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Do Not Hump Decal
pennsylvania1954
A very mundane question: can anyone point me toward an HO decal set
that has the slogan "Do Not Hump" in white letters? Thanks for the help! Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL
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Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: Aley, Jeff A . . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used Archer decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on the Archer website). ----- Original Message ----- Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here: http://www.archertransfers.com/ KL
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Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions
Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
Good write up. Any pictures of the event?
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--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> wrote:
From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> Subject: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 9:01 AM Prototype Rails 2009, in Cocoa Beach, FL, was a good meeting. I am the Clinic Chairman, and here are my biased comments. As usual, it was a lot of work and a lot of fun. Attendance was pretty good; we had 241 folks show up, down slightly from last year's ~275. Considering the state of the economy, I think this is pretty good. I attended a few clinics when I wasn't running around keeping things on track. Here are my impressions: Greg Komar did a clinic on model photography. I learned a lot about lighting. Greg showed how much more realistic a model photo can be if you give it strong light that casts sharp, dark shadows, instead of that uniform gray light we all get from our fluorescent tubes. If you want to show off your underbody detailing, go for the uniform "high overcast" lighting. But if you want a photo that looks like a prototype photo, go with a bright point-source light to simulate the sun. He also demonstrated Helicon Focus, and after seeing it in person, I'm sold on it! Brian Carlson showed how he analyzed a bunch of yard photos to confirm the Nelson - Gilbert boxcar distribution model, and then how he applied that to his model fleet. He took the analysis a step farther by examining each of the railroads with large fleets, and determining what type or class of cars best represent a given RR. Greg Martin, with help from Denny Anspach, presented this year's Shake-n-Take clinic. Denny gave a tutorial on how to install Accumate scale couplers (w/ scale coupler boxes / draft gear) and the proper air hose w/ PSC bracket. Greg then showed us how to kitbash the Accurail stock car to produce a UP S-40-10. The kitbash included new resin ends from Southern Car & Foundry. I know there were many folks who worked behind the scenes to make this clinic happen, and I will let Greg or Denny point out who those folks are (lest I leave someone out). Jon Addison showed how he makes realistic water. He demonstrated how he paints the bottom of a stream, and how he applies DAP Crystal-Clear caulk (not "clear", but "Crystal Clear") for waves. The caulk usually is applied over a layer of Envirotex. He also showed how he uses Liquitex Gloss Medium and poly-fiber to make rapids. The latter was the most impressive to me. I had heard of people using poly-fiber to make rapids, and I had even seen some examples, but none was as good as Jon's. He stressed that with poly-fiber, "less is more". Jim Murrie showed how he built a prototypical model of a large passenger terminal. He selected Everett St. Station on the MILW as his prototype. He showed a lot about the passenger train operations (switching out various cars between trains) and how there was plenty of passenger action to keep operations interesting. Finally, I moderated a panel on boxcar distribution, and how it influences the fleets of boxcars that we should have on our railroads. The distinguised panel included Brian Carlson, Armand Premo, Larry Kline, Frank Peacock, and Mike Brock, with lively comments thrown in from the audience by Bruce Smith. There was some debate, but the general consensus was that one should start with the Gilbert-Nelson model (boxcars in proportion to the national averages), and then adjust it for home road cars and interchange partners. The latter should be dealt with carefully, since some roads interchanged more traffic than others (e.g. SP-UP (many cars) vs WP-UP (few cars) at Ogden, UT). Armand also clearly showed that Canadian cars had a big impact on roads near the border. Era and even season (grain rush) is also a factor. Other thoughts: The hotel did well, as usual. Nobody bothered with their lunch - everyone chose to go out, for various reasons. Dinner was pretty good and the banquet was surprisingly quick. The weather was all that we had hoped for - sunny and warm. Many folks are not looking forward to going home to deep snow and ice. As usual the model displays were great. Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used Archer decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on the Archer website). Bruce explained to me how he did it, and I'm going to buy some Archer rivet decals very soon. Ted Culotta uses the "small" rivets in some of the patterns for his resin kits. I also learned a bunch of stuff about laser kits from Jon Cagle, and a bunch about the St. Louis RPM meet from John Golden. I also had a quick look at the war-emergency box cars from IM (I'm not really qualified to review them). There were lots of good folks to talk to, and lots of good stuff to learn. I will look forward to comments from other attendees to see what they thought of Prototype Rails 2009. Regards, -Jeff ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions
Aley, Jeff A
Prototype Rails 2009, in Cocoa Beach, FL, was a good meeting. I am the Clinic Chairman, and here are my biased comments.
