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Car and Loco Builders' Cyclopedia

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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars

destron@...
 

Steve,

Thanks for that. I'm curious, though: latex lining? Hearing from someone
who worked for the C&O and did extensive switching work at the Polymer
Corp. plant at Sarnia, they moved a lot of latices in tank cars (which I
assume would have been cars like this, and the photo seems to suggest
that, too; it wouldn't have been their own PCLX cars, since those were
105s and pressurized, and my best guess is, as I mentioned, that they were
used for butadiene and such things). Would the latex lining not react
somehow with the latex then loaded into the tank? Do you have information
on the specifications of such a latex lining?

On a tangent, from the above-mentioned ex-C&O employee I got some info
about the PCLX tank cars: he said they seemed 'different' from other tank
cars, were short (he guesses about 38' in length) and were a medium blue
colour. Unfortunately, he didn't get any photos, though he mentioned that
they had appeared to have been sitting disused for quite a while (rusty
wheels).

Barring a fluke discovery of a photo of one of the PCLX tank cars, I'm not
sure I'll ever get anything more detailed about them. So I'm curious as to
what these cars may have looked like, or what they were similar to: what
other tank car series were there that were ICC 105, about 38' in length?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

According to the 1952 roster of UTLX tank cars, 25000 - 25100 were 10,000
gallon X-3 tank cars with insulation and jacketing. They were lined with
latex. My suspicion would be that these would have been renumbered from
earlier cars, probably when the special lining was provided. So that
could have been in 1950, as the reweigh date shows. Whether all 100 cars
were leased by and lettered for Polysar, is not known.

I hope that this is helpful. Thanks for sharing the photo!

Happy Thanksgiving.

Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Valoczy
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars



In looking through old annual reports of the Polymer Corporation, Ltd.
of Sarnia, Ontario, I found a photo of a UTLX tank car, #25100,
wearing Polymer Corp.'s "Polysar" logo. I've scanned it and uploaded
to the files section, as "polysar4.png" in the "Frank's Randomness"
folder.

Does anyone happen to have information on this? When did the lease
start (the date visible on the car is 1950), and how many cars were
leased? Were they all in the same series?

A related question: Polymer Corp. had a number of its own tank cars
from 1946 till the 60s, all TPI ICC 105A300W (I assume for
transporting butadiene and such monomers that require transportation
under pressure to keep it liquid). They were numbered 143, 146, 170,
171, 181 and 183. Does anyone know where I might find information on
or photos of these cars?

Thanks.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC








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Re: P&LE 36' DS box trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Dean Payne wrote:

The car number on the F&C website is 32329, I'm not sure what the
series was. However, the lot number is 275B. I'm looking for what
trucks it would have had in 1937 (I realize that there might have been
a couple of different styles at this stage.)





Lot # 275B consisted of 2,000 cars built for the P&LE in 1912 by the
Pressed Steel Car Co. and numbered P&LE 32000-33999. The same design
was built by the thousands in 1912-'13 for the NYC and its
subsidiaries (MC, Big 4, B&A, and CASO all got them, as well as NYC
and P&LE). I don't have any photos of the P&LE cars but both
builder's and in-service photos of other cars of this design built at
the same time show all of them with early Andrews L-section trucks
with one-piece sloping journal box retainers as modeled in HO by Kadee.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Philadelphia Quartz Type 21 tank car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Brian Leppert wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:....
PQX 805-858 and 512-518 were essentially identical; both series
were
8K gal. Type 21s. (Type 21s continued to be produced, at least as
late as 1929, after the Type 27 was introduced). Both series came
from the builders with 40 ton ARA trucks with spring planks (i.e.,
Accurail). .

Richard Hendrickson
Please don't forget Tahoe Model Works' Buckeye ARA truck. I think
it's a closer match than Accurail's.















Oops. I should have thought of Brian's Buckeye truck. I probably
didn't because it represents a double-truss truck, but the double
truss feature of the sideframes is subtle, and in other respects it's
actually a better choice than the Accurail truck - especially on a
tank car, where the fine brake rigging detail on the Tahoe truck is
quite visible.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 27, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Steve Hile wrote:
According to the 1952 roster of UTLX tank cars, 25000 - 25100 were
10,000 gallon X-3 tank cars with insulation and jacketing. They were
lined with latex.
Normally, insulated and jacketed but non-pressure cars were ICC
104 and UTLX X-4. Was that not the case for these cars?








True, but cars originally built as non-insulated ICC-103s which later
had insulation and jacketing applied often retained their ICC-103
designation. I have numerous photos if insulated cars stenciled
ICC-103 (or, if built in the 1920s, ARA III).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

I haven't gotten any!

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GM&O 21000-22419


Brian J Carlson wrote:
> Did anyone else get 6 copies of Tim's reply?

Yes, and they're still coming--I'm up to eight. Tim, don't hold down
the send key <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dean Payne wrote:
Are there any especially good sources for "pipe"? I've got a bunch of coffee stirrers, of course, but I don't know if there is something better. (Mine are a scale 35' 8" or so, 10" approx. OD)
That's a good size for small pipe. Larger pipe is well represented by drinking straws, especially the oversize ones used for milkshakes. As already mentioned, McDonalds has good ones. I've used them with grimy black paint and they look fine to represent linepipe.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Hile wrote:
According to the 1952 roster of UTLX tank cars, 25000 - 25100 were 10,000 gallon X-3 tank cars with insulation and jacketing. They were lined with latex.
Normally, insulated and jacketed but non-pressure cars were ICC 104 and UTLX X-4. Was that not the case for these cars?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian J Carlson wrote:
Did anyone else get 6 copies of Tim's reply?
Yes, and they're still coming--I'm up to eight. Tim, don't hold down the send key <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Frank,

According to the 1952 roster of UTLX tank cars, 25000 - 25100 were 10,000 gallon X-3 tank cars with insulation and jacketing. They were lined with latex. My suspicion would be that these would have been renumbered from earlier cars, probably when the special lining was provided. So that could have been in 1950, as the reweigh date shows. Whether all 100 cars were leased by and lettered for Polysar, is not known.

I hope that this is helpful. Thanks for sharing the photo!

Happy Thanksgiving.

Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Valoczy
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars



In looking through old annual reports of the Polymer Corporation, Ltd.
of Sarnia, Ontario, I found a photo of a UTLX tank car, #25100,
wearing Polymer Corp.'s "Polysar" logo. I've scanned it and uploaded
to the files section, as "polysar4.png" in the "Frank's Randomness"
folder.

Does anyone happen to have information on this? When did the lease
start (the date visible on the car is 1950), and how many cars were
leased? Were they all in the same series?

A related question: Polymer Corp. had a number of its own tank cars
from 1946 till the 60s, all TPI ICC 105A300W (I assume for
transporting butadiene and such monomers that require transportation
under pressure to keep it liquid). They were numbered 143, 146, 170,
171, 181 and 183. Does anyone know where I might find information on
or photos of these cars?

Thanks.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Schuyler Larrabee
 

SIX inches? How large a diameter is it? Most concrete pipe I've seen at the size of say 30"
diameter, is around 2-2.5" wall.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian J Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:31 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pipe loads on the cheap

The Walthers pipe load should look thick as it is supposed to be concrete
pipe. The side wall thickness should be around 6"

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Payne" <1payne1@windstream.net <mailto:1payne1%40windstream.net> >
The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey").



Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Did anyone else get 6 copies of Tim's reply?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

The Walthers pipe load should look thick as it is supposed to be concrete
pipe. The side wall thickness should be around 6"

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Payne" <1payne1@windstream.net>
The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey").


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/

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