metal
castings. Except for the drop-bottom gondola I don't recall anyone
ever identifying prototypes for any of the MDC metal cars.
Ulrich had a metal drop bottom GS gon. Did MDC/Roundhouse have a drop
bottom gon as well??

Tom Madden














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Re: Roundhouse/MDC metal cars

rgs0554
 

Hi Gene, Tom and all,
This is a very fuzzy memory. I (very) vaguely remember working on a fixed bottom
Roundhouse (MDC) metal gon. It may have been a transition car where the body was a
plastic molding and the underframe was a die casting. Again, an even fuzzier memory of
it originally being an all zamac diecast car. I think the prototype or at least the lettering
was for C&O. Regards, Don Smith

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

Gene Green wrote:

Back in the day MDC made a number of freight car kits using metal
castings. Except for the drop-bottom gondola I don't recall anyone
ever identifying prototypes for any of the MDC metal cars.
Ulrich had a metal drop bottom GS gon. Did MDC/Roundhouse have a drop
bottom gon as well??

Tom Madden


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

Marty McGuirk
 

Appreciate the feedback, but before our esteemed moderator sees this
please keep the feedback on MRH to the STMFC list specific to steam era
freight car prototype and modeling subjects . . . what should be
covered, how it may be covered in this new media format, etc . . .

Any comments on the magazine in general are welcomed but please direct
to me off list at mjmcguirk@comcast.net

Thanks,

Marty


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

Bill Schneider <branchline@...>
 

Well, FWIW, I have to say that, to me at least, the first issue shows a lot of promise. Bernd, I am intrigued by your comment on the advertising because my first impression was that the there seemed to be far less advertising than the mainstream publications. The length of the articles probably shows the perhaps unintentional results of (as Marty mentioned) not being limited by physical space constraints. In general though, I found the format intriguing and look forward to seeing where it can go.

If I have one constructive comment on the magazine, it would be that to my admittedly HO-biased mind most of the scale-specific articles seemed to be about N scale or (OK, it was an incredible layout) large scale. I realize that any hobby magazine - particularly a start-up - is limited by what articles they have submitted to them, so this is not meant as a condemnation. I hope that the editors will keep an eye out for more HO content in the future.

Bill Schneider

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernd Schroeder
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine


Marty,

even though (or maybe because) I am likely one of the younger members of
this list with a definitely technical professional background, I have to
express very mixed feelings about the first issue (especially since it has
been hyped quite a lot before...)

I liked your column, since it adresses the basic principles of protype
modeling and also found the steel article interesting, but the remaining
contents reminds me very much of MR since Terry T took over...
12 pages on DCC decoder installation in N locomotives ? 13 pages on
how-to-use a specific computer program ? The curve thing ? More ads then MR
or RMC ?OTOH, maybe the technical gimmicks (especially in the ads) are
supposed to cover for the contents.

So, if you can convince the other people in the team to cut down on the tech
stuff and push the modelling level up, it would be interesting for me...

FWIW, Over here in Germany, the comments from the other half of the
US-modelling crowd are like this:

"It´s free", "It´s new", "It´s interactive", so it has to be the best thing
since sliced bread...

Bernd

----- Original Message -----
From: "cvsne" <mjmcguirk@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

>
> A piece by Richard Hendrickson and, if I can figure out some of the
> mechanics, a piece on using Sanborn Maps and other online maps to
> develop a prototype-based LDE.
>
> Would love to hear any feedback, on or offlist. And, if you have an
> idea for an article or topic for the Prototype modeling column, please
> let me know.
>


Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

Robert <riverob@...>
 

Overall, I liked it. If a particular article was "too long", I just
clicked thru. Too much is usually better than not enough, especially
since the incremental production and distribution costs are very low.

There were some technical problems, like asking me to update my Adobe
Acrobat when I had just done that three days previous. And a blank
first page.

Everyone involved is to be commended. Lots of potential for steam
era freight car articles, from how-to model to history, etc. I'm
looking forward to the next issue.

Rob Simpson


Re: The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is a full house

Misc Clark
 

Greg, hearing spotty details about this year's Cocoa Beach meet...no
pictures yet, either! Anxious to see the "instruction only" handout...
Clark Cone

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM, <tgregmrtn@aol.com> wrote:


Guys,

We are completely full and we will see you all in Cocoa Beach in January.

