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Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian and Chuck

NS 1500-1726 were reconditioned by USRE from XM5 series
27000-27249 in 1964. I have a scan of one of these cars
are they are definitely not PS-1's and they were built
in 1947, not 1957. It sounds like Bowser has been doing
some "imagineering" at hobbyists' expense. These cars
could have been produced very accurately using other
commercially available kits (e.g. Branchline).

Tim O'Connor

At 11/29/2008 11:42 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: <RUTLANDRS@aol.com>
To: <STMFC@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car

They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with
the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have
8 foot
door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are,
1599, 1600, 1624, 1631, 1645, 1676, 1679 and 1700.


F&C 1932 ARA boxcars for sale

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I have two one-piece body F&C 1932 ARA cars for sale. One is a kit for a MEC
car and the other is Clinchfield. I have started these kits by cleaning up
the flash on the bodies, and I started to install grabs on the bodies. The
cars are now no longer needed. I am asking $10 each for them. Shipping would
be $5.00 for USPS Priority Mail. Contact me OFF LIST if interested.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Bowser-Stewart Model Group

hunter48820
 

Hi All,
Please excuse the cross post.

I have created a Bowser-Stewart Models Yahoo Group for those that may
be interested.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bowser-Stewart_Models/

Thanks and best,
Andy Keeney


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Charles Hladik
 

Brian,
I posted this for a neighboring NMRA Division. I was told that the car
info was provided by the NS Historical Society. So the naswer is I don't know
but will forward the question.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 11/30/2008 12:17:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brian@bluemoon.net writes:




Following up on my earlier email. In July 1957 the following boxcars were
listed in the NS fleet.
AAR Series To Qty % FLEET Model I.Length I. Height Doors (WxH) Notes
XM 25000 25499 481 48.68% 0.00 40 6 9 3 6 x 8 8 1932 ARA
XM 25500 25752 238 24.09% 0.00 40 6 10 6 x 9 4 1937 AAR
XM 25800 1 0.10% 0.00 50 10 9 5 x 6 10
XM 26000 26024 24 2.43% 0.00 40 6 10 4.125 12 6 x 9 8 double door
XM 27000 27249 244 24.70% 0.00 40 6 10 6 6 x 9 10 1944 AAR

These same series are in the 1959 edition with an additional 28000 series
that at first glance appears to be a renumbering of the 25500 series
So I am even more confused regarding the custom run cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <_brian@net.bluemoon.bri_
(mailto:brian@net.bluemoon.net) >
To: <_STMFC@Yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@Yahoogroups.com) >
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car

Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY



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Re: Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale

Andy Carlson
 

5-40
-Andy

--- On Sat, 11/29/08, cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 7:27 PM
Andy,

What is the build date on the NKP car?

Paul Lyons


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 7:18 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers
for sale








Hi,
I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway
Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars
are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular
side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered
paint/lettering schemes

# 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers
# 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing,
min red
# 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4
#'s
# 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left

These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am
offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply.
If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at
<midcentury@sbcglobal.net> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA







Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Following up on my earlier email. In July 1957 the following boxcars were
listed in the NS fleet.
AAR Series To Qty % FLEET Model I.Length I. Height Doors (WxH) Notes
XM 25000 25499 481 48.68% 0.00 40 6 9 3 6 x 8 8 1932 ARA
XM 25500 25752 238 24.09% 0.00 40 6 10 6 x 9 4 1937 AAR
XM 25800 1 0.10% 0.00 50 10 9 5 x 6 10
XM 26000 26024 24 2.43% 0.00 40 6 10 4.125 12 6 x 9 8 double door
XM 27000 27249 244 24.70% 0.00 40 6 10 6 6 x 9 10 1944 AAR

These same series are in the 1959 edition with an additional 28000 series
that at first glance appears to be a renumbering of the 25500 series
So I am even more confused regarding the custom run cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@net.bluemoon.net>
To: <STMFC@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car


Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: <RUTLANDRS@aol.com>
To: <STMFC@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car


They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with
the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have
8 foot
door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are,
1599, 1600, 1624, 1631, 1645, 1676, 1679 and 1700.


