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Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

In late October I posted this:

Are the Trix and Marklin B-50-24/27 the same? I bought two of the
Marklin models with the Be Specific with large UNION PACIFIC
lettering when they first came out and would certainly use the
above parts and decals to upgrade/backdate them. Problem is, I was
unable to strip the one Marklin I tried using any paint stripper on
hand. (Brake fluid, Chameleon, Scalecoat, all with ultrasonic,
alcohol without ultrasonic.) I finally tried a light, low-angle
grit blast, but that removed the rivets as well as the paint. So
now I have one.
Any ideas??
To follow this up, Ted Culotta's next Essential Freight Cars article
is supposed to cover upgrading this model. He's been offering the
Trix/Marklin model through his eBay store packaged with his welded
underframe and decals, if anyone wants to get a head start. The eBay
listing shows a beautiful relettered model, and notes the original
car was stripped with Scalecoat stripper for plastics. In light of my
previous failure to strip one of these models, and armed with a lot
of respect for Ted and his abilities, I put on my WWTD (What Would
Ted Do) T-shirt, hied myself off to Caboose Hobbies and bought a new
bottle of Scalecoat Wash Away.

That did the trick, but it wasn't straightforward. Soaking for half
an hour and scrubbing with an old toothbrush eventually took off the
large UNION PACIFIC and BE SPECIFIC lettering pretty cleanly, but the
smaller lettering was unmoved. So, into the ultrasonic cleaner and,
once the energy of the ultrasonic had heated the Wash Away, the
lettering and all the paint literally blew off the shell. (I put the
Wash Away in a tall jar, and put that into the ultrasonic cleaner,
which had a couple inches of water in it.) So now I'm removing the
roof from the model and will replace it with a correct IMWX/Red
Caboose roof.

Marklin offered these in sets of ten, with about that many different
UP lettering schemes, every one with all-yellow lettering. From the
way the shell stripped, I'm guessing the lettering common to all the
versions was printed and cured first, with the version-specific
lettering printed separately. That would give the small lettering a
double cure - either heat or UV, I suspect - and explain its
reluctance to depart the shell until the underlying paint fell away.

Guess I'll strip and reletter my Trix A-50-19 while I'm at it.

Tom Madden


New HO & S resin kits coming ...

Jim King
 

My recent announcement re: upcoming S scale resin kits (B&O M53 wagontop box
and SAL B7 turtleback box) has now spread into HO, at least for the B&O car.
I'm pleased to announce a collaboration between Smoky Mtn. Model Works and
Wright Trak Models on the M53. CAD work will start in 2 weeks with a target
release date of the HO car in March and the S car right behind it. The kit
will include the "plain" and Youngstown doors with every intent toward
making them operable (no guarantees). At least 3 paint schemes are planned.



Next is a new HO car now in production by Wright Trak. I delivered the
first 100 sets of the Southern 1951 Spencer-built wood rack body and
underframe castings (with brass strip weights) to Gary this afternoon. He
will be the source for this car, so contact him for availability. Target
ship date is by month's end. They will be available direct and thru his
dealer network. These cars will be offered with Roman and Block font
decals, spanning 1951 until retirement in the early 80s. The C&O car I'm
producing in S will likely be offered by Gary, so if you're a C&O nut, let
him know you're interested.



2009 is gonna be a BIG year for HO and S resin kits!



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Varney tank car

h8fan
 

I have an old Varney tank car lettered GATX 648, Carbide and Carbon
Chemicals. The car has a green body with white lettering. Accepting
the era the model was made, likely the late 50s, a lot of model makers
took liberties with lettering their models, does anyone know if this is
remotely correct for a car assigned to Carbide before 1957 when they
became Union Carbide and dropped "Carbon" from their name?

Thanks for any info

Jim B.