As usual, it was a lot of work and a lot of fun. Attendance was pretty good; we had 241 folks show up, down slightly from last year's ~275. Considering the state of the economy, I think this is pretty good. I attended a few clinics when I wasn't running around keeping things on track. Here are my impressions: Greg Komar did a clinic on model photography. I learned a lot about lighting. Greg showed how much more realistic a model photo can be if you give it strong light that casts sharp, dark shadows, instead of that uniform gray light we all get from our fluorescent tubes. If you want to show off your underbody detailing, go for the uniform "high overcast" lighting. But if you want a photo that looks like a prototype photo, go with a bright point-source light to simulate the sun. He also demonstrated Helicon Focus, and after seeing it in person, I'm sold on it! Brian Carlson showed how he analyzed a bunch of yard photos to confirm the Nelson - Gilbert boxcar distribution model, and then how he applied that to his model fleet. He took the analysis a step farther by examining each of the railroads with large fleets, and determining what type or class of cars best represent a given RR. Greg Martin, with help from Denny Anspach, presented this year's Shake-n-Take clinic. Denny gave a tutorial on how to install Accumate scale couplers (w/ scale coupler boxes / draft gear) and the proper air hose w/ PSC bracket. Greg then showed us how to kitbash the Accurail stock car to produce a UP S-40-10. The kitbash included new resin ends from Southern Car & Foundry. I know there were many folks who worked behind the scenes to make this clinic happen, and I will let Greg or Denny point out who those folks are (lest I leave someone out). Jon Addison showed how he makes realistic water. He demonstrated how he paints the bottom of a stream, and how he applies DAP Crystal-Clear caulk (not "clear", but "Crystal Clear") for waves. The caulk usually is applied over a layer of Envirotex. He also showed how he uses Liquitex Gloss Medium and poly-fiber to make rapids. The latter was the most impressive to me. I had heard of people using poly-fiber to make rapids, and I had even seen some examples, but none was as good as Jon's. He stressed that with poly-fiber, "less is more". Jim Murrie showed how he built a prototypical model of a large passenger terminal. He selected Everett St. Station on the MILW as his prototype. He showed a lot about the passenger train operations (switching out various cars between trains) and how there was plenty of passenger action to keep operations interesting. Finally, I moderated a panel on boxcar distribution, and how it influences the fleets of boxcars that we should have on our railroads. The distinguised panel included Brian Carlson, Armand Premo, Larry Kline, Frank Peacock, and Mike Brock, with lively comments thrown in from the audience by Bruce Smith. There was some debate, but the general consensus was that one should start with the Gilbert-Nelson model (boxcars in proportion to the national averages), and then adjust it for home road cars and interchange partners. The latter should be dealt with carefully, since some roads interchanged more traffic than others (e.g. SP-UP (many cars) vs WP-UP (few cars) at Ogden, UT). Armand also clearly showed that Canadian cars had a big impact on roads near the border. Era and even season (grain rush) is also a factor. Other thoughts: The hotel did well, as usual. Nobody bothered with their lunch - everyone chose to go out, for various reasons. Dinner was pretty good and the banquet was surprisingly quick. The weather was all that we had hoped for - sunny and warm. Many folks are not looking forward to going home to deep snow and ice. As usual the model displays were great. Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used Archer decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on the Archer website). Bruce explained to me how he did it, and I'm going to buy some Archer rivet decals very soon. Ted Culotta uses the "small" rivets in some of the patterns for his resin kits. I also learned a bunch of stuff about laser kits from Jon Cagle, and a bunch about the St. Louis RPM meet from John Golden. I also had a quick look at the war-emergency box cars from IM (I'm not really qualified to review them). There were lots of good folks to talk to, and lots of good stuff to learn. I will look forward to comments from other attendees to see what they thought of Prototype Rails 2009. Regards, -Jeff
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Re: Loose coal in boxcars
Mark Mathu
That reminds me of a Lionel giraffe car!My wife is a transit planner, and 15 years ago she worked on the Milwaukee light rail system (never built - but when she transferred to that project is when we met, so I guess every dark cloud has a silver lining). Milwaukee was known for its annual circus parade and one of the features was a giraffe which stuck it's head out of a hole in the roof of a circus wagon, kind of like that Lionel car. The circus parade route was on one of the light rail routes. The light rail planners had to spend a little time determining what the maximum design height of a giraffe sticking out of a circus wagon would actually be... if a giraffe would have hit the planned 600-volt line it would have been a public relations nightmare... __________ Mark Mathu Whitefish Bay, Wis.