Re: Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale

Paul Lyons
 

Andy,

What is the build date on the NKP car?

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 7:18 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale








Hi,
I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered paint/lettering schemes

# 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers
# 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing, min red
# 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4 #'s
# 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left

These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply. If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale

Andy Carlson
 

Hi,
I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered paint/lettering schemes

# 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers
# 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing, min red
# 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4 #'s
# 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left

These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply. If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Looking for a photo or two - CRDX

Schuyler Larrabee
 

A good friend of mine grew up in Ravenna Ohio, practically on the ballast shoulder of the ERIE's
westbound main. Quite close to there, in Ravenna, I believe, there was a mill which was called "Red
Comb Pioneer Feeds."

He says that they had a small fleet of two-bay covered hoppers "like the Roundhouse model, with
closed sides." 2000 Cu Ft. They carried CRDX reporting marks. I believe my friend said that the
logo was a rooster with a bright red comb.

I'd like to find a photo, VERY preferably in color (even if faded) with the intent of making decals
to do this car. I'd accept a black and white photo if nothing else comes up, and a B&W photo might
be useful for layout if it's more straight-on to the side of the car. But a color shot would be
great so I can get some idea of what was colored what color.

I don't know the range of these cars, nor what direction they would have traveled, so they could
have shown up anywhere.

Do any of you have something that would help on this?

TIA

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars

al_brown03
 

We were figuring out whether latex must be shipped in lined tank
cars ... I don't know why I tried to answer based on chemistry when
Kaminski's tank car book was handy. It says (p 252) latex may be
shipped in an ICC 103-W or 203-W car, i.e. lining isn't needed.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote:

Guyz,
 
         Now this discussion is way over my head.  The only thing I
know is advertised as 'living latex' is in the ladies section of the
store. Now, where did the tank car info get lost?
It sounded like a very interesting car for industry on a model RR.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:45 PM






I should preface this by saying I'm a small-molecule organic
chemist
not a polymer chemist. But a colleague of mine *is* a polymer
chemist
& I'll check this w/him. But, he's a Dean & subject to capture by
bureaucrats, so no promises on timing.

That said: the metal inside of an un-lined tank car is a reducing
environment, chemically; which can cause polymerization.
(Polymerization can be caused by reducing agents, oxidizing agents,
acids, free radicals: almost anything reactive.) I'm not sure, but
I
suspect the word "latex" may be used two different ways: to mean a
latex polymer, like latex gloves, or to mean a latex "living"
polymer
like what Mr. Valoczy describes. But at a quick guess, if one lined
a
tank car with a latex polymer, I don't think it would react with
a "living" latex, whereas a metal tank might.

FWIW, HTH --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, destron@ wrote:



And it's hard to think of anything made of latex that would be
corrosive and dangerous to put into an unlined tank car. But
then,
you're the materials guy, and you have a better chance of knowing
than I do . . .

If it'd make a difference.. . the latices in question would
probably
be things like unfinished (i.e., uncoagulated) styrene-butadiene
or
other synthetic rubbers. The liquid output after the ingredients
(styrene and butadiene for SB rubber, aka GR-S or Buna-S) are co-
polymerized (using other chemicals as catalysts, emulsifiers and
retardants) is called a latex; the latex is then fed into another
tank, where it's mixed with brine and sulphuric acid to make it
coagulate into little flakes of solidified rubber that's then
baled
and shipped off in 40lb bales (likely the contents of the UP
boxcar
I saw in another photo of the Polymer Corp. plant).

Now, whether this latex described above would be corrosive or
otherwise dangerous to put into an unlined tank car, I don't
know... perhaps someone who understands polymer chemistry a bit
more could answer that.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC














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S scale SR waffle boxes all shipped

Jim King
 

To those who ordered the new S scale Southern Ry. 1973 50' waffle side
boxcar kit, I thank you. All shipments have been made with the last 3 going
out yesterday. For your convenience, the 8-page instruction "booklet" has
been uploaded to the waffle web page in .pdf format.



