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Interlocker Car

Gary Roe
 

I realize this question is coming from an era way before most of us model; but I ran across something I had never heard of before, and thought I'd run it past you all.

In looking at a listing of freight car equipment for the Wabash Railroad from 1914, back in the back under Company Service Cars, there is a listing for 35 "Interlocker Cars". There are no dimensions or any other data associated with the listing. What is an Interlocker Car, and/or what it is used for?

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Re: Reciprocal switching

Tim O'Connor
 

You got it, Gene.

What is meant by the term "reciprocal switching?"

I got the term off a list of industries in towns along the CGW. The
list apparently includes industries located along any of the other RRs
in the town. Some are marked reciprocal switching - yes and some
reciprocal switching - no.

Does it mean that RR A could spot a car on the industry's siding
located along RR B?

Gene Green


Re: Reciprocal switching

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

What is meant by the term "reciprocal switching?"

I got the term off a list of industries in towns along the CGW. The
list apparently includes industries located along any of the other RRs
in the town. Some are marked reciprocal switching - yes and some
reciprocal switching - no.

Does it mean that RR A could spot a car on the industry's siding
located along RR B?

Gene Green
No. As I understand it, either railroad could be the originating or
terminating road, the same as if the industry was physically on their
own rails. The road that actually switched the industry received a
flat fee for the service.

From a modeler's standpoint, it does very little to the visible
operations; it basically involved shuffling the paperwork in a
different fashion. The only noticeable difference is that if an
industry was on the MILW but open to the C&NW via reciprocal
switching, if the car was billed as originating on the C&NW, that road
was expected to supply the Mty.

Dennis


Car Types for Team Tracks

gary laakso
 

I have been going through the January 1, 1961 Great Northern Railway Industrial Guide for points served by it and other railroads. The scope of team track usage amazes me since it covers from coffins to Edsels to Hamms beer to paving machinery and on and on. Here are the uses that i am not sure what type of freight car would be used (no, i am not listing pipe, threaded or not):
1- boats; flatcars?
2- fish; refrigerator cars?
3- elevators (as in Otis) boxcars?
4- steel products (its not more specific) gondolas?
5- soft drinks (i assume vending machines) boxcars?
6- vitamins; refrigerator cars?
7- pilings; flat cars or gondolas?
8- candy/tobacco; refrigerators?
9- potato chips (its listed at multiple locations) refrigerators?
10- ferns , as in plants ? no idea
11- fireworks? no clue and for Mike Brock..
12- jailhouse supplies? brig cars?



gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 7, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:

....Again,
however, does anyone know of an accurate source of decals (or dry
transfers) for such a car in the post WW II period? They do not have
to be for Cudahy, just a four hinge door car that can be made from
the Atlas model.






Clover House set 8916-1 for the Cudahy cars.


Richard Hendrickson


3rd Update for the SHAKE N TAKE

Greg Martin
 

Here is UPDATE # 3


Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher challenge than those of the past. In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we are going to reduce the number of those that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the
suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a presentation for the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data handout for the car type as well, with a good photo.

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted
than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in
non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch
on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.) Brian Carlson
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John G Wheeler
19.) Dick Berry
20.) Lindsay Raley
21.) John Golden
22.) Owne Thorne
23.) Chirs Zygmont
24.) Ted Cullota
25.) Bill MCCoy
26.)
27.)

Okay this is as of 9:30AM PST and again if you?think your name should have been here and it is not you might want to contact meoff-list at _TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM_ (mailto:TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM) .
I am in contact with Jon Cagle and he is willing to look at this as a
mini-conversion kit offering for the event.

Greg Martin

.


Reciprocal switching

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

What is meant by the term "reciprocal switching?"

I got the term off a list of industries in towns along the CGW. The
list apparently includes industries located along any of the other RRs
in the town. Some are marked reciprocal switching - yes and some
reciprocal switching - no.

Does it mean that RR A could spot a car on the industry's siding
located along RR B?

Gene Green


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

By golly, Brian is correct. I could have looked at any number of
different ORERs in my collection and found exactly the information
Brian gives below. But I didn't. I wonder where I did get the bogus
information? Oh, I remember! Off the internet. Burned again!
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

Ok, what I think I know based on the posts. Cudahy Reefers with CRLX
reporting marks were owned by the Cudahy Packing company of East
Chicago (In

(Gene Green added " ... also in 1950, 1951 and 1953.")

