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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Andy Cich
 

This looks like a variation of the type of load modeled by a Sunshine kit. I’m not sure who the model builder is for the photos I attached. I’m sure I saved them from one of the email lists.

 

Andy Cich

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Randy;

 

This is a PRR F25C dedicated diagonal loading car, for boiler heads or plate steel wider (or taller) than the maximum of the clearance diagram.  Loads were tilted up diagonally, against the timbers, and secured with chains running from the floor, up over the top of the load, and attached to the timbers.  The entire load and car had to fit inside the clearance diagram.  The loaded cars were shipped in “High and Wide” shipments in certain trains, and were continuously checked along the way to ensure no load shifting occurred that would cause a load to hit something, like a bridge entry, tunnel entry, etc.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi Elden,

I have never heard or diagonal loading of cars.  Would it entail opposite corners of the load being off the car?

Randy

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

This is also how the RRs ship prefabbed switches.

-Hudson
Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Randy;

 

This is a PRR F25C dedicated diagonal loading car, for boiler heads or plate steel wider (or taller) than the maximum of the clearance diagram.  Loads were tilted up diagonally, against the timbers, and secured with chains running from the floor, up over the top of the load, and attached to the timbers.  The entire load and car had to fit inside the clearance diagram.  The loaded cars were shipped in “High and Wide” shipments in certain trains, and were continuously checked along the way to ensure no load shifting occurred that would cause a load to hit something, like a bridge entry, tunnel entry, etc.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi Elden,

I have never heard or diagonal loading of cars.  Would it entail opposite corners of the load being off the car?

Randy

Re: Flat Car Load

Bruce Smith
 

Randy, 

Depending on the era, 14' vertical would translate to more than 15' above the railhead and would definitely still be an excess dimension load. 

When Elden said "diagonal", what he meant was on side of the load at one side of the deck, with the other side elevated... sort of like (end on). Load it on a depressed center or well car and you're even better off.
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What is this mystery load?? 🙂

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Randy Williamson <pennsy@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load
 
Hi All,

I was thinking of the load as part of a general freight train.  Maybe If
I stand it up that it would work better.

--
Randy Williamson
Re: Flat Car Load

Tony Thompson
 

For a fairly dramatic large load on model freight cars, you might like to look at the multi-car load built by Richard Hendrickson, with not only a large truss assembly loaded on the diagonal, but also a pair of idler flat cars in a five-car set. If you're interested, here is a link to m blog post about these cars:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/03/richard-hendricksons-multi-car-loads.html

Scroll down to the bottom of the post to find this multi-car load set.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com
Re: Flat Car Load

Randy Williamson
 

Hi All,

I was thinking of the load as part of a general freight train. Maybe If I stand it up that it would work better.

--
Randy Williamson
U.S. Navy San Diego Boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

Folks-
There are about three of these cars preserved at Southern California's Orange Empire Trolley Museum. Still in Navy grey colors.

About 12 years ago Dan Smith and I saw some Navy 40' box cars out near Inyokern (Not too far from Ridgecrest) which had characteristics of both X29 and '37 AAR designs. I have never seen anything like this before and none since.
-Andy

On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 10:51:06 AM PDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Re: Painting brass

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I was interested when I saw the first version at Springfield last year, and told them that I’d like a somewhat larger version.  Well what they came out with is practically large enough for the local bodega to warm up pizza slices!  And enormously overpriced on top of that. So as of now, I‘ve bought neither.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting brass

 

Has anyone tried MicroMark's drying booth?

 

 

A bit pricey but so are brass engines.

 

Allen Cain 
Re: Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

This is a 1947 publicity photo of a boxcar full of auto parts. Given the date I don't think any automobile fluids in this shipment would have been considered dangerous or hazardous. Any guess as to what made something in this load dangerous?

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/30386/rec/925

Description: 'A freight car, with the slogan Everywhere West painted on it, is being unloaded. Boxes and crates cover the loading platform. Titus Motor Company's order of Ford parts valued at $50,000 filled an entire freight car. Ralph (Jake) Jacobson, parts manager for Titus Motor Company, with pencil and paper, completes checklist with Dick Thomas, local terminal foreman for Consolidated Freightways. Sam Bratton, Freightways employee, is seen wheeling a load from the freight car.'"

