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SP B-50-20 box cars -1

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Sorry but I should have added that I searched the archives and found 3
messages, none of which answered any of my questions.
Gene Green


SP B-50-20 box cars

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

I am looking at a Pressed Steel Car Co. ad in the Oct. 21, 1944 issue
of Railway Age on pages 10 & 11. The ad has a B&W photo (What a
misnomer that is. It is shades of grey, not black and white.) of SP
B-50-20 box car 84199 built 12-40.

From the legible dimensional data can be read IL 40-6, IW 9-2 and IH
10-0, all of which matches the IMWX/Red Caboose box car. The Red
Caboose web site lists "RC-8038 Southern Pacific 96220-96919 First
600 Superior., remaining cars were Youngstown."

The car in the photo has 5 panels on each side of the door, 4/5 (top
to bottom) round-corner Dreadnaught ends and an Equipco 3160 hand
brake. The roof and running boards are not visible enough to
identify. If I had to guess, though, I'd say the running board is
Apex.

Are both the 84199 car number and the number series listed by Red
Caboose correct?

In what year were the 96220-96919 cars built?

The SP herald appears to be black and white and about 36" in diameter.

Are decals or dry transfers suitable for this car available somewhere?

The photo runs across two pages and does not lend itself to copying
or scanning but if someone asked I would do my best.
Thanks in advance to any who can shed light
Gene Green


Re: MECHANICAL REEFERS

seaboard_1966
 

check out the WrightTRAK Mechanical reefer at www.wrighttrak.com

Denis Blake

----- Original Message -----
From: "joel norman" <mec-bml@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] MECHANICAL REEFERS


Gentleman:Who offers in HO a mechanical reefer for the 1955-1960 era?
Thanks
Joel Norman


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Re: B&O R7

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Mark - It required only a new decal and building an old model. You will notice that I have issued only one completely new kit in the last 18 months and that one was promised (and started) over 2 years ago. We have a few more expensive house projects to complete and then I'll take it easier. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Pierce
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O R7


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, " Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:
>
> Photos of the B&O R7 ice car are now up on our web site
www.westerfield.biz. We'll be launching the kit at Timonium. - Al
Westerfield
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This doesn't sound much like semi-retirement to me.

Mark


Re: MECHANICAL REEFERS

Tim O'Connor
 

Joel

1. Athearn PFE (plastic)
2. PacificHO-SilverStreak-GoldenSpike FGE/BRE/WFE (plastic)
3. Wright Trak FGE/BRE/WFE (resin kit)

Thas it. (2 and 3 are basically the same car.)

Tim O'Connor

At 1/24/2009 04:01 AM Saturday, you wrote:
Gentleman:Who offers in HO a mechanical reefer for the 1955-1960 era?
Thanks
Joel Norman


MECHANICAL REEFERS

joel norman <mec-bml@...>
 

Gentleman:Who offers in HO a mechanical reefer for the 1955-1960 era?
Thanks
Joel Norman


Re: B&O R7

Mark Pierce <marcoperforar@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, " Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

Photos of the B&O R7 ice car are now up on our web site
www.westerfield.biz. We'll be launching the kit at Timonium. - Al
Westerfield

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
This doesn't sound much like semi-retirement to me.

Mark


B&O R7

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Photos of the B&O R7 ice car are now up on our web site www.westerfield.biz. We'll be launching the kit at Timonium. - Al Westerfield


Re: GATC Type 30

Paul Lyons
 

Totally agree Tim,
I?purchased?a dozen of the RC/Drake tank cars in the last year all for less than $110, with four having factory paint. There are better ways to spend your time than building this Sunshine kit.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 6:22 pm
Subject: [STMFC] re: GATC Type 30






This is the same prototype as the Drake brass import,
yes? I opened Jim Hays' PDF flyer and it looks like the
same selection of road names that Drake did.

Not to dis Sunshine, but if you value your time... I
have seen those Drake cars go for $100 or less on Ebay.

Tim O'Connor


Re: GATC Type 30

Tim O'Connor
 

This is the same prototype as the Drake brass import,
yes? I opened Jim Hays' PDF flyer and it looks like the
same selection of road names that Drake did.

Not to dis Sunshine, but if you value your time... I
have seen those Drake cars go for $100 or less on Ebay.

Tim O'Connor


Sunshine website update

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Today I received a mailing from Sunshine about the California meets. It also included a flyer on a new kit release, NYC & Rutland milk/express cars. I've added this flyer to my Recent Releases page and updated the Sunshine Meets page to include the 2009 California meets flyer. See them at www.sunshinekits.com.

The California flyers also mention several other new kits, SFRD Rr-18 & 10/37 reefers, D&RGW 36' boxcar, SP B-50-13/14 boxcars, and an SP tank car. I have the D&RGW flyer but if anyone going to an East Coast show in the near future picks up flyers for the rest of these, I'd appreciate it if you'd scan and email or snailmail them to me.

I'm rushing this update but I will very soon have an update which will include every flyer from #1 to #88 on the Flyers by RR page plus a few minor updates.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: Sunshine's GATC Type 30 tankcars

Bill Darnaby
 

It is accurate AFAIK.

Bill Darnaby

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Sunshine's GATC Type 30 tankcars


Is the tank itself dimensionally correct or is it a standin?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
The new GATC tankcar is an Intermountain tank with a resin frame and dome.
The new dome is larger than the Intermountain version requiring enlarging
the dome hole in the tank a little.