Heinz in Colorado

Richard Townsend
 

This is a question for those Heinz experts among us.? According to a?1951 AFE that year the Colorado & Southern installed a 260-foot spur in Windsor, Colorado to serve the H.J. Heinz Company.? My question is:?what type of facility did the spur serve?? I have seen photos and maps showing pickle salting vats at locations in nearby towns (Loveland and Fort Collins) for other companies but I have no idea whether this was what was being done for Heinz in Windsor.? I'm wondering if I get to run a pickle car.?:)?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Loose coal in boxcars

Paul Krueger <kruegerp@...>
 

That reminds me of a Lionel giraffe car!
http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=3376

The MILW also had stock cars with roof hatches. You can see some in
this photo:
http://www.nwlink.com/~kruegerp/milw/Kirkland/kirklandsheep.jpg

Paul
Seattle, WA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Pierce" <marcoperforar@...> wrote:

How's about a stock car with roof hatches for loading coal? See pages
190 and 191 at:

http://books.google.com/books?
hl=en&id=sY45AAAAMAAJ&dq=droege's+freight+terminals+%
26+trains&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=xhXmhy4PjV&sig=HpE5iLBNRceM
YS4BVXxp1iWj6Kc#PPA191,M1

Mark Pierce


Re: Loose coal in boxcars

Mark
 

Thank You, a real nice find.

Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, David Smith <dlsio4@gmail.com> wrote:
From: David Smith <dlsio4@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Loose coal in boxcars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 9:53 PM











Or at *http://tinyurl. com/859tgd *if you couldn't click the fragmented url



Dave Smith



On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Mark Pierce <marcoperforar@ yahoo.com> wrote:



How's about a stock car with roof hatches for loading coal? See pages
190 and 191 at:
http://books. google.com/ books?
hl=en&id=sY45AAAAMA AJ&dq=droege' s+freight+ terminals+ %
26+trains&printsec= frontcover& source=web& ots=xhXmhy4PjV& sig=HpE5iLBNRceM
YS4BVXxp1iWj6Kc# PPA191,M1
Mark Pierce


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Da Vinci Science Center

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Please consider the environment before printing this email.



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Re: Loose coal in boxcars

David Smith
 

Or at *http://tinyurl.com/859tgd *if you couldn't click the fragmented url

Dave Smith

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Mark Pierce <marcoperforar@yahoo.com> wrote:

How's about a stock car with roof hatches for loading coal? See pages
190 and 191 at:

http://books.google.com/books?
hl=en&id=sY45AAAAMAAJ&dq=droege's+freight+terminals+%
26+trains&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=xhXmhy4PjV&sig=HpE5iLBNRceM
YS4BVXxp1iWj6Kc#PPA191,M1

Mark Pierce


--
David L. Smith
Da Vinci Science Center
Allentown, PA
http://www.davinci-center.org

Please consider the environment before printing this email.

Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was
listening, everything must be said again. -- Andre Gide


Re: Loose coal in boxcars

Mark Pierce <marcoperforar@...>
 

How's about a stock car with roof hatches for loading coal? See pages
190 and 191 at:

http://books.google.com/books?
hl=en&id=sY45AAAAMAAJ&dq=droege's+freight+terminals+%
26+trains&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=xhXmhy4PjV&sig=HpE5iLBNRceM
YS4BVXxp1iWj6Kc#PPA191,M1

Mark Pierce


Re: IM rib sided boxcar kit

Tim O'Connor
 

Ribside cars, who makes several Milwaukee box car kits, also
sells decals. I bought a couple of sets at Naperville. These
sets are specifically for the ribbed cars. If you can find CDS
Dry Transfers, he did an excellent set as well.

Tim O'Connor

At 1/8/2009 02:40 PM Thursday, you wrote:
I checked back and found a lot on this car but didn't come across any
data on which decals to use. I guess one could order from Martin but are
there any others I could use, say MicroScale?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: IM rib sided boxcar kit

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Jon and friends,

I bought one of the IM rib-sides, assembled and factory lettered. The model is entirely boxcar red, including the roof and metal running board. I looked at the several articles in my files on these cars, and found only one overhead shot of an earlier class which had an unpainted galvanized roof and a painted (or treated) wood running board. Does anyone know how the roofs of post-war cars were painted, or not painted, as the case may have been?