1957). The Sunshine kit 24.17 is for these cars.
Also, this means the intro paragraph on page 27 of Gene Green's
"Refrigerator Car Color Guide" from Morning Sun is incorrect since
he
attributes the CRLX reporting marks to Patrick Cudahy of Wisconsin.

Patrick Cudahy reefers were leased from NRC. I didn't see the photo
in the
NRC section that Dennis mentioned but maybe he was talking about the
Billboard Reefer book, which I do not own.

Do I have this correct?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: WWII 50 foot Steel Box

Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
 

Dale,
Sorry, forgot this one in the first reply ((just woke up....)
Speedwitch N&W B-4/ B-4A 50' Boxcars.
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/k115.htm
The Speedwitch kits are one piece bodies, with good instructions.
Ron Smith
Carman UPRR

----- Original Message -----
From: devansprr
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WWII 50 foot Steel Box


I'm reviewing my WWII era freight car fleet analysis, and find that
there is a significant gap in 50 foot steel box cars in HO for that
period.

The '43 ORER shows around 31,000 steel 50 footers, and around 20,000
wood 50 footers.

For steel cars, it seems like the only non-resin cars available in HO
are the PRR cars from Bowser.

Am I missing something? Is this because not many 50 footers to that
point were of a common design, hence few models? Is it because
immediate post war 50 footers quickly became the dominant fleet, which
is why everyone is making post-war 50 footers?

And not being very resin literate, any resin recommendations for a
WWII 50 foot steel box fleet (probably need just a few - recognizing
they were only 3.5% of the national boxcar fleet?)

Thanks,
Dave Evans






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Re: WWII 50 foot Steel Box

Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
 

The Speedwitch Central of Georgia 50" Door and a Half Car, is a very nice Resin Model, and fits the bill.
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/k107.htm

Ron Smith
Carman UPRR

----- Original Message -----
From: devansprr
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WWII 50 foot Steel Box


I'm reviewing my WWII era freight car fleet analysis, and find that
there is a significant gap in 50 foot steel box cars in HO for that
period.

The '43 ORER shows around 31,000 steel 50 footers, and around 20,000
wood 50 footers.

For steel cars, it seems like the only non-resin cars available in HO
are the PRR cars from Bowser.

Am I missing something? Is this because not many 50 footers to that
point were of a common design, hence few models? Is it because
immediate post war 50 footers quickly became the dominant fleet, which
is why everyone is making post-war 50 footers?

And not being very resin literate, any resin recommendations for a
WWII 50 foot steel box fleet (probably need just a few - recognizing
they were only 3.5% of the national boxcar fleet?)

Thanks,
Dave Evans






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Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers

S hed <shed999@...>
 

As a FYI to the group, Bethlehem Car Works offers a MDT 40' Reefer with the 8-hinges for sale. Here is the web link:

http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com/Products/Rutland_Car_Shops/Rolling_Stock/RCS-MDT.html

It is supposed to be a car based on the MDT Co's blue prints and from the 1919 Car Builder's Encyclopedia. And it is supposed to represent the NYC series 155000 to 156999 and MC series 16000 to 16249 built between 1913 and 1917.

The good news about the kit is that it is a one-piece body but I am not sure if it is a resin kit or not. I model 1926 and the kit in the picture is car #145831 which fits in with the 145000 to 145999 car series (978 cars in 1926). And comparing the car series dimensions with the other MDT car series, it is an exact match for the 155000 to 155999 series (971 cars in 1926) but a close match to the 144000 to 144513 series (509 cars in 1926) and the 156000 to 156299 series (291 cars in 1926). Whether any of these car series have the 8 hinges or not needs to be confirmed by photographs. Or even if the kit is an accurate NYC/MC/MDT car.

I have both the Billboard Reefer book (thanks to Mr Hendrickson and Mr Kaminski for making an outstanding book) and the Reefer Car Color Guide (thanks to Mr Green). In the Billboard Reefer book, on pages 171 to 173, are examples of this car that was operated by Dairy Shippers Dispatch, which was a small car leasing company out of Chicago. This car kit appears to match these cars down to the end strapping but the DSDX cars are 36' and 37'.

If the kit matches the prototype than I think I will need to order one.