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Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Caboose of a Different Color C-2502

James Mischke <jmischke@...>
 

In the late 1930's, B&O had quite a few displays of their
innovative equipment for fairs and local centennials. The New
York 1939 World's Fair was a biggie. Freight car and caboose
paint seemed to be mainly aluminum with black lettering. Not a
service paint.

Faux paint is common. Example: In a 1000 car new freight car
order, the first car is built, a meeting with the railroad held
in its presence, and a punch list of changes negotiated. This
first car is often painted gray or aluminum with black lettering
for camera friendliness, then repainted like the others before
delivery. Folklore has it this gray paint might be water
soluable and washed off ... this needs verification.

There are times when this first car builders photo is the only
view extent to historians, and model decals thus produced. Best
example might be the J&L three dome tank cars for coal tar,
modeled in early primitive brass from NorthWest (?). Prototype
might have been black in service from the beginning. If we had
more photos.




gphager wrote:


I saw in a generic railroad picture book an interesting B&O caboose.
It was a "wagon top" in a black and white picture. The body was a
light color. White, silver or gray. The lettering was most likely
black. It also had barricade stripes on the end. As with these style
of books the caption gave no specifics. Does anyone know the story of
this car?


Re: W&LE paint colors in 1947

proto48er
 

Brian -

Thank you very much!

The stinkin' inside out gon is what started me measuring freight cars!
I made three "O" scale brass models from incorrect plans (RMC, January,
1968, p. 43). In about 1969, I decided to start measuring and
photographing freight cars myself so that would never happen again.
Now, 200+ measured freight cars later, I am finally getting close to
finishing a correct WLE gon (thanks to Larry Kline)! In the meantime,
I have learned how to make short-run dies to make brass side stakes
(the absence of external side stakes is what made the WLE gon so
attractive) and other stuff, but that little demon has pestered me for
many years to do one of these gons CORRECTLY!

Sweet are the uses of adversity that doth, like a toad, pour forth a
deadly venom, and yet hath a jewel in its head. (Shakespeare, "As You
Like It")

Thanks again! A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

A.T. Both the hoppers and the inside out gons were black.
Brian Carlson
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:56:42 -0000, proto48er wrote
Guys -

Thought it best to ask the whole group what paint colors were used
on W&LE freight equipment in the 1946-1948 era, before being
repainted by NKP.

Specifically, what was the color of the "inside out" gondolas, W&LE
#73000-73099, in the 1946-1948 era, before being repainted by NKP?

What was the color that W&LE painted their offset side hoppers.


Re: Sunshine's GATC Type 30 tankcars

Dave Nelson
 

Is the tank itself dimensionally correct or is it a standin?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
The new GATC tankcar is an Intermountain tank with a resin frame and dome.
The new dome is larger than the Intermountain version requiring enlarging
the dome hole in the tank a little.


Re: W&LE paint colors in 1947

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

A.T. Both the hoppers and the inside out gons were black.
Brian Carlson
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:56:42 -0000, proto48er wrote

Guys -

Thought it best to ask the whole group what paint colors were used
on W&LE freight equipment in the 1946-1948 era, before being
repainted by NKP.

Specifically, what was the color of the "inside out" gondolas, W&LE
#73000-73099, in the 1946-1948 era, before being repainted by NKP?

What was the color that W&LE painted their offset side hoppers.


Re: Wabash colors (was Re: New Intermountain Cars)

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

These W&LE gons were Black.
Brian Carlson

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:36:59 -0000, proto48er wrote

Chet -

Do you have any information about the paint color on the W&LE #73000-
73199 "inside out" 66' IL gons that later became NKP #65100-65199?
What color were they painted on the WLE in 1947 or so, just before
the repainting to NKP? A couple of us "O" scale guys need to paint
one. Thanks!


W&LE paint colors in 1947

proto48er
 

Guys -

Thought it best to ask the whole group what paint colors were used on
W&LE freight equipment in the 1946-1948 era, before being repainted by
NKP.

Specifically, what was the color of the "inside out" gondolas, W&LE
#73000-73099, in the 1946-1948 era, before being repainted by NKP?

What was the color that W&LE painted their offset side hoppers in this
time period?

I suspect that these cars were painted black, but if any were painted
red, what shade of red was it? B&W photos appear to show a color
different from freight car red. Anyone have a model paint formulation
that they use for the red?

Thanks!

A.T. Kott


Wabash colors (was Re: New Intermountain Cars)

proto48er
 

Chet -

Do you have any information about the paint color on the W&LE #73000-
73199 "inside out" 66' IL gons that later became NKP #65100-65199?
What color were they painted on the WLE in 1947 or so, just before
the repainting to NKP? A couple of us "O" scale guys need to paint
one. Thanks!

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Chet French" <cfrench@...> wrote:
..... The Wabash 65' mill gons were black. The Wabash painted their
steel gons and hopper cars black. Composite gons were painted oxide
red. The Wabash did purchase some Bethlehem gons from the CNJ (CRP)
in 1963 which were painted oxide red .....

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Wabash colors (was Re: New Intermountain Cars)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 22, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Chet French wrote:

Sorry Richard, the flat cars were painted oxide red. The Wabash
65' mill gons were black....



Arrgh! That's what I get for trusting to memory instead of looking
at the documentation. I knew the long gons were black and thought I
recalled that the flat cars were as well. Wrong! My apologies.


Richard Hendrickson

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