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Re: Norfolk Southern box car
Brian and Chuck
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NS 1500-1726 were reconditioned by USRE from XM5 series 27000-27249 in 1964. I have a scan of one of these cars are they are definitely not PS-1's and they were built in 1947, not 1957. It sounds like Bowser has been doing some "imagineering" at hobbyists' expense. These cars could have been produced very accurately using other commercially available kits (e.g. Branchline). Tim O'Connor
At 11/29/2008 11:42 PM Saturday, you wrote:
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F&C 1932 ARA boxcars for sale
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
I have two one-piece body F&C 1932 ARA cars for sale. One is a kit for a MEC
car and the other is Clinchfield. I have started these kits by cleaning up the flash on the bodies, and I started to install grabs on the bodies. The cars are now no longer needed. I am asking $10 each for them. Shipping would be $5.00 for USPS Priority Mail. Contact me OFF LIST if interested. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Bowser-Stewart Model Group
hunter48820
Hi All,
Please excuse the cross post. I have created a Bowser-Stewart Models Yahoo Group for those that may be interested. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bowser-Stewart_Models/ Thanks and best, Andy Keeney
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Re: Norfolk Southern box car
Charles Hladik
Brian,
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I posted this for a neighboring NMRA Division. I was told that the car info was provided by the NS Historical Society. So the naswer is I don't know but will forward the question. Chuck Hladik
In a message dated 11/30/2008 12:17:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brian@bluemoon.net writes: Following up on my earlier email. In July 1957 the following boxcars were listed in the NS fleet. AAR Series To Qty % FLEET Model I.Length I. Height Doors (WxH) Notes XM 25000 25499 481 48.68% 0.00 40 6 9 3 6 x 8 8 1932 ARA XM 25500 25752 238 24.09% 0.00 40 6 10 6 x 9 4 1937 AAR XM 25800 1 0.10% 0.00 50 10 9 5 x 6 10 XM 26000 26024 24 2.43% 0.00 40 6 10 4.125 12 6 x 9 8 double door XM 27000 27249 244 24.70% 0.00 40 6 10 6 6 x 9 10 1944 AAR These same series are in the 1959 edition with an additional 28000 series that at first glance appears to be a renumbering of the 25500 series So I am even more confused regarding the custom run cars. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian J Carlson" <_brian@net.bluemoon.bri_ (mailto:brian@net.bluemoon.net) > To: <_STMFC@Yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@Yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car Chuck: **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&;icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)
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Re: Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale
Andy Carlson
5-40
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--- On Sat, 11/29/08, cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com> wrote:
From: cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com>
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Re: Norfolk Southern box car
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Following up on my earlier email. In July 1957 the following boxcars were
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listed in the NS fleet. AAR Series To Qty % FLEET Model I.Length I. Height Doors (WxH) Notes XM 25000 25499 481 48.68% 0.00 40 6 9 3 6 x 8 8 1932 ARA XM 25500 25752 238 24.09% 0.00 40 6 10 6 x 9 4 1937 AAR XM 25800 1 0.10% 0.00 50 10 9 5 x 6 10 XM 26000 26024 24 2.43% 0.00 40 6 10 4.125 12 6 x 9 8 double door XM 27000 27249 244 24.70% 0.00 40 6 10 6 6 x 9 10 1944 AAR These same series are in the 1959 edition with an additional 28000 series that at first glance appears to be a renumbering of the 25500 series So I am even more confused regarding the custom run cars. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@net.bluemoon.net> To: <STMFC@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car Chuck:
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Re: Norfolk Southern box car
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Chuck:
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I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars? Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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From: <RUTLANDRS@aol.com> To: <STMFC@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have8 foot door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are,
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Re: Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale
Paul Lyons
Andy,
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What is the build date on the NKP car? Paul Lyons
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From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 7:18 pm Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale Hi, I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered paint/lettering schemes # 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers # 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing, min red # 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4 #'s # 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply. If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale
Andy Carlson
Hi,
I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered paint/lettering schemes # 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers # 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing, min red # 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4 #'s # 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply. If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Looking for a photo or two - CRDX
Schuyler Larrabee
A good friend of mine grew up in Ravenna Ohio, practically on the ballast shoulder of the ERIE's
westbound main. Quite close to there, in Ravenna, I believe, there was a mill which was called "Red Comb Pioneer Feeds." He says that they had a small fleet of two-bay covered hoppers "like the Roundhouse model, with closed sides." 2000 Cu Ft. They carried CRDX reporting marks. I believe my friend said that the logo was a rooster with a bright red comb. I'd like to find a photo, VERY preferably in color (even if faded) with the intent of making decals to do this car. I'd accept a black and white photo if nothing else comes up, and a B&W photo might be useful for layout if it's more straight-on to the side of the car. But a color shot would be great so I can get some idea of what was colored what color. I don't know the range of these cars, nor what direction they would have traveled, so they could have shown up anywhere. Do any of you have something that would help on this? TIA SGL La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
al_brown03
We were figuring out whether latex must be shipped in lined tank
cars ... I don't know why I tried to answer based on chemistry when Kaminski's tank car book was handy. It says (p 252) latex may be shipped in an ICC 103-W or 203-W car, i.e. lining isn't needed. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote: know is advertised as 'living latex' is in the ladies section of the store. Now, where did the tank car info get lost? It sounded like a very interesting car for industry on a model RR.chemist not a polymer chemist. But a colleague of mine *is* a polymerchemist & I'll check this w/him. But, he's a Dean & subject to capture byI suspect the word "latex" may be used two different ways: to mean apolymer like what Mr. Valoczy describes. But at a quick guess, if one lineda tank car with a latex polymer, I don't think it would react withthen, probablyyou're the materials guy, and you have a better chance of knowing orbe things like unfinished (i.e., uncoagulated) styrene-butadiene baledother synthetic rubbers. The liquid output after the ingredients boxcarand shipped off in 40lb bales (likely the contents of the UP I saw in another photo of the Polymer Corp. plant).