Thanks much.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Jon Miller wrote:

I checked back and found a lot on this car but didn't come across any data on which decals to use. I guess one could order from Martin but are there any others I could use, say MicroScale?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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Re: IM rib sided boxcar kit

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I checked back and found a lot on this car but didn't come across any data on which decals to use. I guess one could order from Martin but are there any others I could use, say MicroScale?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Loose coal in boxcars

Ernie Valentine
 

Bulk coal in box cars also happened in the mid-west.  At 2006 Naperville there was a  presentation by James Dick covered the shipment of coal from the lakehead(Duluth-Superior) to points in upper mid-west. It appears quite a bit moved in box cars.
 
Ernie V
Red Wing, MN




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Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers

Andy Carlson
 

I have a few Intermountain AC&F 1958 cu ft assembled covered hoppers available for purchase.
SHPX 25577 gray NEW 3-48, (one)
UP 92064 Mineral red NEW 11-40 (one)
UP 92099 same (one)
UP 92031 same (one)
NKP 99773 black NEW 5-40 (one)
NKP 99796
NKP 99761
NKP 99750
D&RGW 18424 gray NEW 6-51
D&RGW 18401 same
C&O 418 Black NEW 6-37
Priced at $26.00 each plus postage.

I NOW ACCEPT PAYPAL PAYMENTS, plus personal checks and money orders. Please contact me off-list if interested <midcenturyAsbcglobal.net> I also have the full line of Tahoe Model Works trucks available. Ask
Thanks,
-Andy


Re: Tichy's D&H single-sheathed, cement-service box cars

Bob Gangwish <bobgang@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, thetrainman00 <thetrainman00@...> wrote:

I have had my eye on these kits but haven't purchased any yet. I
would ask what era would these cars be correct for in cement
service? I am modeling in October 68 and my railroad is an eastern
Pennsylvania coal hauler.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div from Treichlers to Mauch Chunk during
October 1968


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From the information I have seen, you would probably be safe in using
these cars in a '68 scene. Mainline Modeler in February 1985 has an
article on the cars by S. P. McDuff and he indicates that even after
their regular period of usage for cement, D & H put them to use for
transporting and storing locomotive traction sand - as of the 1985
article.
Bob Gangwish


Re: Tichy's D&H single-sheathed, cement-service box cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

The operative words here are "crushed slate loading". By 1955 the D&H
had a reasonably sizeable fleet of ACF 70 ton and other covered hoppers.
Thus the converted USRA single sheathed box cars may no longer have
been required to meet service needs. The D&H Washinton County Branch,
however, left a junction at Eagle Bridge, NY, with the D&H having
trackage rights in this period between Troy, NY and Eagle Bridge over
the B&M's Fitchburg Div. main line. This branch crossed the VT-NY State
Line three times before meeting the D&H Whitehall, NY to Rutland, VT
branch at Castleton, VT. The freight on this now abandoned line was
known for many years as the "Slate Picker" owing to the number of slate
quarries served. The "crushed slate" refered to was slate in fine
granular form used in the manufacture of architect shingles. Thus the
loaded cars could expect to be routed to such places as Bird & Sons,
located on the New Haven in East Walpole, Mass. and other manutacturers
like General Analine & Film (now GAF Corp). Chuck Yungkurth would know
this better than me but GAF may have been a D&H customer in the
Binghampton, NY area. I do not know whether or not slate granuales from
this source were also supplied to Domtar in Quebec, Canada but, given
the short distance, it would not surprise me if no local Canadian
sources were avaialable to that Canadian manufacturer of shingles.

Hope this is of some help, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "David Smith" <dlsio4@...> wrote:

In the RPI site, all the D&H SS boxcars listed, including the ones
converted to covered hoppers, were built in the early 30's.

Series 17001-17500 had 427 cars in it in my 1955 ORER. The RPI site
implies that this series included the cement cars, but the 1955 ORER
also lists series 16900-16929 with 20 cars as "box, hopper, steel
frame" and a note saying they had "enclosed hoppers with roof loading
hatches and hopper bottom discharge gates for crushed slate loading."
There's a picture of one of these cars in grey paint inthe 1940s on the
RPI site, which identifies it as "cement box car". The 17000 series
was extensively rebuilt. No info on RPI site about how many, if any
rebuilt cars retained cement loading features.

