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Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Aley, Jeff A wrote:
As usual, it was a lot of work and a lot of fun. Attendance was pretty good; we had 241 folks show up, down slightly from last year's ~275. Considering the state of the economy, I think this is pretty good.
Another excellent meeting. Those who've never put on one of these, or at least worked on a committee to do so, just don't realize how much time and sweat goes into that smoothly-running operation that you take for granted as an attendee.
The talks seem to get better every year, and as always, some just have to be skipped that we would all love to hear. Not sure if there IS an answer, but possibly starting at noon Thursday and maybe not always using every clinic room could help.
For those who haven't ever attended, give it some thought. It's as good a meeting on freight cars as you will find. Yes, Naperville is bigger but I really don't think it's truly better --
every bit as good, and I wouldn't miss it either, but not better.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Prototype Rails-2009-Shake and Take Clinic

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

I would like to participate in this one. However, I model May 1943
so the models produced in this clinic so far are too late for me.
Could we do one matching my era?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Prototype Rails-2009

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

It was a great meet. I am sorry now that I didn't attend Mont
Switzer's toola and tips clinic. Wish I could have attended the frt.
car distribution clinic and the "I wish" session that met at the same
time.

There were fewer vendors this year. I think we need to work on
getting more folks who make the products we want to this meet.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Central Valley 5' Arch Bar trucks.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I unearthed my cache of these handsome trucks and tested their rollability on the Reboxx Rolltester as follows:

(0-5 Not Acceptable. 6-10 Poor. Good/Acceptable 11-15. Very Good 16-20. Superior 21 and up).

OEM wheels: 6/7/6: Borderline unacceptable/poor.
Reboxx 1.025" wheels: 10/11/10: just barely above the poor, but in the /goodacceptable range.
Reboxx 1.030" wheels: 9/9/10: Almost acceptable, but still poor. Minimal sideplay, however.

Lubrication caused no improvement in rollability.

The appearance of these trucks with their new narrow wheels was improved to an exponential degree.

With their projecting exposed narrow wheels , these are the trucks I will use on Al Westerfield' s fine new Summers Ore cars until something better comes along. Now, if I can only adapt the Kadee brake gear to fit these 5' trucks....

BTW, if one was to stock up on only one length of Reboxx wheels, 1.025" would seem to a worthy bet, with some 1.020" and 1.015" axle sets on the side. These (1.025") are the consistent best for the popular Accurail AAR trucks (maximum rollability combined with minimum axle sideplay. Ditto with Branchline trucks).

Brian Leppart's fine Tahoe trucks are sized to best use the the Reboxx or Intermountain nominal 1.015" axle lengths (but the current new IM production of 1.007" axle sets introduce excessive axle sideplay).

Denny




Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Larry Kline
 

As usual I really enjoyed the meeting. Thanks to Mike Brock, Jeff Aley and the rest of the Prototype Rails crew. Thanks also to all of the presenters and everyone who brought models to display. I'm looking forward to next year.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Rail Road Progress

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mark Morgan wrote:
"I searched the site for the Rail Road Progress company. How are there
[sic] kits?"

c. 1970s-1980s "scratchbuilding projects in a box" consisting of
precut styrene sheet and strip along with Plastruct structural
shapes. Despite the lack of rivet detail, these built into
surprisingly decent models of their prototypes. These came out at a
time when the general consensus in the hobby was that "all hopper
cars looked the same", and the individual responsibile for these kits
also self published "Common Hopper Cars of the Northeast" which was
one of the first enthusiast works that showed that this was not the
case. Many of the Rail Road Progress kits have been superceded by
later models, but a few of them still are the only models available
for some prototypes.

See Jim Six's "Modeling Norfolk & Western's H10 coal hopper" in the
August and September 1989 issues of Model RailroaDing and
Teichmoeller's PRR hopper book for more information.


Ben Hom


Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

Storey Lindsay
 

The Preface of the "Standard Tank Car Journeys" (ca 1920) states that it is
the sequel to "All About Tank Cars"

QUOTE

"Standard Tank Car Journeys" is a sequel to "All About Tank Cars."

The earlier book is a guide that should be at the elbow of every tank car
lessee and owner; it includes detailed specifications for all types of tank
cars, full information on mileage earnings and tank car accounting, the text
of the Master Car Builders and government requirements, and much other
detailed and general information one should have to secure the most
economical and satisfactory operation of cars.

"Standard Tank Car Journeys" takes in a broader field. It is a non-technical
account of the parts played in industry by the many commodities handled in
Standard Tank Cars and tank cars in general. It is presented as an
interesting and instructive treatise on the vital service of tank cars, with
the hope that each and all of us connected with
the wide and important employment of liquids in industry may gain a clearer
view of our functions as they are related to the work of the nation and the
world, and secure some larger measure of inspiration from our daily tasks.

UNQUOTE

I do not know whether "Standard Tank Car Journeys" (ca 1920) is the same as
"General American Tank Car Journeys" (ca 1931).

