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Re: New Intermountain Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Chet

Were the Wabash AAR flat cars painted black, or oxide red?




Black.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: New Intermountain Cars

jerryglow2
 

I don't like what I see on the web site shot. The trend has been
toward wire for underbody plumbing and rods but in the pic they look
like the molded items we've seen in the past. Is it wire or ??

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gn3397" <heninger@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Hunter, James R." <jhunter@> wrote:

I just received my Intermountain GN plywood boxcar. Anyone care
to
comment on its accuracy?
Jim
From photos I have seen, the IM GN Plywood cars are solid 3-
footers. Biggest gripes: The
side sill detail is too shallow, I think the sheathing attachment
bolts are too large, and on the
painted orange and green examples I have seen, they are painted
incorrectly. The sides of
the ends should be green. It's too bad they couldn't have executed
these cars as well as their
covered hoppers.

Bottom line: I am a GN modeler, and I will be sticking with my
Sunshine cars.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Lindberg Line

Tim O'Connor
 

As a 7 year old, my dad bought me a train w/ a Revell PRR gondola,
an Athearn UP F7A, Athearn UP stock car, and Revell UP CA-1 caboose.
I was a prototype modeler and didn't even know it!

Tim O'Connor

While we are discussing older manufacturers, does the Revell wood caboose
have a prototype, please?
Cheers
Dave


Re: New Intermountain Cars

Joseph
 

Sent in an order via email to Speedwitch last week, received email from Ted 2 days later, kit within a week
Joe Binish

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Intermountain Cars


Speaking of Ted, has anyone heard from him lately? I
sent an email (regarding a Speedwitch order) a couple
of weeks ago but no reply...

Tim O'Connor


Hi Dave,

The New Haven 17300-series flats were built in 1944 by Greenville
this is the IM car (or the old Sunshine kit, if you have one). Ted
C's excellent model of a New Haven flat (K-102)represents the 17200-
series which was in service earlier.

For all STMFC modelers, additional info on New Haven Freight Cars is
always available on my web site on the freight car page;

http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/newhavenfreightcars.htm

Just pay no attention to the post '60 stuff...there isn't much of it
to avoid <VBG>

Regards,
Peter

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Re: New Intermountain Cars

Paul Lyons
 

Tim,
I spent a fair amount of time with him in Cocco Beach. He has wayyy "to many irons in the fire", other than that he is fine. Don't know what you ordered, but he has had some casting issues.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Nigel, CA 92677

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 3:44 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Intermountain Cars






Speaking of Ted, has anyone heard from him lately? I
sent an email (regarding a Speedwitch order) a couple
of weeks ago but no reply...

Tim O'Connor

Hi Dave,

The New Haven 17300-series flats were built in 1944 by Greenville
this is the IM car (or the old Sunshine kit, if you have one). Ted
C's excellent model of a New Haven flat (K-102)represents the 17200-
series which was in service earlier.

For all STMFC modelers, additional info on New Haven Freight Cars is
always available on my web site on the freight car page;

http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/newhavenfreightcars.htm

Just pay no attention to the post '60 stuff...there isn't much of it
to avoid <VBG>

Regards,
Peter


Re: New Intermountain Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Chet

Were the Wabash AAR flat cars painted black, or oxide red?

Tim O'

Bruce,
You can scratch the Wabash cars. 37 cars were built in Feb., and the
remaining 13 in March 1945 at the Wabash's Decatur shop. At the time
they were placed into service, they were the only flat cars in
revenue service on the railroad. I am surprised they weren't built
earlier to help in the war effort.
Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: New Intermountain Cars

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Hunter, James R." <jhunter@...> wrote:

I just received my Intermountain GN plywood boxcar. Anyone care to
comment on its accuracy?
Jim
From photos I have seen, the IM GN Plywood cars are solid 3-footers. Biggest gripes: The
side sill detail is too shallow, I think the sheathing attachment bolts are too large, and on the
painted orange and green examples I have seen, they are painted incorrectly. The sides of
the ends should be green. It's too bad they couldn't have executed these cars as well as their
covered hoppers.

