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Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Nolan Hinshaw wrote:
Adobe reader 9 works fine with OSX 10.4.11; perform a software update of Tiger rather than an upgrade to Leopard
HELLO . . . OS 10.4 actually IS Tiger, and the latest version that exists for PowerPC Macs is 10.4.11, which is what I have. Reader 9 may WORK with this OS, but it cannot open MRH in this OS. One of these days no doubt I'll upgrade to Leopard, and won't miss MRH in the meantime.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 19, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Nolan Hinshaw wrote:

On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

I have had exactly the same experience as Tony.
Adobe reader 9 works fine with OSX 10.4.11; perform a software
update of Tiger rather than an upgrade to Leopard







And why should I have to do this? I don't need it for anything else
but MRH. I've already spent more time trying to access MRH than I
suspect it's worth.

"I think we are pole vaulting over mouse manure here"



Feels like wading ankle deep in horse**** to me.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I am running all the latest Adobe programs on the latest MAC OS but
it took some help from Adobe technical support to get them loaded.

Roger Hinman

On Jan 19, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,
but it won't work with Mac OS 10.4.10 (latest one I have). This
means
(at least for Mac users) that only the newest OS can run the reader
that handles MRH. That's what I mean by NOT reaching an awful lot of
the public, which I think is a funny way to do a magazine.
I have had exactly the same experience as Tony. And I'm running the
earlier Mac operating system because I have many files in earlier
applications which won't run on the latest OS. So, while MRH seems
like a good idea, I can't access it, and I've already spent a fair
amount of time (when I could have been writing text for a book or
working on a model) trying unsuccessfully to do so. Yeah, I know,
print is SO twentieth century, but an internet publication that some
of us can't access seems needlessly stupid.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Resin kit problems...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

To further explain Dennis' answer, I told him that for 20 years we replaced the old polyester
castings with the new
castings at our cost. And indeed, we did offer all hobby shops a free replacement to get the
polyester kits off their
shelves. But now that we're semi-retired we can no longer afford to continue the program. We still
get requests from
hobby shops for replacements....- Al Westerfield

Al, do you still offer all of those kits?

SGL


Re: Resin kit problems...

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

To further explain Dennis' answer, I told him that for 20 years we replaced the old polyester castings with the new castings at our cost. And indeed, we did offer all hobby shops a free replacement to get the polyester kits off their shelves. But now that we're semi-retired we can no longer afford to continue the program. We still get requests from hobby shops for replacements....- Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Williams
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin kit problems...


I have a few kits that are in the black(almost) resin that is VERY brittle. I contacted the company and they said could not do anything about the kits. I understand why. Correct me if I am wrong, They said that they offered all the shops who purchased the kits replacements and they sold(the shops) the bad ones any way. It does not upset me once it was explained to me. I paid good money for kits I can not build. Now I have built a few of these kits in the light grey resin and they are great!! I have no problem with the white resin. After a couple of hundred kits, They all need some kind of work. All I can say is to keep building!! Dennis

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [STMFC] Resin kit problems...
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:10 PM

I was discussing resin kits yesterday with a couple of fellow
STMFC'ers. Talk centred around the use of various resins for model
kits, and their relative stability. It was felt that the the grey
resin used in Westerfield kits was most stable. The white resin used
by some manufacturers was cited as being least stable, with instances
of a certain manufacturer' s cars being "humped" held out as examples.
These particular car kits have one-piece carbodies, either floor and
ends/sides, later kits from this manufacturer having roof and
sides/ends as one casting.

At home, I opened a box containing a white resin car kit from that
manufacturer (I won't specify the manufacturer at this time) that I
had purchased about seven years ago, to find that the one-piece
floor/end/sides assembly had sagged so much as to make the model
impossible to finish assembling. It had been stored in its original
corrugated cardboard (single-wall corrugated material) box, in the
original tissue paper wrapping. The box is undamaged, and the kit has
been stored at room temperature in a house that is is air-conditioned
in the summer.

I also have a flat cast resin kit for a CPR "Big Otis" steel-frame,
high-sided GS gondola car moulded in tan coloured resin, which I
purchased in 1991. I scribed board detail on the inside of the car
sides and ends. I have not assembled the car. Over time, the side
castings warped--again, stored in the original corruagted cardbord box
and tissue, heated and air-conditioned house, no damage to the box,
yadda, yadda...Some of this I was able to remedy by placing the
offending castings on a cookie sheet in the oven to soften them, then
placing the parts on a sheet of glass under weights. Sort of
remedy--the sides still have a slight curve.

As we STMFC'ers assemble many resin kits, this may be of some concern
to many of us. We spend a fair amount of time and effort to assemble
(or even more to modify) decorate, and weather these kits, and their
long-term dimensional stability of some resin material used in them,
for me, has been called into question.