Next kits will be the SR 1951 pulpwood rack in Roman and Block font. Get
your deposits to me as soon as you can in order to ensure prompt delivery.



All kits decals are available separately at $6 each postpaid in the "Lower
48". There will be a separate web page created soon listing decals and
detail parts.



The GE 70-tonner will follow the wood rack in January or February.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Roland Levin
 

Hi



I have found black straws here in Sweden. The straight part is about 45
scale feet. Takes away all the problems with painting. You just have to
airbrush them with a dull coat. I would be surprised if you couldn’t find
them in US as well. Try to find them in shops which sell Halloween party
items.





Roland Levin

Vällingby, Sweden

hem.bredband.net/drgw







Från: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] För Gene Green
Skickat: den 29 november 2008 16:35
Till: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Ämne: [STMFC] Re: Pipe loads on the cheap



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Dennis
Williams <pennsy6200@...> wrote:
<snip> If you have a blaster, etch them B4 painting.
Etching is a very good idea. I made a pipe load with plastic straws
and painted the load with Floquil (old formula) with no etching.
Eventually the paint started flaking off even though the load wasn't
being handled.

Gene Green





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@...> wrote:
<snip> If  you have a blaster, etch them B4 painting.
Etching is a very good idea. I made a pipe load with plastic straws
and painted the load with Floquil (old formula) with no etching.
Eventually the paint started flaking off even though the load wasn't
being handled.

Gene Green


Norfolk Southern box car

Charles Hladik
 

List,
The Carolina Piedmont Division of the Mid-Eastern Region of the NMRA has
acquired some box cars as a fund raiser.
They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with
the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have 8 foot
door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are,
1599, 1600, 1624, 1631, 1645, 1676, 1679 and 1700.
Cost is $15.00 per car and s/h is $5.00 for the first car. $2.50 more
for up to 3 more cars. If you want all 8 numbers, shipping total will be $10.00.
Make checks payable to:
CPD-NMRA.
Send To:
John A. Janosko
264 White Cedar Lane
Youngsville, N.C. 27596
_johnajan@embarqmail.com_ (mailto:johnajan@embarqmail.com)
919-656-6897

Thanks,
Chuck Hladik
Rutland railroad
Virginia Division

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Re: Rivets

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 11/28/2008 4:05:24 PM Central Standard Time,
ch00ch00@comcast.net writes:

During the early 1900's, the PRR used a rivet that went into a 13/16"
hole. Does anyone know what size the Rivet was, or is?

Ed,

Are you certain the hole was 13/16" diameter or was the rivet itself that
dimension? Adopted as standard in 1917 The MCB chart shows 13/16" rivets with
a button head 1 27/64" diameter.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Brown Deer, WI


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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Guyz,
 
         Now this discussion is way over my head.  The only thing I know is advertised as 'living latex' is in the ladies section of the store. Now, where did the tank car info get lost?
It sounded like a very interesting car for industry on a model RR.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu> wrote:

From: al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:45 PM






I should preface this by saying I'm a small-molecule organic chemist
not a polymer chemist. But a colleague of mine *is* a polymer chemist
& I'll check this w/him. But, he's a Dean & subject to capture by
bureaucrats, so no promises on timing.

That said: the metal inside of an un-lined tank car is a reducing
environment, chemically; which can cause polymerization.
(Polymerization can be caused by reducing agents, oxidizing agents,
acids, free radicals: almost anything reactive.) I'm not sure, but I
suspect the word "latex" may be used two different ways: to mean a
latex polymer, like latex gloves, or to mean a latex "living" polymer
like what Mr. Valoczy describes. But at a quick guess, if one lined a
tank car with a latex polymer, I don't think it would react with
a "living" latex, whereas a metal tank might.

FWIW, HTH --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, destron@... wrote:



And it's hard to think of anything made of latex that would be
corrosive and dangerous to put into an unlined tank car. But then,
you're the materials guy, and you have a better chance of knowing
than I do . . .