- Steve Hedlund
Everett, WA


To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: rhendrickson@opendoor.comDate: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:56:00 -0800Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers



On Dec 6, 2008, at 5:39 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:> Cudahy was also represented in the Boston area at least up> through WW II AFAIK. With that in mind I've had interest in the Atlas> 36 ft. meat reefer. It is my understanding, and I'm looking for> correction on this, that the Atlas car was modeled after a Cudahy> prototype, particularly with the odd use of only four hinges for the> two halves of each door. Is this or is it not correct? Also, are> photos available for such cars in other than the "billboard" paint> offered by Atlas and, if so, are decals available. If what I'm> questioning is correct it is a shame that Atlas has offered that> model painted for just about every packing company that ever existed> but, apparently, few that any of us can use and be prototypically> correct as it is also my understanding that Cudahy was about the only> packer that used these oddball prototyes. I'd just like to have a> couple in a later Cudahy paint that is prototyically correct....>I'm always surprised (though perhaps I shouldn't be, by now) when a lot of speculation and mis-information is posted on a subject which is well documented. The responses to Don's query are a notable example. 36" meat reefers with four hinges on each door were not at all exclusive to Cudahy; large numbers of them were built in the 1920s (as well as 40' cars with the same door hinge arrangement) by the Pressed Steel Car Co.'s Hegewich, IL plant. North American Despatch owned many such cars and applied a variety of billboard P/L schemes to them, and smaller numbers were owned by other leasing companies (e.g., MDT). There are many photos of these cars in the Billboard Refrigerator Car book by myself and Ed Kaminski that was recently published by Signature Press. For the Cudahy cars, see pp. 39-40 and 180; for the NADX cars, see pp. 50-59. Other examples are scattered elsewhere in the book. That's not to say that some of the Atlas models aren't bogus - a bunch of them are - but some are correct (except for the model's unfortunate shortcomings) and the book shows many other examples that Atlas hasn't yet produced, but could. This is yet another instance where what you want to know may not be on the internet but is readily available elsewhere. The book has been widely advertised and reviewed, and if you don't want to buy it, then any library should be able to get a copy via interlibrary loan. The day when every piece of information known to man can be googled may be coming, but it ain't here yet.Richard Hendrickson





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Carbody Window Screens

chapbob@...
 

Does anyone have a favorite product to recommend for HO scale window screens
as found on cabooses, camp cars, etc.?

What I'm looking for is a fine mesh, but not so fine as to totally hide the
window behind it.

Thanks!
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Re: WWII 50 foot Steel Box

Tim O'Connor
 

You forgot the Proto 2000 single and double door 50 footers,
which are both circa 1940 designs. And Ribside cars now has
a 50 foot Milwaukee Road box car, although I'm not sure if
it is prewar or postwar.

Sunshine now offers a nice selection of prewar 50 foot steel
automobile cars. Check out Jim Hays' website for the latest
Sunshine catalog.

Tim O'Connor

I'm reviewing my WWII era freight car fleet analysis, and find that
there is a significant gap in 50 foot steel box cars in HO for that
period.

The '43 ORER shows around 31,000 steel 50 footers, and around 20,000
wood 50 footers.

For steel cars, it seems like the only non-resin cars available in HO
are the PRR cars from Bowser.

Am I missing something? Is this because not many 50 footers to that
point were of a common design, hence few models? Is it because
immediate post war 50 footers quickly became the dominant fleet, which
is why everyone is making post-war 50 footers?

And not being very resin literate, any resin recommendations for a
WWII 50 foot steel box fleet (probably need just a few - recognizing
they were only 3.5% of the national boxcar fleet?)

Thanks,
Dave Evans


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

the four hinges per door was marketed as a URECO product in the
twenties and highlighted in a Railway Age ad for URECO as being used
on the recent rebuilding of the older MDT cars for ERDX
service. These same cars later went into private packer service with a
couple of examples in the Billboard book.

John Greene even found a picture of a standard MDT car built in 1923
rebuilt with the four hinge door( my guess is that was a repair)

The eight hinge design must have had issues since all the MDT cars
that used it were later rebuilt with six hinges in the 1920s; only the
Rutland and possibly a second hand user
kept the eight hinge cars after the 1920s.

Roger Hinman

On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:

Thanks for both of your very helpful responses Doug, and to
Richard and Dennis as well. Looks like I have another book to
purchase....after still another bookcase is purchased! While not
surprised that early reefers were tried with only four hinges per
door, it has always surprised me that someone would have reverted to
that practice AFTER 1900, by which time the obvious problems with
only four should have been well documented. Both the NYC and Rutland
(due to NYC control at the time) utilized MDT constructed reefers
that went the opposite way. These cars used EIGHT hinges per door
and, like the four hinge variety, are quite distictive because of it.
I don't have to have a Cudahy car but am interested in having a four
hinge car for the variety and simply wished to have it "right". Some
reworking is not beyond possibility to do so. I was not, however,
even aware that this item had been retooled to utilize working doors.
While I've always been a proponent of operable doors on HO scale box
cars we will have to see how they work out on a reefer. Again,
however, does anyone know of an accurate source of decals (or dry
transfers) for such a car in the post WW II period? They do not have
to be for Cudahy, just a four hinge door car that can be made from
the Atlas model.