Guys,
The list is now complete for the online pre registration for the Shake N
Take clinic. We'll have a few?slots left for those registering at the door
with no Internet access. I have also added for slots for what Al Brown
suggests as "Instruction Only" which will give you access to a handout for
the modeling of the kit that I provide for the folks listed below. So let me
get this out to you all and know that if you would like to add yourself
under "Instruction Only".

Also let me correct the time for the clinic: Friday January 09, 2009 at
3:30
PM in the Seahorse & Starfish Roo.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.) Brian Carlson
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John G Wheeler
19.) Dick Berry
20.) Lindsay Raley
21.) John Golden
22.) Owne Thorne
23.) Chirs Zygmont
24.) Ted Cullota
25.) Bill MCCoy
26.) Paul Bizier
27.) John Burroughs

INSTRUCTION ONLY:
1.) Al Brown
2.) Clark Cone
3.) John Cizmar
4.) Jim Dick
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Thanks,
Greg Martin

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Re: Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

Misc Clark
 

yeah, what Bernt said and I would just add that there was wayyyy too much
space given to S curves and turn radii.... come on, better a topic on
correcting O scale Atlas or Weaver boxcars or detailing a caboose...

"Cute" technicalities gobble up bandwidth and don't add to the knowledge
base!

Marty, your article was very good... I would have liked a bit more extensive
detail on weathering and photos but I understand. The first issue is always
klugey but you're past that now... looking forward to the next issue!
Clark Cone

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:19 AM, cvsne <mjmcguirk@comcast.net> wrote:

The first issue of Model Rail Hobbyist is available for download.

There have been a few technical issues, but those are being resolved.

The first column features an article on converting a PRR GLa to a CV
hopper. Nothing particularly stunning about the project - I chose it
since I happened to have it finished!

In general, I'm pleased with how the magazine looks and how the first
prototype modeling column came out. I chose to focus on learning the
process (apparently writing for an "online" magazine is different than
other medium - these youngsters won't let you build up to a
conclusion!!) Some of the interactive content is "neat" and, as we
learn how to use it deciding which to include to add value and which
is simply "neat for neat's sake" should become more apparent.

One neat feature is the virtual lack of space restrictions - not
necessarily a good thing but we may try running prototype photos so
they show an entire car, with detail shots available by clicking on
the image. The rotating 360-degree view of the completed models (in
this issue the finished CV hopper and the N scale decoder installation
have this feature) is a neat way to see all sides of the model.

On deck for next issue?

A piece by Richard Hendrickson and, if I can figure out some of the
mechanics, a piece on using Sanborn Maps and other online maps to
develop a prototype-based LDE.

Would love to hear any feedback, on or offlist. And, if you have an
idea for an article or topic for the Prototype modeling column, please
let me know.

Marty



Re: Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

Bernd Schroeder
 

Marty,

even though (or maybe because) I am likely one of the younger members of this list with a definitely technical professional background, I have to express very mixed feelings about the first issue (especially since it has been hyped quite a lot before...)

I liked your column, since it adresses the basic principles of protype modeling and also found the steel article interesting, but the remaining contents reminds me very much of MR since Terry T took over...
12 pages on DCC decoder installation in N locomotives ? 13 pages on how-to-use a specific computer program ? The curve thing ? More ads then MR or RMC ?OTOH, maybe the technical gimmicks (especially in the ads) are supposed to cover for the contents.


So, if you can convince the other people in the team to cut down on the tech stuff and push the modelling level up, it would be interesting for me...


FWIW, Over here in Germany, the comments from the other half of the US-modelling crowd are like this:

"It�s free", "It�s new", "It�s interactive", so it has to be the best thing since sliced bread...


Bernd

----- Original Message -----
From: "cvsne" <mjmcguirk@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine



A piece by Richard Hendrickson and, if I can figure out some of the
mechanics, a piece on using Sanborn Maps and other online maps to
develop a prototype-based LDE.

Would love to hear any feedback, on or offlist. And, if you have an
idea for an article or topic for the Prototype modeling column, please
let me know.


Re: Bruce Smith's boiler load

cinderandeight@...
 