Bottom line: I am a GN modeler, and I will be sticking with my Sunshine cars.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: New Intermountain Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Speaking of Ted, has anyone heard from him lately? I
sent an email (regarding a Speedwitch order) a couple
of weeks ago but no reply...

Tim O'Connor

Hi Dave,

The New Haven 17300-series flats were built in 1944 by Greenville
this is the IM car (or the old Sunshine kit, if you have one). Ted
C's excellent model of a New Haven flat (K-102)represents the 17200-
series which was in service earlier.

For all STMFC modelers, additional info on New Haven Freight Cars is
always available on my web site on the freight car page;

http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/newhavenfreightcars.htm

Just pay no attention to the post '60 stuff...there isn't much of it
to avoid <VBG>

Regards,
Peter


Re: Lindberg Line

jerryglow2
 

UP CA1. As to how close, I cannot answer.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "David North" <davenorth@...> wrote:

While we are discussing older manufacturers, does the Revell wood
caboose
have a prototype, please?

Cheers

Dave


Re: Lindberg Line

David North <davenorth@...>
 

While we are discussing older manufacturers, does the Revell wood caboose
have a prototype, please?

Cheers

Dave


Re: Resin kit problems...

Jim King
 

As you'll recall, I was the first to manufacture resin freight car kits. At
the time Athearn kits were selling for $3.50. We had to charge almost 5
times that much. I was really scared that the market would not support such
a price. We came in that low only by using 55 gallon drums of polyester. The
urethane we now use costs 5 times as much, ruins molds rapidly and must be
handled in very dry conditions - none of which were problems for polyester.
And one piece car bodies take 3 times as long to make as flat castings. So
as things have become much easier for the modeler the opposite is true for
the manufacturer. - Al Westerfield



Amen, Brother Westerfield!



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: New Intermountain Cars

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Dave,

Both the Sunshine kit insert and the Proto-west web page (http://
www.protowestmodels.com/ProtoWest_HO_Kits.htm) have fairly
detailed
histories for the 70 ton AAR car. From the web site I get:

ATSF (200, class Ft-V, 3/44)
DTI (50 cars, 1942)
New Haven (100, 1944)
NYC (500, 1942-43 and 500, 1950)
IHB (100, 1943)
Pere Marquette (350, WWII? and 1950?)
Wabash (50, 1944)
Baltimore & Ohio (?, 1951?)
Erie/Erie Lackawanna (200?, 1952)
CRP/CNJ (100?, date?)

I hope IM will be running other road names, and of course, undec
kits, for those who cannot wait! With the paucity of WWII models
of
70 ton flats (the PRR F30A is the only other one that comes to
mind),
these may have to be represented in higher percentages than would
be
seen nationally as "stand-ins" for other 70 ton flats. Clearly,
the
NYC fleet should be represented, perhaps by more than one car, and
a
DTI car can be used (perhaps with a home-road load from the
Detroit
Tank Arsenal? Finally, ATSF, NH, PM, Wab and CRP can be included
if
the dates work, however, my memory says that several of the "1944"
cars were past my June cut-off so they are no-go for me.

Bruce,

You can scratch the Wabash cars. 37 cars were built in Feb., and the
remaining 13 in March 1945 at the Wabash's Decatur shop. At the time
they were placed into service, they were the only flat cars in
revenue service on the railroad. I am surprised they weren't built
earlier to help in the war effort.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: New Intermountain Cars

naptownprr
 

I just received my Intermountain GN plywood boxcar. Anyone care to comment on its accuracy?
Jim

Quoting Peter Ness <prness@roadrunner.com>:

Hi Dave,

The New Haven 17300-series flats were built in 1944 by Greenville
this is the IM car (or the old Sunshine kit, if you have one). Ted
C's excellent model of a New Haven flat (K-102)represents the 17200-
series which was in service earlier.