If it'd make a difference.. . the latices in question would probably
be things like unfinished (i.e., uncoagulated) styrene-butadiene or
other synthetic rubbers. The liquid output after the ingredients
(styrene and butadiene for SB rubber, aka GR-S or Buna-S) are co-
polymerized (using other chemicals as catalysts, emulsifiers and
retardants) is called a latex; the latex is then fed into another
tank, where it's mixed with brine and sulphuric acid to make it
coagulate into little flakes of solidified rubber that's then baled
and shipped off in 40lb bales (likely the contents of the UP boxcar
I saw in another photo of the Polymer Corp. plant).

Now, whether this latex described above would be corrosive or
otherwise dangerous to put into an unlined tank car, I don't
know... perhaps someone who understands polymer chemistry a bit
more could answer that.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC














[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars

al_brown03
 

I should preface this by saying I'm a small-molecule organic chemist
not a polymer chemist. But a colleague of mine *is* a polymer chemist
& I'll check this w/him. But, he's a Dean & subject to capture by
bureaucrats, so no promises on timing.

That said: the metal inside of an un-lined tank car is a reducing
environment, chemically; which can cause polymerization.
(Polymerization can be caused by reducing agents, oxidizing agents,
acids, free radicals: almost anything reactive.) I'm not sure, but I
suspect the word "latex" may be used two different ways: to mean a
latex polymer, like latex gloves, or to mean a latex "living" polymer
like what Mr. Valoczy describes. But at a quick guess, if one lined a
tank car with a latex polymer, I don't think it would react with
a "living" latex, whereas a metal tank might.

FWIW, HTH --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@... wrote:



And it's hard to think of anything made of latex that would be
corrosive and dangerous to put into an unlined tank car. But then,
you're the materials guy, and you have a better chance of knowing
than I do . . .

If it'd make a difference... the latices in question would probably
be things like unfinished (i.e., uncoagulated) styrene-butadiene or
other synthetic rubbers. The liquid output after the ingredients
(styrene and butadiene for SB rubber, aka GR-S or Buna-S) are co-
polymerized (using other chemicals as catalysts, emulsifiers and
retardants) is called a latex; the latex is then fed into another
tank, where it's mixed with brine and sulphuric acid to make it
coagulate into little flakes of solidified rubber that's then baled
and shipped off in 40lb bales (likely the contents of the UP boxcar
I saw in another photo of the Polymer Corp. plant).

Now, whether this latex described above would be corrosive or
otherwise dangerous to put into an unlined tank car, I don't
know... perhaps someone who understands polymer chemistry a bit
more could answer that.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


S scale SR 1951 wood rack web link

Jim King
 

A few of you contacted me re: Yahoo stripping the photo attachments from a
recent product announcement. The web page has since been created .. there
are a couple of code typos that need to be fixed but the primary reason for
sending this email is to allow y'all to view the proto pix and pricing info.



Click on either image to look at an enlarged version. Credit Larry Goolsby
for the "block font" photo and the SRHA, Inc.'s Archives for the "roman
font" view taken at Spencer Shops prior to car being released for revenue
service.



Due to problems encountered with waffle box verbal/email reservations not
being honored, I am requiring a non-refundable 50% deposit for all wood rack
orders. Since this is a done-deal kit, available by early January '09, you
won't lose your deposit or be delayed in getting your kit(s) as has
sometimes occurred with other manufacturers over the years.



Here is the web page link:
http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html



Contact me off list if you have questions about payment options, shipping
outside the "48", etc. Folks sending in deposits will be given priority
service when production starts.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Rivets

Ed Schleyer
 

Thank you. I would appreciate that, 1'm doing a 2 dimensional CAD
drawing and I would like the rendering to be accurate.
Ed Schleyer
ch00ch00@comcast.net - - those are zero's - not Oh's



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

There was an article on rivets in Mainline Modeler, probably the
April 1997
one by Gene Green. If you don't have that issue, I'll look it up
for you.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


During the early 1900's, the PRR used a rivet that went into a
13/16"
hole. Does anyone know what size the Rivet was, or is?
Of all the drawings of the "sills" that I have had a chance to
see,
there is NO reference to size of rivet. By 1950's standards, the
rivet
would be 1/32" smaller than the hole. Doesn't seem that there
would be
that many nonstandard rivets made.
Ed Schleyer


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