My error,
The last X43 entry was from
Rich Burg (forgot to sign it)
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Re: X43C side sills

cinderandeight@...
 

Guys,
I surveyed a dozen photos of X43 sub classes to tease out dates for the
full length vs. under door side sill reinforcements. I find the earliest under
door job dated 5/61, and the latest dated 6/66. As for a date without
reinforcement I found a car repainted in 6/59 without it. Of course there is
nothing to say that the 6/66 paint job might not have been done after the original
work on the side sills, but I sort of think it was done at the same time. The
PRR didn't have the money to repaint cars every four or five years.
The full length bolster to bolster reinforcements were dated from 2/67 to
1/68 in my photos, indicating they were being done right up to the eve of the
merger at least. I didn't go into PC cars (out of the blog's era).
As for paint jobs all these cars had the plain Keystone with large gothic
lettering except for the 6/59 and a 6/61 dated car which were shadowed
Keystone cars. I think this later car had it's reweigh data done at the time of the
sill reinforcement, but was not completely repainted.
As for how universal the repairs were? I found only one car painted in
the Plain Keystone scheme without a reinforcement (date not visible), and that
car was parked as a storage car for so long it's paint had almost completely
left it.
X43 cars were acquired in two distinct groups. Five digit cars were
bought the old fashion way with car trusts, while six digit cars were leased. A
small triangle appears between the car number and road name to indicate
"segregated maintenance" of the leased cars. I've never seen exactly what different
maintenance program applied to these cars were, but when the leases ran out
they were all collected together in Hubbard, OH and cut up as a group (with a
lot of "triangle" X44 cars too). I was told by the wrecking crews that the hard
wood flooring in the cars was "brand new" and selling for a pretty penny to
dealers.
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Model Rail Hobbyist - online magazine

Marty McGuirk
 

The first issue of Model Rail Hobbyist is available for download.

There have been a few technical issues, but those are being resolved.

The first column features an article on converting a PRR GLa to a CV
hopper. Nothing particularly stunning about the project - I chose it
since I happened to have it finished!

In general, I'm pleased with how the magazine looks and how the first
prototype modeling column came out. I chose to focus on learning the
process (apparently writing for an "online" magazine is different than
other medium - these youngsters won't let you build up to a
conclusion!!) Some of the interactive content is "neat" and, as we
learn how to use it deciding which to include to add value and which
is simply "neat for neat's sake" should become more apparent.

One neat feature is the virtual lack of space restrictions - not
necessarily a good thing but we may try running prototype photos so
they show an entire car, with detail shots available by clicking on
the image. The rotating 360-degree view of the completed models (in
this issue the finished CV hopper and the N scale decoder installation
have this feature) is a neat way to see all sides of the model.

On deck for next issue?

A piece by Richard Hendrickson and, if I can figure out some of the
mechanics, a piece on using Sanborn Maps and other online maps to
develop a prototype-based LDE.

Would love to hear any feedback, on or offlist. And, if you have an
idea for an article or topic for the Prototype modeling column, please
let me know.

Marty


Prototype Rails photos

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Several people have asked about photos of Cocoa Beach/Prototype Rails 2009. Larry Lawler has quite a few at:

http://web.mac.com/lawrencelawler

and I had Art Cominio take quite a few. I'll upload some of those to the photo section and they will eventually be placed on the web site.

Bill Schuamburg also took some and I assume they will find their way into RMC.

Mike Brock


Re: Prototype Rails-2009 - "Shake and Take"

dtnewcomb
 

submit a photo of / and bring their 2009 clinic model.
Speaking of photos, has anyone posted photos of the meet yet?

David Newcomb
Vashon Is., WA


Re: Latest SCL Modeler Magazine Posted

Paul Lyons
 

Hi John,

Thought I would give you a little reminder about checking?on the spiral bound SCL Modeler magazines we talked about in Cocco Beach.

Thanks,
Paul Lyons?