For all STMFC modelers, additional info on New Haven Freight Cars is
always available on my web site on the freight car page;

http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/newhavenfreightcars.htm

Just pay no attention to the post '60 stuff...there isn't much of it
to avoid <VBG>

Regards,
Peter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "devansprr" <devans1@...> wrote:
<snip>
IM's site now lists 4 of the flats scheduled for May/Jun delivery, in
roads ATSF, B&O, Erie and New Haven.

My '43 ORER only shows the Erie flats (50 cars). Was this car
produced in quantity during WWII, or was it primarily a post war car
(in numbers produced). Does anyone know if the ATSF, B&O, and New
Haven bought these flats during'43 & '44?

<snip>
Thanks for any help - trying to balance a WWII fleet.

Dave Evans


Re: Lindberg Line

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 22, 2009, at 10:30 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

...The gon is an Erie prototype, 2000 built by Standard Steel Car
Co. in
1923-1924. 749 were rebuilt with sawtooth hoppers in 1934. Richard
Reichenbach's did an article on these cars in a past issue of the
ELHS' publication. (My photocopy of the article has the date cut
off. Maybe one of the Erie guys can help you out with the date of
the article.) The 1925 CBC also has a builders photo of these cars.
These were large gons - 44 ft IL - and were used mainly for hauling
coal.









Original numbers were 43000-44999. The 749 cars rebuilt into quad
hoppers got the letter H prefixed to their numbers. From late 1937
to mid-1939 600 cars were rebuilt with drop doors removed and solid
steel floors and AB air brakes applied. They were renumbered
45000-45599 and, with some judicious re-detailing, can be modeled
with the Lindberg/Mantua models.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: New Intermountain Cars

Peter Ness
 

Hi Dave,

The New Haven 17300-series flats were built in 1944 by Greenville
this is the IM car (or the old Sunshine kit, if you have one). Ted
C's excellent model of a New Haven flat (K-102)represents the 17200-
series which was in service earlier.

For all STMFC modelers, additional info on New Haven Freight Cars is
always available on my web site on the freight car page;

http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/newhavenfreightcars.htm

Just pay no attention to the post '60 stuff...there isn't much of it
to avoid <VBG>

Regards,
Peter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "devansprr" <devans1@...> wrote:
<snip>
IM's site now lists 4 of the flats scheduled for May/Jun delivery, in
roads ATSF, B&O, Erie and New Haven.

My '43 ORER only shows the Erie flats (50 cars). Was this car
produced in quantity during WWII, or was it primarily a post war car
(in numbers produced). Does anyone know if the ATSF, B&O, and New
Haven bought these flats during'43 & '44?

<snip>
Thanks for any help - trying to balance a WWII fleet.

Dave Evans


modeling cable on a crane

Robert <riverob@...>
 

My wife uses stretchable monofilament line intended for jewlery
making & beading- available in different sizes at beading stores,
it's quite strong & flexible.

Rob Simpson



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Bruce's tie-downs caught my eye at Cocoa Beach because they're all
straight not bowed, as though in tension like the 1:1 thing. They
look that way because they *are* in tension: the EZ-line stretches.
Gorgeous.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@> wrote:


On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Ned Carey wrote:

I have a Barnhart log loader (a type of crane) that I am
working on. Does anyone have a good suggestion for what to use to
model the cable?
<SNIP>

This must be a common problem for anyone who has modeled a
crane.
Any suggestions? Is there a group specifically for modeling MOW
equipment?