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Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699
Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
Mark
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My apologies. I edited my original reply and put things back to front. I should have said "With the exception of 18700-19399 (which were built with truck type 81)". 18400-699 were built with the ASF type A-3 ride control version. Sorry about that. Rupert Gamlen Auckland NZ
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From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@hotmail.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699 Hi Rupert,
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Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699
Mark Heiden
Hi Rupert,
Thanks for the information. What sort of trucks are the type 81? I've got a fairly clear shot of CBQ 18471, and it has trucks that look very much like an ASF A-3 ride control. Does the type 81 look similar to an ASF A-3? Thanks, Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote: 9001-9250 (built 1951).81,) the XM-32C's were built with truck type 79 (ASF type A-3 ride controlversion) 18400- few18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a photo thatquestions about these cars. Could anyone tell me: notmay show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am certain.
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Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar
spsalso
different UP lettering schemes, every one with all-yellow lettering.I picked up a boxed set of 20 of the Trix 40' UP boxcars when "the price was right". There are four different basic schemes including the early white and yellow "Road of the Streamliners". Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699
Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
Mark
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To broaden your target for photos, other cars in class XM-32C were 18700-19399 (built 1951), C&S 1250-1499 (built 1950-1) and FW&D 9001-9250 (built 1951). With the exception 18400-699 (which were built with truck type 81,) the XM-32C's were built with truck type 79 (ASF type A-3 ride control version) Rupert Gamlen Auckland NZ
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From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699 Mark
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Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699
Mark
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A photo of CB&Q 18675 shows AJAX handbrake and APEX (grid style) running board and brake step. Bracket-style grab irons. Also, no poling pockets. The trucks are in shadow and can't be identified. Tim O'Connor
I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ 18400-
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Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699
Mark Heiden
Hello everyone,
I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ 18400- 18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a few questions about these cars. Could anyone tell me: 1) What running boards these cars were built with? 2) What handbrakes were used? 3) Were these cars equipped with brake adjustors? I have one photo that may show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am not certain. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Heiden
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Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar
Robert kirkham
Thanks Tom,
I couldn't manage Cocoa this year either - maybe next. In any event, those temperatures don't seem to hard to manage. But I take your point - I'll wait for the RMC article to be published. Rob Kirkham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:25 PM To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar Rob Kirkham asked:It was only warm - maybe 80 to 85 F. Ted's article is supposed to be in
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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - new models - "May 2009" arrival
water.kresse@...
Are these O-scale or H0?
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From: "devansprr" <devans1@erols.com> Just received the Atlas e-mail update. The January 2009 announcements include 6 new paint schemes and 3 "body styles" to include Murphy, Viking, and "11 panel flat riveted roofs", each with different ends. Road names are CofG (a 60's paint scheme), Erie in both 1932 and 1947 paint (primarily different size heralds), Lousiana and Arkansas, Seaboard "Orange Blossom Special", and what I think is a 1930's UP scheme. Roof and ends are not noted in the text, but the keen eyes in this group can probably discern this from the artwork - assuming it is accurate. If it isn't, there may be time to set Atlas straight? All three body styles also will be offered undecorated. Looks like Atlas is coming through on their promise to offer many car configurations and schemes. Four of the schemes fit my WWII era, assuming a few UP boxcars would still be out there without the yellow script messages on the side ("Route of the streamliners"?). Well done Atlas. Price TBA. Now that the dollar has rebounded, and plastic is cheap once again, does anyone think the price may actually drop? ;-( Dave Evans
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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - new models - "May 2009" arrival
Arnold van Heyst
Dave,
Couldn't find it. Can you please give me link? Regards, Arnold van Heyst Netherlands. http://www.flickr.com/photos/heyst/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar
Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
Rob Kirkham asked:
It was only warm - maybe 80 to 85 F. Ted's article is supposed to be in the February RMC which should be showing up any day. I didn't do Cocoa Beach this year so can't ask Ted if he has any particular hints, and I suspect he and many of the STMFC "names" at Cocoa Beach are off-list for the duration. Tom Madden
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Stripping Trix UP boxcar
Robert kirkham
Tom, that's interesting as I have some of these cars to work on too. I wonder about what temperature your ultrasonic cleaner raises the temperature of the cleaning fluid to? I don't have one, but could raise the temperature in other less sophisticated ways (in a closed container - I don't think the fumes are a good idea to have around).
Rob Kirkham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:08 PM To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar ... That did the trick, but it wasn't straightforward. Soaking for half... Guess I'll strip and reletter my Trix A-50-19 while I'm at it.