I would certainly agree that Atlas could have picked a more common
meat reefer to model and also wish they had. While there are several
of Marty Lofton's "meat fleet" and the Red Caboose Mather cars on
hand there is still the issue of limtied time and trying to model the
whole railroad. Aw well, if I live to 110.......

Thanks again, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> wrote,
in part:

Four hinges were not as odd as we think, they were found on many
reefers, esp in early years. Manufactures moved to the six hinge
design because it added security that a door would remain in place
if a hinge broke or failed, ie screws pulled out of rotted
wood, enroute.
SNIP

The Atlas model appears to be correct, for one prototype.
Unfortunately they choose a car apparently used by only one company,
than decided it needed operating doors and ice hatches like it's
larger O scale brethren. This lead to oversized hinges. I laid in
a stock of Grandt Line reefer hinges and intend to modify part of
my Atlas reefer fleet by gluing the doors shut and adding new
hinges, 3 per side. Atlas offered the car in a variety of paint
schemes, the schemes appear to be accurate, but none to my
knowledge were used on the Cudahy car, which is why I bought a
bunch of undecs. We all would have been better served if Atlas had
chosen the General American car or another builder who supplied
cars to many meat packer car fleets.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Seaboard Air Line IMWX boxcar

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Mark,
 
         You can always visit here in Vermont; we measure snoww in feet. That's why I call this my building season. Only 28 resin kits to go on the bench!
 
Fred Freitas
Benninton, VT

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mark Morgan <bnonut@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mark Morgan <bnonut@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Seaboard Air Line IMWX boxcar
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:25 AM






OOPS I meant 2" of the white stuff.
Mark

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mark Morgan <bnonut@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Mark Morgan <bnonut@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Seaboard Air Line IMWX boxcar
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:19 AM

Thank You very much Mr. Hawkins.

I had 5 kits to build and this one stumped me as no pictures could be found on the internet.

The list had the SAL, an Erie 40 PS Inter., Erie 50' fur. LL, MP 40' RC and B&O M-26 RC.

With 2' of snow (Bellville, OH)and more on the way its time to put some of these together.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan

--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@sbcglobal . net>

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Seaboard Air Line IMWX boxcar

To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 11:58 PM

On Dec 6, 2008, at 10:30 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:

I have a IMWX boxcar 40' SAL kit. Car number 19797 class B-9.
What door would this car and did they had black roof?
Thanks
Mark,

Series 19700-19799 had Superior doors. All 300 B-9 cars when built in

1945 had black car cement applied to the roofs. This per

Pullman-Standard bill of materials data.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

















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Re: Seaboard Air Line IMWX boxcar

Ed Hawkins
 

On Dec 7, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Allen Cain wrote:

In addition to the Series 19700-19799, what were the other car
numbers in
the series which included the 300 B-9 car built in 1945 which had
black car
cement applied to the roofs?
Allen,
The answer to your question, as well as the original question about
doors on SAL 19797, is found in the STMFC web site roster of 1937 AAR
box cars. In the interest of promoting more accurate scale models, I
will elaborate since the data is available from the Pullman-Standard
bills of materials, a collection of which I obtained in 2002 when the
Bessemer plant (then owned by Trinity Industries) was in process of
closing. These included cars built from 1929 to mid-1947 and mostly
built at the Bessemer plant.

The entire B-9 series included SAL 19700-19999. They were built as two
separate orders of 250 and 50, respectively, with some variations
between the orders.

Lot 5804, 19700-19949, built 9-45. Superior doors 19700-19799,
Youngstown Steel Doors 19800-19949. Running boards/brake steps: Apex
19700-19749, U.S. Gypsum 19750-19849, Blaw-Knox 19850-19949. Ajax hand
brakes. AAR spring plank trucks with chilled wheels.

Lot 5806, 19950-19999, built 10-45. Superior doors, Ajax hand brakes,
U.S.G. R/B & B/S, same trucks as above except one-wear steel wheels.