Ned,

I used EZ-line from Berkshire Junction (http://
www.berkshirejunction.com/) to rig my crawler crane. It has the
advantage of being flexible so I can have the boom up or down.
It is a monofilament so it looks like cable, not thread. I also use
this for the cable tie-downs on many of my loads.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
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Description : PRRT&HS Flat Car Book Order Form

You can access this file at the URL:
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To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Re: New PRR flat car book

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ed Sutorik wrote:
"New book about PRR flatcars (I received mine in the mail yesterday):

"Pennsylvania Railroad Flat Cars, Revenue & Work Equipment, 1881 to
1968" by Elden Gatwood & Al Buchan

It's a 118 page book with lots of really well reproduced photos.
There's a lot of body and captions too, but I haven't got to reading
that yet. Many of the photos show loads, something that can transfer
over to modelers interested in other railroads. It's of particular
interest to those of us who've bought the various PRR brass
depressed, well, and heavy duty flats over the years. It is an
excellent complement to the series on modeling these cars that has
appeared in the Pennsy modelers on-line magazine.

If you like odd cars, Pennsy cars, flat cars, I recommend this book.

It's published by the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical
Society and is available through them."

Ed, thanks for the plug! I've uploaded a PDF copy of the order form
in the group Files.


Ben Hom


Re: Resin kit problems...

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

As you'll recall, I was the first to manufacture resin freight car kits. At the time Athearn kits were selling for $3.50. We had to charge almost 5 times that much. I was really scared that the market would not support such a price. We came in that low only by using 55 gallon drums of polyester. The urethane we now use costs 5 times as much, ruins molds rapidly and must be handled in very dry conditions - none of which were problems for polyester. And one piece car bodies take 3 times as long to make as flat castings. So as things have become much easier for the modeler the opposite is true for the manufacturer. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Resin kit problems...


Resin (polyurethane) manufacturers are numerous, and so many resin variations are available to suit their clients with a challenging array of different production situations that few generalizations can be made. Not all, and perhaps not even"Most" resins are white. A white resin tends to be a more expensive resin. Off-whites and yellows are frequently less expensive. I have used products from Permatex and later from B&J of Tustin, CA that were yellow. These were offered as economical alternatives, and Permatex's was called "Castmaster"(if my memory can be trusted). I stepped up to the pure whites for two reasons-tinting to grey and reduced shrinking. I paid an extra $30.00/gallon kit for these options. Properties of resin include mixing viscosity, pot life, demold time, shrinking rates, cured resin hardness, bubble retention,temperature exposure ranges, and more. The challenge is to get the properties most important, for finding a perfect resin is
unlikely.

The service reps also talk about how heat curing many of the resins makes for a more stable part with less chance of post mold-removal warping, though not all resins have this heat curing property.

One generalization that I will make, most of today's resin casters are using a product which gives them useful parts. The junk resins are mostly not used. Cured resin is very stable, and future anthropologists may find religious icons of 20th century train gods in old landfills, still recognized as railroad cars and sharing space with plastic water bottles.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org> wrote:
> 2) Color is no clue as to resin quality. Normal color is
> white, but
> because this color causes such perception problems (the end
> user often
> cannot perceive sufficient detail to properly orient or fit
> parts- a
> problem shared by many with all-black styrene parts!), a
> color
> additive (commonly shades of gray) is added to the resin
> mix.


Re: modeling cable on a crane

al_brown03
 

Bruce's tie-downs caught my eye at Cocoa Beach because they're all
straight not bowed, as though in tension like the 1:1 thing. They
look that way because they *are* in tension: the EZ-line stretches.
Gorgeous.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Ned Carey wrote:

I have a Barnhart log loader (a type of crane) that I am working
on. Does anyone have a good suggestion for what to use to model
the
cable?
<SNIP>

This must be a common problem for anyone who has modeled a
crane.
Any suggestions? Is there a group specifically for modeling MOW
equipment?
Ned,

I used EZ-line from Berkshire Junction (http://
www.berkshirejunction.com/) to rig my crawler crane. It has the
advantage of being flexible so I can have the boom up or down. It
is
a monofilament so it looks like cable, not thread. I also use
this
for the cable tie-downs on many of my loads.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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