Rollablity

Jason Hill
 

The La Mesa Club uses a simple 100 scale foot piece of flex track mounted to a piece of 1/4" or 1/8" material (doesn't matter what type) and then 12" scale blocks to set the grade under one end. The test surface is a table that has been leveled to ensure accurate inclines during the testing. We also use 6" scale blocks for our 1/2 percent grades. Then you just stack the various blocks to make anything from 1/2 to 2-1/2 or and desired gradient in 1/2 percent increments.
Thinner shims (0.020") could be used to find that "exact" point at which the car rolls.
To qualify at a given grade the car must roll spontaneously at least one car length. Yes, 85ft cars are a bit tricky, but after some practice you can easily tell the rollers from the sleds. ;)

Jason Hill


Re: Heinz in Colorado

drgwrail
 

According to a book on Chronology of Weld County at the Colo RR
Museum Library Heinz operated a "pickle receiving station" at Windson
CO from 1948 to 1972. Could not find any reference to a C&S siding.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote:

This is a question for those Heinz experts among us.? According to
a?1951 AFE that year the Colorado & Southern installed a 260-foot
spur in Windsor, Colorado to serve the H.J. Heinz Company.? My
question is:?what type of facility did the spur serve?? I have seen
photos and maps showing pickle salting vats at locations in nearby
towns (Loveland and Fort Collins) for other companies but I have no
idea whether this was what was being done for Heinz in Windsor.? I'm
wondering if I get to run a pickle car.?:)?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon






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Re: testing freight car trucks (was Central Valley 5' Arch Bar trucks)

Tim O'Connor
 

Another party to this discussion made the point that testing the truck
alone and testing trucks with a car might yield different results.
Sure, and different cars with a specific truck might yield
different results; but what we are evaluating is truck vs. truck (or
more usually, wheelset vs. wheelset in a particular sideframe. Why not
directly compare them? Seems sensible to me.

Tony Thompson

Tony, both methods are sensible. However, just try out Kato trucks
on the roll tester, and then under a car. Although the Kato trucks
will perform very well without a load, they perform much worse than
many other brands of trucks (Athearn, Branchline, etc) that perform
as well on the roll tester. This is obviously because each truck will
deform to some extent under load, and since individual freight cars
may have different weights the gradient test track measures the
REAL performance of each truck + car combination, while the roll
tester only measures THEORETICAL performance with respect to this
combination.

I use the Reboxx axle-length spreadsheet as an aid to choosing the
wheelset for each truck, and I see no reason to invest in my own roll
tester. By the way, the Reboxx spreadsheet has not been updated for
YEARS and is badly in need of it -- there must be at least 20 to 30
new freight car trucks that are not included, such as the Tahoes
and all new Athearn trucks including Type B, their new AAR trucks,
the Allied Full Cushion trucks, etc

http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/1204early/HO_Trucks_1204_early.jpg

Tim O'Connor


Re: Central Valley 5' Arch Bar trucks.

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene

The track is laid on aspen "craft wood" along the back of my
work bench. One end is not nailed down at the end, so I can
shim it upwards 1/2" to 3/4" easily to make a grade about 3 feet
in length and then the car rolls on the level after that. There
is no point in a constant gradient -- I only want to see how
far each car rolls freely relative to other cars. I use this
same track for bench testing locos and DCC programming.

Tim O'Connor

Tim,

What sort of grade is your inclined track?

I have about 18 feet of track on an incline of approximately 1 1/2%.
If I let a car go on that grade it is going fast enough to knock the
coupler off for sure and maybe do even more damage. Of course, having
the track end at a solid wall may contribute to the damage.

My point really is that a 1 1/2% grade is way too steep for any meanful
test unless there was a really long - 100 feet? - level track for the
car to coast to a stop.

Another party to this discussion made the point that testing the truck
alone and testing trucks with a car might yield different results.

Gene Green


Another sidesill question - NP

mopacfirst
 

Very many NP AAR steel boxcars that had been delivered with normal tab
sidesills got rebuilt in company shops with bolster-to-bolster sidesill
rinforcements. This seemed to have happened late 50s early 60s, after
the introduction of the Main Street of the Northwest slogan.

Were all the cars of these types converted? Or were substantial
numbers of these cars left undone? Photos I have seen from a late-
enough period seem to always show cars with bolster-to-bolster
sidesills, but I'm wondering if there were exceptions.

Many (all?) new NP house cars from this era onward had full end-to-end
sidesills, undoubtedly ordered this way. It's not obvious that any
rebuilt AAR steel boxcars, at least the 40' ones, got full end-to-end
sidesills. Is this right?

Ron Merrick

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