I'd appreciate your comments.

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

I have had exactly the same experience as Tony.
Adobe reader 9 works fine with OSX 10.4.11; perform a software
update of Tiger rather than an upgrade to Leopard
--
"I think we are pole vaulting over mouse manure here"
Stolen from a private mailing list


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Not quite sure what you're grousing about, Tony. I mean, Adobe Reader
9 is free, easily available, and an improvement over its predecessor
versions.
I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,
but it won't work with Mac OS 10.4.10 (latest one I have).
It works fine on OSX 10.4.11, as that's what I'm running right now.
Acrobat Pro version 8.0.0 doesn't work, though.
--
"I think we are pole vaulting over mouse manure here"
Stolen from a private mailing list


Re: Resin kit problems...

Dennis Williams
 

I have a few kits that are in the black(almost) resin that is VERY brittle. I contacted the company and they said could not do anything about the kits. I understand why. Correct me if I am wrong, They said that they offered all the shops who purchased the kits replacements and they sold(the shops) the bad ones any way. It does not upset me once it was explained to me. I paid good money for kits I can not build. Now I have built a few of these kits in the light grey resin and they are great!!  I have no problem with the white resin.  After a couple of hundred kits,  They all need some kind of work.  All I can say is to keep building!!  Dennis

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [STMFC] Resin kit problems...
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:10 PM






I was discussing resin kits yesterday with a couple of fellow
STMFC'ers. Talk centred around the use of various resins for model
kits, and their relative stability. It was felt that the the grey
resin used in Westerfield kits was most stable. The white resin used
by some manufacturers was cited as being least stable, with instances
of a certain manufacturer' s cars being "humped" held out as examples.
These particular car kits have one-piece carbodies, either floor and
ends/sides, later kits from this manufacturer having roof and
sides/ends as one casting.

At home, I opened a box containing a white resin car kit from that
manufacturer (I won't specify the manufacturer at this time) that I
had purchased about seven years ago, to find that the one-piece
floor/end/sides assembly had sagged so much as to make the model
impossible to finish assembling. It had been stored in its original
corrugated cardboard (single-wall corrugated material) box, in the
original tissue paper wrapping. The box is undamaged, and the kit has
been stored at room temperature in a house that is is air-conditioned
in the summer.

I also have a flat cast resin kit for a CPR "Big Otis" steel-frame,
high-sided GS gondola car moulded in tan coloured resin, which I
purchased in 1991. I scribed board detail on the inside of the car
sides and ends. I have not assembled the car. Over time, the side
castings warped--again, stored in the original corruagted cardbord box
and tissue, heated and air-conditioned house, no damage to the box,
yadda, yadda...Some of this I was able to remedy by placing the
offending castings on a cookie sheet in the oven to soften them, then
placing the parts on a sheet of glass under weights. Sort of
remedy--the sides still have a slight curve.

As we STMFC'ers assemble many resin kits, this may be of some concern
to many of us. We spend a fair amount of time and effort to assemble
(or even more to modify) decorate, and weather these kits, and their
long-term dimensional stability of some resin material used in them,
for me, has been called into question.

I'd appreciate your comments.

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


















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Re: UP B-50-21 box car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Tom Madden wrote:

Tim mentioned welded ends on the B-50-21. The folio drawing in the
Metcalfe book references drawings for both welded and riveted ends.
Given that the first 900 were built at Omaha, the next 900 at Albina
and the last 100 at Omaha, could there have been both riveted and
welded ends used on the B-50-21's??






Tom, I have several photos showing B-50-21s with riveted ends:
184715, 185652, and 185679, all built at Albina; and a string of
brand new cars, 184595, 184596, et. seq., built at Omaha in 1938.
This suggests (though doesn't prove) that the cars with welded ends
may have been some or all of the 184000-184899 series built at Omaha
in 1937.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: SC&F Tank Cars/response from jon

Spen Kellogg <spenkellogg@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

I plan to build my car but I don't want to use the
Spencer Kellogg decals. Will future decal sets be
available separately?
Tim,

I take that as a personal affront. <VBG>

Spen Kellogg


Resin kit problems...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I was discussing resin kits yesterday with a couple of fellow
STMFC'ers. Talk centred around the use of various resins for model
kits, and their relative stability. It was felt that the the grey
resin used in Westerfield kits was most stable. The white resin used
by some manufacturers was cited as being least stable, with instances
of a certain manufacturer's cars being "humped" held out as examples.
These particular car kits have one-piece carbodies, either floor and
ends/sides, later kits from this manufacturer having roof and
sides/ends as one casting.