By the way, this volume is digitized and is available at

http://www.archive.org/details/standardtankcarj00stanrich


Storey Lindsay
Celje, Slovenia

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Dean
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 19:53
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] General American Tank Car Journeys

Richard,

In my years of collecting such books, I have never come across a subsequent
volume. There is a 1920 edition of the Tank Car Journeys book. The 1931
edition is, by far, the superior of the two.

Best regards,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky

----- Original Message -----
From: richtownsend@netscape.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] General American Tank Car Journeys


Yesterday at my local used book store I picked up a copy of a 1931 book
called "General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial Liquids Come
From and Where They Go."? It's a well-illustrated book with over two dozen
photos of GATC tank cars, including some unusual ones.? It is a listing of
chemicals, oils, etc. (everything from specific alcohols to specific fish
oils) and a description of the commodity, how it is made, and how it is
used.? Gives a lot of ideas on what industries could be expected to receive
or ship commodities in tank cars.? On the spine it says "Vol I."? I wonder
if there were additional volumes.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

Philip Marcus
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Riba <jriba@...> wrote:

Hello Everybody,
 
  Can you give more information on the tank car books, i.e.
publisher etc. for a library search?
 
    John Riba

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gene Green <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

From: Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: General American Tank Car Journeys
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:49 PM

The book is copyright 1931 by the General American Tank Car
Corporation, Chicago, Illinois.
I was not aware of a 1920 edition, but this book would be much
different in that there are many photos in this edition from the
late twenties and 1930.

Phil Marcus




I have the 1920 version of "Standard Tank Car Journeys." I am curious
what improvements are in the 1931 edition.

Standard Tank Car Company also put out a book "All About Tank Cars."
My edition is 1921. Could this title be the 'subsequent volume?'

Gene Green

















Re: Paging Tony Thompson- Lompoc & Cuyama info requested

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Miles C. (not signing his full name) wrote:
Tony,
I just read your article on your steam era railroad, the Lompoc & Cuyama in the June 1990 issue of RMC, and was quite impressed.
You mentioned that you had a rather large document published as the "history" of the L&C, is there any way to procure a copy?
Thanks for the kind words. I'll communicate with you off-list about this.

I'm also curious who made those incredibly detailed STMFC's, most notably the MP gondola #20273 on paage 67.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

John Riba
 

Hello Everybody,
 
  Can you give more information on the tank car books, i.e. publisher etc. for a library search?
 
    John Riba

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gene Green <bierglaeser@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gene Green <bierglaeser@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: General American Tank Car Journeys
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:49 PM






I have the 1920 version of "Standard Tank Car Journeys." I am curious
what improvements are in the 1931 edition.

Standard Tank Car Company also put out a book "All About Tank Cars."
My edition is 1921. Could this title be the 'subsequent volume?'

Gene Green















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

I have the 1920 version of "Standard Tank Car Journeys." I am curious
what improvements are in the 1931 edition.

Standard Tank Car Company also put out a book "All About Tank Cars."
My edition is 1921. Could this title be the 'subsequent volume?'

Gene Green


Re: Prototype Rails-2009 - "Shake and Take"

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 09:56 AM 1/12/2009, Clark Propst wrote:
<snip>
I do have a problem with the "Shake and Take" clinic. Greg Martin
along with Jim Singer, John Greedy and Doc Denny (and maybe others)
spend a great deal of time and their own money to put out a fine
unique kit. They allow for 25-30 participants, yet each year only to
have just a hand full of completed models brought back each year for
display. I would be discouraged with the meager results, but to those
guys's credit they are very upbeat and are busy planning next year's
model.
This should be -easy- to fix:
Require 2009 attendees registering for the 2010 "Shake and Take" to submit a photo of / and bring their 2009 clinic model.
My guess is that some additional seats would open-up...

For those trying to game the system... the best they could do would be every-other year's clinic.
Just a thought...


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA (far... far... -away from Cocoa Beach)
--------------------


Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

Charles Dean
 

Richard,

In my years of collecting such books, I have never come across a subsequent volume. There is a 1920 edition of the Tank Car Journeys book. The 1931 edition is, by far, the superior of the two.

Best regards,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky

----- Original Message -----
From: richtownsend@netscape.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] General American Tank Car Journeys


Yesterday at my local used book store I picked up a copy of a 1931 book called "General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial Liquids Come From and Where They Go."? It's a well-illustrated book with over two dozen photos of GATC tank cars, including some unusual ones.? It is a listing of chemicals, oils, etc. (everything from specific alcohols to specific fish oils) and a description of the commodity, how it is made, and how it is used.? Gives a lot of ideas on what industries could be expected to receive or ship commodities in tank cars.? On the spine it says "Vol I."? I wonder if there were additional volumes.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

What modifications are needed to the Atlas bolster and kingpin to
change out the trucks?<

I know the Atlas kingpin is larger and would require the TMW to be reamed some. I don't know about the height.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Rail Road Progress

Mark
 

I searched the site for the Rail Road Progress company. How are there
kits?

And a question about Proto 2000 CB&Q Auto-boxcar 50' DBL Door with end
door. Class XA-15B numbers 48500-48599 blt. 1941. Is the car correct
for this road, any suggestions.