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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - new models - "May 2009" arrival
Ed Hawkins
On Jan 9, 2009, at 5:14 PM, devansprr wrote:
Four of the schemes fit my WWII era, assuming a few UP boxcars wouldDave, A "few" UP box cars wouldn't be prototypical since UP had only one car of this type, number 182500, B-50-18, built 5-36. Builder's photos appear on pages 77-78 in Terry Metcalfe's book Union Pacific Freight Cars as well as a broadside view in Ted's 1932 ARA box car book. Perhaps someone knows of an in-service photo of the car having train slogans, but it wasn't published in either of these books. The builder's photo shows a simple scheme lacking any slogans. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Atlas '32 AAR Box - new models - "May 2009" arrival
devansprr
Just received the Atlas e-mail update. The January 2009 announcements
include 6 new paint schemes and 3 "body styles" to include Murphy, Viking, and "11 panel flat riveted roofs", each with different ends. Road names are CofG (a 60's paint scheme), Erie in both 1932 and 1947 paint (primarily different size heralds), Lousiana and Arkansas, Seaboard "Orange Blossom Special", and what I think is a 1930's UP scheme. Roof and ends are not noted in the text, but the keen eyes in this group can probably discern this from the artwork - assuming it is accurate. If it isn't, there may be time to set Atlas straight? All three body styles also will be offered undecorated. Looks like Atlas is coming through on their promise to offer many car configurations and schemes. Four of the schemes fit my WWII era, assuming a few UP boxcars would still be out there without the yellow script messages on the side ("Route of the streamliners"?). Well done Atlas. Price TBA. Now that the dollar has rebounded, and plastic is cheap once again, does anyone think the price may actually drop? ;-( Dave Evans
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Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar
Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
In late October I posted this:
Are the Trix and Marklin B-50-24/27 the same? I bought two of theTo follow this up, Ted Culotta's next Essential Freight Cars article is supposed to cover upgrading this model. He's been offering the Trix/Marklin model through his eBay store packaged with his welded underframe and decals, if anyone wants to get a head start. The eBay listing shows a beautiful relettered model, and notes the original car was stripped with Scalecoat stripper for plastics. In light of my previous failure to strip one of these models, and armed with a lot of respect for Ted and his abilities, I put on my WWTD (What Would Ted Do) T-shirt, hied myself off to Caboose Hobbies and bought a new bottle of Scalecoat Wash Away. That did the trick, but it wasn't straightforward. Soaking for half an hour and scrubbing with an old toothbrush eventually took off the large UNION PACIFIC and BE SPECIFIC lettering pretty cleanly, but the smaller lettering was unmoved. So, into the ultrasonic cleaner and, once the energy of the ultrasonic had heated the Wash Away, the lettering and all the paint literally blew off the shell. (I put the Wash Away in a tall jar, and put that into the ultrasonic cleaner, which had a couple inches of water in it.) So now I'm removing the roof from the model and will replace it with a correct IMWX/Red Caboose roof. Marklin offered these in sets of ten, with about that many different UP lettering schemes, every one with all-yellow lettering. From the way the shell stripped, I'm guessing the lettering common to all the versions was printed and cured first, with the version-specific lettering printed separately. That would give the small lettering a double cure - either heat or UV, I suspect - and explain its reluctance to depart the shell until the underlying paint fell away. Guess I'll strip and reletter my Trix A-50-19 while I'm at it. Tom Madden
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New HO & S resin kits coming ...
Jim King
My recent announcement re: upcoming S scale resin kits (B&O M53 wagontop box
and SAL B7 turtleback box) has now spread into HO, at least for the B&O car. I'm pleased to announce a collaboration between Smoky Mtn. Model Works and Wright Trak Models on the M53. CAD work will start in 2 weeks with a target release date of the HO car in March and the S car right behind it. The kit will include the "plain" and Youngstown doors with every intent toward making them operable (no guarantees). At least 3 paint schemes are planned. Next is a new HO car now in production by Wright Trak. I delivered the first 100 sets of the Southern 1951 Spencer-built wood rack body and underframe castings (with brass strip weights) to Gary this afternoon. He will be the source for this car, so contact him for availability. Target ship date is by month's end. They will be available direct and thru his dealer network. These cars will be offered with Roman and Block font decals, spanning 1951 until retirement in the early 80s. The C&O car I'm producing in S will likely be offered by Gary, so if you're a C&O nut, let him know you're interested. 2009 is gonna be a BIG year for HO and S resin kits! Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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