Hello Bill,

I tried a little, mild, X-Acto knifing between the roof & upper car-body, but it doesn't try to separate very easily. The ends keep stuck down. Don't want to gouge the plastic with the knife. Tried various pushing & pulling techniques, but no success.

Paul Hillman

Well, Greg, since you are finally doing a car I can use (i.e., not
'50s and not PRR-oriented), put me down on your list. Fortunately,
I'm not scheduled to be doing a clinic at that time.

Richard Hendrickson

Just be careful the roof will lift off.  It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.
 
Bill

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

All,

If you want to sign up for the Shake-N-Take, please send an email to Greg Martin (tgregmrtn at aol dot com ). He will be the keeper of The List (whether he realizes it or not! :) )

We look forward to seeing you at Prototype Rails 2009 in Cocoa Beach, FL (Jan 8-11, 2009). See http://www.prototyperails.com<;http://www.prototyperails.com/>; for more details.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Clinic Chairman,
Prototype Rails 2009

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tgregmrtn@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:12 PM
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] The Shake N Take clinic

Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You?know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN?stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar?version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as?a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very?interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for?the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo. ??

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.)
11.)
13.)
14.)
15.)
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson?for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided?additional pieces to the puzzle and his help was greatly appreciated.
?
Greg Martin

George Walls wrote:

Cudahy Packing Co home offices were in South Omaha, NE.

But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Richard wrote:




"Well, Greg, since you are finally doing a car I can use (i.e., not
'50s and not PRR-oriented)'50s and not PRR-oriented)<WBR>, put me down
I'm not scheduled to be doing a clinic at that time.

Richard Hendrickson"

Richard,
I am glad your going to make it. Without you little boot with the photos I
would have never been sure this would work.
Everyone should realize these cars were on the system well beyond Richards
cut off date of 1947 and well into my era of 1957 on the PRR. This will be a
memorable kit to build and we will touch on a couple other cars that I am
working on collecting data for that I will present as modeling articles as well
in the future.
Greg Martin





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Guys,

Guys,

Brian,
Cudahy Packing Co home offices were in South Omaha, NE. Had a plant in
Phoenix, AZ in the time frame you are refering too. Plant was served by
SP trains. I believe Cudahy took over the old Tovrea meat packing co.

George A Walls

John Hile wrote:

In the late 20's Cudahy is listed as having packing facilities in:
Fresno, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Bernardino, and San Francisco per
an ATSF Shipper's guide of the era.

In the steam era Cudahy's main slaughterhouse was in Salt Lake City and they
shipped beef and lamb sides to the west coast where the packing facilities
cut them up for deliveries to the local retail market. IIRC they also had
something in Denver but at this moment I do not recall if it was just
another packing house or a full slaughterhouse operation.

The Oakland packing house, and I think the one in San Francisco too, had
rail service provided by the WP.

Dave Nelson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian,

I have been slowly gathering info on the West Coast for modeling my
freight car fleet. Here's what I can add regarding Cudahy...

In the late 20's Cudahy is listed as having packing facilities in:
Fresno, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Bernardino, and San Francisco per an
ATSF Shipper's guide of the era.

Also, if you Google "chown pella cudahy portland" you will get to some
pics of a building that (according to the web sites) was used by
Cudahy in that city. When...I'm not sure.


John Hile
Blacksburg, VA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "parkcitybranch" <parkcitybranch@...>
wrote:

I have an Overland Models Wabash Single Door box car that was
converted from a double door auto box car. Can anyone suggest a

paint

color for circa 1942. A scalecoat paint match would be best since
that is what my painter likes to use. Thanks.

Jason,

I have used Scalecoat II oxide red which looks close to a newly
painted car. I have also painted two cars with Badger Modelflex
light tuscan oxide, but like the Scalecoat color better. The Wabash
#10 freight car red did shift to a more brown color by the mid
1950's.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

On Dec 5, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Brian Leppert wrote:

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian, I have a photo of a Cudahy car westbound in a UP train in
western Nebraska (and therefore en route to somewhere west of the
Rockies), a photo of a Cudahy car in San Francisco in 1952, and
distant photographic evidence of Cudahy meat reefers at the Cudahy
packing plant in San Diego in the '40s. So I think you're safe in
assuming that their meat reefers frequently came west.

Richard Hendrickson

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Hi folks,

If you're planning on ordering DVD's for Christmas, the last day to get your order in to assure
delivery for Christmas is December 18th. The post office is running slower these days, so we
want to make sure there's a full week to let them do their work.

The new DVD, "Painting Figures with Dave Revelia" is in stock and available for immediate
shipping, as are all my DVD titles.

Also, I have about 25 roundhouse kits left. I am not sure if there will be any left after
Christmas, and I will not be holding any for the Springfield Show, so if you want one, this
might be your last chance.

As always, you can place an order through my website, by sending a check or money order
through the mail, or by calling me directly.

Happy Holidays!

Scott
www.scottymason.com

Since the PRR owned most of the Wabash stock, you might assume that their paint color might be similar.

But you'd be wrong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Since the PRR owned most of the Wabash stock, you might assume that their
paint color might be similar.



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
James F. Brewer
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:14 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar,
circa 1942



Jason,

I have just built a Sunshine Mini-Kit that utilizes the Tichy Steel USRA
Rebuild for a model of a Wabash rebuilt boxcar; the info with the mini-kit
indicates the Wabash color was very near the Pennsy freight car color (just
reporting what is written and not wanting to start a war on PRR color);
also, in the September 2008 RMC, installment 43 of Essential Freight Cars
(Post-War AAR boxcars), Ted Culotta features a Wabash car and suggests
Badger Modelflex Light Tuscan Oxide Red for a very good approximation of the
Wabash oxide red freight color. I used this paint for my Sunshine mini-kit.

In Volume 3, RPC, Pat Wider provided a table of suggested model paint for
various prototypes; his suggestion for Wabash is equal parts of Floquil's
Southern Brown (#175) and Oxide Red (#186). Since Volume 3 was published in
1999, I believe Floquil has changed its formulas.

Your paint guy might want to look at the Badger color and see what Scalecoat
may have that is close. Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

Jason,

I have just built a Sunshine Mini-Kit that utilizes the Tichy Steel USRA Rebuild for a model of a Wabash rebuilt boxcar; the info with the mini-kit indicates the Wabash color was very near the Pennsy freight car color (just reporting what is written and not wanting to start a war on PRR color); also, in the September 2008 RMC, installment 43 of Essential Freight Cars (Post-War AAR boxcars), Ted Culotta features a Wabash car and suggests Badger Modelflex Light Tuscan Oxide Red for a very good approximation of the Wabash oxide red freight color. I used this paint for my Sunshine mini-kit.

In Volume 3, RPC, Pat Wider provided a table of suggested model paint for various prototypes; his suggestion for Wabash is equal parts of Floquil's Southern Brown (#175) and Oxide Red (#186). Since Volume 3 was published in 1999, I believe Floquil has changed its formulas.

Your paint guy might want to look at the Badger color and see what Scalecoat may have that is close. Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

CJ Riley says:

"Would the ban include the shipment of smoking tobacco pipes in steam era freight cars?"

Bill Kelly says:

"Since there is a problem with discussing the thread on pipes does this
mean that we are free to discuss plain end pipe riding in steam era
freight cars ?"

Very good. I particularly like Bill's reference to "thread".

OTOH,

Pipe down...guys <G>.

Mike Brock