Thank You, Mark Morgan


Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote:

Yesterday at my local used book store I picked up a copy of a 1931
book called "General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial
Liquids Come From and Where They Go."?

Besides railroads (and big city fire departments) I wonder who else
would buy such a book; it's not exactly hide under the bed reading.

I'm sure those two groups had books like that on hand to get advice
on leakers - who can tell us what to do now?.

I've handled more than a few calls - "your product is leaking....."
& "my patient spilled you product on their private parts......".

Glad that such a book exists though, especially if it has some
unusual views of tank cars.

I wish we had more top view photos of working STMFCs.

Ed


Re: Prototype Rails-2009

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 12, 2009, at 11:56 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:
How 'bout IM's new 70T flat car? I asked what the prototype was and
was told it's coming in 4 road names! Their war emergency box cars
were a real surprise.
The test shots of both new cars look nice. The laser cut wood decks on the 70t AAR flat were sweet, sitting down between the bolsters as they ought to. They have cast part of the car in metal to make it a little heavier, and easier to run empty or with light loads... mine will be getting some medium tanks! The 4 roads listed on the IM web page are New Haven, Erie, ATSF and B&O, but the prototype list is quite a bit longer, so I wonder when/if those will be run as well and of course, there is the potential of undec kits...

We noted in looking over the war emergency box cars that they had 3 different styles with road specific details including roofs and doors. Working from memory they included CNW, ATSF, NKP and ?

They also had the painted and lettered GN plywood box car on hand.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Eric Hansmann
 

--- Brian Leppert wrote:

Several railroads used double truss trucks, with a distictive wide
spacing on the front springs, on their 1932 ARA box cars. These
trucks also had spring planks. If you can overlook the lack of a
spring plank, then my new "Double Truss AAR" truck will work just
fine, as it also has that spring spacing.
<snip>
==========================


Brian, or anyone,

What modifications are needed to the Atlas bolster and kingpin to
change out the trucks? Recent discussion noted an odd situation on
Atlas HO scale freight cars in regard to the bolster height. I
recall trying to fit a pair of Accurail trucks onto an Atlas covered
hopper and the model sat at a different height with the Accurail
trucks.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: Prototype Rails-2009

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I can't say that I can fully appreciate the efforts to put on such an
event.
I can say I understand the time and thought it takes to put on a
presentation and I enjoyed those I attended. Bill Darnaby's had to
rank right up there at the top. Good subject matter and excellently
presented
Biggest problem I had this year was the weather. It was perfect. I'm
afraid I spent time walking on the beach instead of attending clinics
in all time slots.

I do have a problem with the "Shake and Take" clinic. Greg Martin
along with Jim Singer, John Greedy and Doc Denny (and maybe others)
spend a great deal of time and their own money to put out a fine
unique kit. They allow for 25-30 participants, yet each year only to
have just a hand full of completed models brought back each year for
display. I would be discouraged with the meager results, but to those
guys's credit they are very upbeat and are busy planning next year's
model.
I wasn't thinking, as usual, and just sat my Pennsy 50'er down with
Denny's without a name tag. So, the worst of the two was mine.

How 'bout IM's new 70T flat car? I asked what the prototype was and
was told it's coming in 4 road names! Their war emergency box cars
were a real surprise.
How many guys were able to pass Ted's display without picking up one
of those TN&O SS 40' DD box cars?

Clark Propst


Re: Prototype Rails-2009

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

There was so much to like, and even more to savour from this year's Meet, that I am unable to truly line up specific favorites. However, the overall best feature of this gathering of prototype railroad modelers is the relaxed intensely sociable good natured and relaxed culture promoted by Mike Brock et al, i.e. - "Leave your ego at the door!". Cameraderie trumped all else, and cameraderie with some of the very finest railroad modelers in the country to boot.

The pleasant hours spent just sitting around talking with friends, old and new, are my best memories. That Mike makes the big display/ ballroom available for such socializing during the entire meet actively promotes these activities. So much of whatever success that I have currently in Prototype Modeling can be traced right back to such personal networking.

My second best memories were the fine meals a shifting group of disreputable usual-suspect Steam Era Freight Car listers shared at Florida Seafoods most evenings. On good authority, I have been informed that this good (that is- GREAT) food institution was planning to ration the amount of shrimp being served, should this raffish mob had actually shown up one more night.

Three of the more unsung heroes of this fine meeting are Jeff Aley, Marty Megregian and Armand Premo.

Jeff managed the Clinics with quick and silent efficiency. He works throughout the year to both recruit Clinicians and then manage the schedule, and finally installs/operates/fixes the audiovisual equipment. "The trains departed and arrived on time".

Marty handled the displays and the vendors with immense good humor and enthusiasm (Marty has a busy dental office with an operating O scale railroad, and two Indian motorcycles on display- a person with obviously well grounded Reality Testing).

Armand, a seriously-displaced northern Vermonter, handled the registration- an oft thankless, but absolutely essential task.

Mike Brock? Well........., ah-h-h, h-mm <foolish grin>.

If I am correct, Prototype Rails 2010 will be this fine meet's tenth anniversary. I have attended them all, and I already look forward to greeting once again so many old friends, and countless new friends this next January.

Denny








Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

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