At home, I opened a box containing a white resin car kit from that
manufacturer (I won't specify the manufacturer at this time) that I
had purchased about seven years ago, to find that the one-piece
floor/end/sides assembly had sagged so much as to make the model
impossible to finish assembling. It had been stored in its original
corrugated cardboard (single-wall corrugated material) box, in the
original tissue paper wrapping. The box is undamaged, and the kit has
been stored at room temperature in a house that is is air-conditioned
in the summer.

I also have a flat cast resin kit for a CPR "Big Otis" steel-frame,
high-sided GS gondola car moulded in tan coloured resin, which I
purchased in 1991. I scribed board detail on the inside of the car
sides and ends. I have not assembled the car. Over time, the side
castings warped--again, stored in the original corruagted cardbord box
and tissue, heated and air-conditioned house, no damage to the box,
yadda, yadda...Some of this I was able to remedy by placing the
offending castings on a cookie sheet in the oven to soften them, then
placing the parts on a sheet of glass under weights. Sort of
remedy--the sides still have a slight curve.

As we STMFC'ers assemble many resin kits, this may be of some concern
to many of us. We spend a fair amount of time and effort to assemble
(or even more to modify) decorate, and weather these kits, and their
long-term dimensional stability of some resin material used in them,
for me, has been called into question.

I'd appreciate your comments.

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Mac's and PC's and oh wait, what about some ART reefers?

asychis@...
 

Hi guys,

I find the Model Railroad Hobbist downloads vs. problems with Mac systems
thread incredibly entertaining. Personally I have never had a problem with
Adobe products; loading or using them. But then again I have a clunky old
Gateway PC running Windows XP.

BTW, the Model Railroad Hobbyist website seems to be down as of this
evening. I wonder if it is because all the hits it is getting? A vast Mac attack?

An item of interest to some. The Amarillo Railroad Museum is just about out
of the run of assembled 1953 version ART steel ice reefers. Kit are still
plentiful (as they always are in these projects). Five numbers on the RTR's,
kits are unnumbered but will have decals for numbers and reweigh dates.
We've redone our website recently and it is more up to date and useful.
_www.amarillorailmuseum.com_ (http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com)

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Re: UP B-50-21 box car

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

The new RMC with Ted's UP boxcar article arrived right after I posted
last Saturday. Ted describes the welded Ryan underframe on the B-50-
21 in considerable detail, and the only change he mentions as he goes
through the various classes is the addition of a second stringer on
either side of the center sill effective with the B-50-24. The welded
underframe with two stringers on each side of the center sill is the
one Ted offers as a separate kit, and with his Speedwitch B-50-38/39
box car kits. The four-stringer underframes were built by Mt. Vernon
Car Co., and there are drawings and top & bottom photos in the 1940
CBC, pp 392-393. There's also a photo of that underframe on page 19
of the Metcalfe book.

Tim mentioned welded ends on the B-50-21. The folio drawing in the
Metcalfe book references drawings for both welded and riveted ends.
Given that the first 900 were built at Omaha, the next 900 at Albina
and the last 100 at Omaha, could there have been both riveted and
welded ends used on the B-50-21's??

I'll see if the Colorado Museum Library has the April 1938 RAILWAY
MECHANICAL ENGINEER when I go in on Wednesday. If they do, I'll
compare photos of the Ryan and Mt. Vernon underframes. You'd think
the shapes of the tops of the crossties should differ because of the
number and location of stringers, but it would certainly be useful if
Ted's welded underframe could be used for the B-50-21. After all,
there were 1900 of them.

Tom Madden


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Don Burn
 

Yes I for one stick with the older versions of Acrobat. I do work in the anti-virus / anti-malware area and the latest Acrobat and Flash in general are considered to be the biggest atack vector for computers right now in the protection industry. The comments my colleagues make are, if you want to secure your computers step 1, roll back to an old acrobat reader and eliminate flash.

Don Burn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist


Tim O'Connor wrote:
I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps Acrobat
was not the best choice . . .
If they had used, say, Acrobat 5.0, I bet they would not be
hearing what they're hearing. If you look at Signature Press's website,
you will see lots of simplified and even clunky graphics--we have
deliberately avoided flashy "features" and enhancements like frames
just so that even those with older browsers can successfully view the
pages. Obviously the MRH approach is the diametric opposite.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps Acrobat was not the best choice . . .
If they had used, say, Acrobat 5.0, I bet they would not be hearing what they're hearing. If you look at Signature Press's website, you will see lots of simplified and even clunky graphics--we have deliberately avoided flashy "features" and enhancements like frames just so that even those with older browsers can successfully view the pages. Obviously the MRH approach is the diametric opposite.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Group:



Like Tony and Richard I tried to download no luck so I've scratched it off
my list of things to do. If they want me to look at it they had better make
it easy for me not them



Paul C. Koehler



_____

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:00 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist



Guys

I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps
Acrobat was not the best choice (HTML would have worked too)
but perhaps they will respond and correct these problems as
they are made aware of them. Acrobat offers a "self contained"
format unlike HTML which is a pastiche of objects and somewhat
problematic when it comes to portability. Both have advantages
and disadvantages.