The B-9 cars were identical to earlier B-8 cars, SAL 19500-19699, built
9-44. These 200 cars had YSD, Ajax hand brakes, Apex R/B & B/S, and AAR
spring plank trucks with one-wear steel wheels. Pullman-Standard
denoted this order (lot 5768) as "Victory Box" as it meant the builder
was permitted to construct the order as all-steel box cars rather than
having to continue building to the emergency design.

Paint specs for B-8 and B-9 cars when built:
DuPont SAL Std. Color #374-822 Frt. Car Paint - Sides, Ends, U/F, Trucks
Black (Car Cement) - Roof
White (Snolite) - Stencils
Fire Plug Red - Monogram Background
Builder's photos for B-8 and B-9 cars (all three available from
Smithsonian Institution) had "The Route of Courteous Service" slogans.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


WWII 50 foot Steel Box

devansprr
 

I'm reviewing my WWII era freight car fleet analysis, and find that
there is a significant gap in 50 foot steel box cars in HO for that
period.

The '43 ORER shows around 31,000 steel 50 footers, and around 20,000
wood 50 footers.

For steel cars, it seems like the only non-resin cars available in HO
are the PRR cars from Bowser.

Am I missing something? Is this because not many 50 footers to that
point were of a common design, hence few models? Is it because
immediate post war 50 footers quickly became the dominant fleet, which
is why everyone is making post-war 50 footers?

And not being very resin literate, any resin recommendations for a
WWII 50 foot steel box fleet (probably need just a few - recognizing
they were only 3.5% of the national boxcar fleet?)

Thanks,
Dave Evans


Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers

Rhbale@...
 

Steve...

As a point of clarification, the proper title of the book you reference is
Cyclopedia, not Encyclopedia. Perhaps other nit pickers on this list can provide
a better definition, but it is my understanding that an encyclopedia attempts
to cover everything, whereas a cyclopedia focuses on one general subject --
in this case that one subject would be railroad equipment.

Richard Bale


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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Thanks for both of your very helpful responses Doug, and to
Richard and Dennis as well. Looks like I have another book to
purchase....after still another bookcase is purchased! While not
surprised that early reefers were tried with only four hinges per
door, it has always surprised me that someone would have reverted to
that practice AFTER 1900, by which time the obvious problems with
only four should have been well documented. Both the NYC and Rutland
(due to NYC control at the time) utilized MDT constructed reefers
that went the opposite way. These cars used EIGHT hinges per door
and, like the four hinge variety, are quite distictive because of it.
I don't have to have a Cudahy car but am interested in having a four
hinge car for the variety and simply wished to have it "right". Some
reworking is not beyond possibility to do so. I was not, however,
even aware that this item had been retooled to utilize working doors.
While I've always been a proponent of operable doors on HO scale box
cars we will have to see how they work out on a reefer. Again,
however, does anyone know of an accurate source of decals (or dry
transfers) for such a car in the post WW II period? They do not have
to be for Cudahy, just a four hinge door car that can be made from
the Atlas model.

I would certainly agree that Atlas could have picked a more common
meat reefer to model and also wish they had. While there are several
of Marty Lofton's "meat fleet" and the Red Caboose Mather cars on
hand there is still the issue of limtied time and trying to model the
whole railroad. Aw well, if I live to 110.......

Thanks again, Don Valentine



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> wrote,
in part:

Four hinges were not as odd as we think, they were found on many
reefers, esp in early years. Manufactures moved to the six hinge
design because it added security that a door would remain in place
if a hinge broke or failed, ie screws pulled out of rotted
wood, enroute.
SNIP

The Atlas model appears to be correct, for one prototype.
Unfortunately they choose a car apparently used by only one company,
than decided it needed operating doors and ice hatches like it's
larger O scale brethren. This lead to oversized hinges. I laid in
a stock of Grandt Line reefer hinges and intend to modify part of
my Atlas reefer fleet by gluing the doors shut and adding new
hinges, 3 per side. Atlas offered the car in a variety of paint
schemes, the schemes appear to be accurate, but none to my
knowledge were used on the Cudahy car, which is why I bought a
bunch of undecs. We all would have been better served if Atlas had
chosen the General American car or another builder who supplied
cars to many meat packer car fleets.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Seaboard Air Line IMWX boxcar

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Ed,



In addition to the Series 19700-19799, what were the other car numbers in
the series which included the 300 B-9 car built in 1945 which had black car
cement applied to the roofs?



Thanks, Allen Cain

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