Dave Smith


Re: Tichy's D&H single-sheathed, cement-service box cars

David Smith
 

In the RPI site, all the D&H SS boxcars listed, including the ones converted
to covered hoppers, were built in the early 30's.

Series 17001-17500 had 427 cars in it in my 1955 ORER. The RPI site implies
that this series included the cement cars, but the 1955 ORER also lists
series 16900-16929 with 20 cars as "box, hopper, steel frame" and a note
saying they had "enclosed hoppers with roof loading hatches and hopper
bottom discharge gates for crushed slate loading." There's a picture of
one of these cars in grey paint inthe 1940s on the RPI site, which
identifies it as "cement box car". The 17000 series was extensively
rebuilt. No info on RPI site about how many, if any rebuilt cars retained
cement loading features.

Dave Smith

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:47 PM, thetrainman00 <thetrainman00@aol.com> wrote:

I have had my eye on these kits but haven't purchased any yet. I would
ask what era would these cars be correct for in cement service? I am
modeling in October 68 and my railroad is an eastern Pennsylvania coal
hauler.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div from Treichlers to Mauch Chunk during October 1968




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Da Vinci Science Center
Allentown, PA
http://www.davinci-center.org

Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Re: Tichy's D&H single-sheathed, cement-service box cars

thetrainman00 <thetrainman00@...>
 

I have had my eye on these kits but haven't purchased any yet. I would ask what era would these cars be correct for in cement service? I am modeling in October 68 and my railroad is an eastern Pennsylvania coal hauler.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div from Treichlers to Mauch Chunk during October 1968


Re: Old (Out-of-production) decal lines

Frank Pearsall
 

Gene:

Thinfilm Decals (PO Box 70323 Pasadena, CA 91117-7323) is still in production and a regular advertiser in the Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette magazine. Run by Fred and Judy Hill of the Original Whistle Stop hobby shop in Pasadena, Calif.

Herald King Decals (PO Box 1133 Bettendorf IA 52722-1133) came back on the scene in late 2007. As of a few minutes ago, the web site was working: www.heraldkingdecals.com.

Wow, Union Line! Really have to turn on the way-back machine for them. They were a line produced in the 1970s with a Washington, D.C. address. I remember talking to the guy in the early 1980s about buying the line, but he had an inflated sense of what it was worth. Have not a clue as to what happened to the artwork.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.
Narrow Trak 09 (Oct 9, 10, 2009)

On Jan 7, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Gene Green wrote:

I spent the last two evenings inventorying my decal/dry transfer
stash. I was about to place an order with Champ when it slowly began
to dawn on me that I might already have the decals I intended to order.

Among the many brand names I have were Union Line (dry transfers) and
Thinfilm (decals). Are these two lines still in production? I don't
think so. The question becomes - like Herald King - will the artwork
be found and will anyone ever produce them again.

Gene Green
sitting on a lifetime supply of M&StL decals.


Re: Old (Out-of-production) decal lines

Jack Burgess
 

Gene...

I believe that ThinFilm decals are now produced by San Juan Decals
(http://www.sanjuancarco.com/sanjuandecals/pricelist.html)

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

I spent the last two evenings inventorying my decal/dry transfer
stash. I was about to place an order with Champ when it slowly began
to dawn on me that I might already have the decals I intended to order.

Among the many brand names I have were Union Line (dry transfers) and
Thinfilm (decals). Are these two lines still in production? I don't
think so. The question becomes - like Herald King - will the artwork
be found and will anyone ever produce them again.

Gene Green
sitting on a lifetime supply of M&StL decals.


Old (Out-of-production) decal lines

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

I spent the last two evenings inventorying my decal/dry transfer
stash. I was about to place an order with Champ when it slowly began
to dawn on me that I might already have the decals I intended to order.

Among the many brand names I have were Union Line (dry transfers) and
Thinfilm (decals). Are these two lines still in production? I don't
think so. The question becomes - like Herald King - will the artwork
be found and will anyone ever produce them again.

Gene Green
sitting on a lifetime supply of M&StL decals.

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