Tim O'Connor

At 1/19/2009 12:04 PM Monday, you wrote:
On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,
but it won't work with Mac OS 10.4.10 (latest one I have). This means
(at least for Mac users) that only the newest OS can run the reader
that handles MRH. That's what I mean by NOT reaching an awful lot of
the public, which I think is a funny way to do a magazine.
I have had exactly the same experience as Tony. And I'm running the
earlier Mac operating system because I have many files in earlier
applications which won't run on the latest OS. So, while MRH seems
like a good idea, I can't access it, and I've already spent a fair
amount of time (when I could have been writing text for a book or
working on a model) trying unsuccessfully to do so. Yeah, I know,
print is SO twentieth century, but an internet publication that some
of us can't access seems needlessly stupid.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: SC&F Tank Cars/response from jon

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon

I plan to build my car but I don't want to use the
Spencer Kellogg decals. Will future decal sets be
available separately?

Tim O'Connor

P.S. The castings are outstanding. Great work!

At 1/19/2009 08:15 AM Monday, you wrote:

Jim Hayes Wrote" "The small rods on the under boards are locaters" Jim and all: Initially yes, but disregard. You don't really need these. ONce the "origami" has taken place with steps you can just glue them into place. I believe I over engineered the rod/pin/hole/placement. Jim you are fine in getting rid of the parts. It's much easier. As for the decals, initially the car is released with Spencer Kellog, other road names to follow. As for the web site: Yes, it's coming along. I am a pattern maker, not a web site designer, big hurdle for me to get over. Working on this. John Miller; disregard old web site and go with what the group is telling you. The 2 cars that are available are the 2 compartment car (GATX), and the 6 course Radial Car. $49.00 each, plus $7.50 shipping handling up to 3 kits. If you need lots of tanks, I offer a bakers dozen, buy 12 get 13. Of course it would have been much easier if you would have just shown up at Cocoa! Weather was great and great time was had by all. We expect you next year though, it will be Mike's 10th anniversary bash. I hear he is renting a Gulfstream III to fly around the country and pick people up. He got a bailout from the Gov't ! Thanks for the kind words. jonsc&f


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Tim O'Connor
 

Guys

I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps
Acrobat was not the best choice (HTML would have worked too)
but perhaps they will respond and correct these problems as
they are made aware of them. Acrobat offers a "self contained"
format unlike HTML which is a pastiche of objects and somewhat
problematic when it comes to portability. Both have advantages
and disadvantages.

Tim O'Connor

At 1/19/2009 12:04 PM Monday, you wrote:
On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,
but it won't work with Mac OS 10.4.10 (latest one I have). This means
(at least for Mac users) that only the newest OS can run the reader
that handles MRH. That's what I mean by NOT reaching an awful lot of
the public, which I think is a funny way to do a magazine.
I have had exactly the same experience as Tony. And I'm running the
earlier Mac operating system because I have many files in earlier
applications which won't run on the latest OS. So, while MRH seems
like a good idea, I can't access it, and I've already spent a fair
amount of time (when I could have been writing text for a book or
working on a model) trying unsuccessfully to do so. Yeah, I know,
print is SO twentieth century, but an internet publication that some
of us can't access seems needlessly stupid.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Model Rail Hobbyist

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,
but it won't work with Mac OS 10.4.10 (latest one I have). This means
(at least for Mac users) that only the newest OS can run the reader
that handles MRH. That's what I mean by NOT reaching an awful lot of
the public, which I think is a funny way to do a magazine.






I have had exactly the same experience as Tony. And I'm running the
earlier Mac operating system because I have many files in earlier
applications which won't run on the latest OS. So, while MRH seems
like a good idea, I can't access it, and I've already spent a fair
amount of time (when I could have been writing text for a book or
working on a model) trying unsuccessfully to do so. Yeah, I know,
print is SO twentieth century, but an internet publication that some
of us can't access seems needlessly stupid.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: PSCC hopper article in Model Railroad Hobbyist

Manfred Lorenz
 

Marty,

Your car looks quite impressive. I like especially the handholds and
wheathering. Fist I thought it was a Kadee car.

I understand you made some choices about what to change to keep the
amount of time reasonable for a whole fleet. What I wonder is that you
didn't improve the door locks. What would you suggest as a replacement?

Perhaps it is due to the dies that this detail is not done more correct
by the manufacturers. As executed it won't hold anything.

Manfred

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