Enlarging the photo using the sizing slider reveals the reason - the placard is clearly marked "WET BATTERIES".


Ben Hom  
Re: Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Under “Dangerous” it says “Wet Batteries”.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 1:05 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

 

Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

This is a 1947 publicity photo of a boxcar full of auto parts. Given the date I don't think any automobile fluids in this shipment would have been considered dangerous or hazardous. Any guess as to what made something in this load dangerous?

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/30386/rec/925

Description: "A freight car, with the slogan Everywhere West painted on it, is being unloaded. Boxes and crates cover the loading platform. Titus Motor Company's order of Ford parts valued at $50,000 filled an entire freight car. Ralph (Jake) Jacobson, parts manager for Titus Motor Company, with pencil and paper, completes checklist with Dick Thomas, local terminal foreman for Consolidated Freightways. Sam Bratton, Freightways employee, is seen wheeling a load from the freight car."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

Bob Chaparro
 

Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

This is a 1947 publicity photo of a boxcar full of auto parts. Given the date I don't think any automobile fluids in this shipment would have been considered dangerous or hazardous. Any guess as to what made something in this load dangerous?

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/30386/rec/925

Description: "A freight car, with the slogan Everywhere West painted on it, is being unloaded. Boxes and crates cover the loading platform. Titus Motor Company's order of Ford parts valued at $50,000 filled an entire freight car. Ralph (Jake) Jacobson, parts manager for Titus Motor Company, with pencil and paper, completes checklist with Dick Thomas, local terminal foreman for Consolidated Freightways. Sam Bratton, Freightways employee, is seen wheeling a load from the freight car."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

mopacfirst
 

I would suggest going to prr.railfan.net.

I've seen such cars shown there, in the flatcar section.  Don't have one at my fingertips, since I would probably never need one, but there is at least one diagram there that should help you.

Ron Merrick
U.S. Navy San Diego Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Randy Williamson
 

Hi Elden,

I have never heard or diagonal loading of cars.  Would it entail opposite corners of the load being off the car?

Randy
Re: USRA double sheathed rebuids

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hello folks,

    Does anyone have a list of those roads that received and rebuilt their USRA double sheathed 
cars using Youngstown kits of either 8 or 10 panel steel sides or roads that might have purchased 
such rebuilt cars? Alternately would anyone have a duplicate copy of Vol. 24 of the Railway Prototype 
Cyclopedia that they might be interested in trading for a new, and duplicate to me, copy of RPC 
Nos. 1 through 7?

Thank your for any assistance offered, Don Valentine
Re: General American two dome tank car GATX 810

O Fenton Wells
 

Great blog Lester, I too have on of those to build and your blog will be a great help.  I built the 3 dome Dupont car and made many mistakes.  To this day somewhere under my desk(workbench) or in the ethereal space continuum are 3 of the brass end steps.  I never found them.
Fenton

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:26 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

After putting off the build of Southern Car & Foundry GATX two dome tank car, I finally build it.  I ended up lettering it GATX 810.  If you are interested in the build of this tank car including addition of parts not in the kit and handrails using a method not in the kit instructions, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
Re: Flat Car Load

Charles Peck
 

That would definitely  be handled as a special move.  Some roads could handle it, others 
could not.  Engine, perhaps an idler or not, caboose.  Orders almost certainly would read 
to NOT meet opposing train on double track.  Slow orders, walking speed through certain 
bridges, etc.  
Interesting for operations, maybe once a year or so.
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:44 PM Randy Williamson <pennsy@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson

Re: Flat Car Load

Richard Townsend
 

Railroads were able to move loads that were too high or too wide, or both, to meet clearance diagrams. It might require a special movement all on its own. But I know of a movement of brewery equipment on the Colorado & Southern from Denver to Golden for Coors. The route was checked beforehand for clearance issues and planning went on several days before the cars with the loads arrived. They put the cars carrying the high/wide load at the head of the regular local to Golden and sent a crew in a motor car ahead of the train to double check for possible clearance problems as the train proceeded. Some tree limbs had to be cut, but otherwise the move was made successfully. But keep in mind this was an unusual occurrence.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Williamson <pennsy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 19, 2020 9:44 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Randy;

 

That is considerably in excess of any clearance diagram I am aware of.  That is also why some roads rostered diagonal loading cars.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson

Flat Car Load

Randy Williamson
 

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson
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