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S scale SR waffle boxes all shipped
Jim King
To those who ordered the new S scale Southern Ry. 1973 50' waffle side
boxcar kit, I thank you. All shipments have been made with the last 3 going out yesterday. For your convenience, the 8-page instruction "booklet" has been uploaded to the waffle web page in .pdf format. Next kits will be the SR 1951 pulpwood rack in Roman and Block font. Get your deposits to me as soon as you can in order to ensure prompt delivery. All kits decals are available separately at $6 each postpaid in the "Lower 48". There will be a separate web page created soon listing decals and detail parts. The GE 70-tonner will follow the wood rack in January or February. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: Pipe loads on the cheap
Roland Levin
Hi
I have found black straws here in Sweden. The straight part is about 45 scale feet. Takes away all the problems with painting. You just have to airbrush them with a dull coat. I would be surprised if you couldn’t find them in US as well. Try to find them in shops which sell Halloween party items. Roland Levin Vällingby, Sweden hem.bredband.net/drgw Från: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] För Gene Green Skickat: den 29 november 2008 16:35 Till: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Ämne: [STMFC] Re: Pipe loads on the cheap --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@...> wrote: <snip> If you have a blaster, etch them B4 painting.Etching is a very good idea. I made a pipe load with plastic straws and painted the load with Floquil (old formula) with no etching. Eventually the paint started flaking off even though the load wasn't being handled. Gene Green [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Pipe loads on the cheap
Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@...> wrote:
<snip> If you have a blaster, etch them B4 painting.Etching is a very good idea. I made a pipe load with plastic straws and painted the load with Floquil (old formula) with no etching. Eventually the paint started flaking off even though the load wasn't being handled. Gene Green
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Norfolk Southern box car
Charles Hladik
List,
The Carolina Piedmont Division of the Mid-Eastern Region of the NMRA has acquired some box cars as a fund raiser. They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have 8 foot door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are, 1599, 1600, 1624, 1631, 1645, 1676, 1679 and 1700. Cost is $15.00 per car and s/h is $5.00 for the first car. $2.50 more for up to 3 more cars. If you want all 8 numbers, shipping total will be $10.00. Make checks payable to: CPD-NMRA. Send To: John A. Janosko 264 White Cedar Lane Youngsville, N.C. 27596 _johnajan@embarqmail.com_ (mailto:johnajan@embarqmail.com) 919-656-6897 Thanks, Chuck Hladik Rutland railroad Virginia Division **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&;icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)
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Re: Rivets
Guy Wilber
In a message dated 11/28/2008 4:05:24 PM Central Standard Time,
ch00ch00@comcast.net writes: During the early 1900's, the PRR used a rivet that went into a 13/16" hole. Does anyone know what size the Rivet was, or is? Ed, Are you certain the hole was 13/16" diameter or was the rivet itself that dimension? Adopted as standard in 1917 The MCB chart shows 13/16" rivets with a button head 1 27/64" diameter. Regards, Guy Wilber Brown Deer, WI **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your email, your favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&;icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000006)
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Guyz,
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Now this discussion is way over my head. The only thing I know is advertised as 'living latex' is in the ladies section of the store. Now, where did the tank car info get lost? It sounded like a very interesting car for industry on a model RR. Fred Freitas
--- On Fri, 11/28/08, al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu> wrote:
From: al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:45 PM I should preface this by saying I'm a small-molecule organic chemist not a polymer chemist. But a colleague of mine *is* a polymer chemist & I'll check this w/him. But, he's a Dean & subject to capture by bureaucrats, so no promises on timing. That said: the metal inside of an un-lined tank car is a reducing environment, chemically; which can cause polymerization. (Polymerization can be caused by reducing agents, oxidizing agents, acids, free radicals: almost anything reactive.) I'm not sure, but I suspect the word "latex" may be used two different ways: to mean a latex polymer, like latex gloves, or to mean a latex "living" polymer like what Mr. Valoczy describes. But at a quick guess, if one lined a tank car with a latex polymer, I don't think it would react with a "living" latex, whereas a metal tank might. FWIW, HTH -- -- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, destron@... wrote: And it's hard to think of anything made of latex that would becorrosive and dangerous to put into an unlined tank car. But then, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
al_brown03
I should preface this by saying I'm a small-molecule organic chemist
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not a polymer chemist. But a colleague of mine *is* a polymer chemist & I'll check this w/him. But, he's a Dean & subject to capture by bureaucrats, so no promises on timing. That said: the metal inside of an un-lined tank car is a reducing environment, chemically; which can cause polymerization. (Polymerization can be caused by reducing agents, oxidizing agents, acids, free radicals: almost anything reactive.) I'm not sure, but I suspect the word "latex" may be used two different ways: to mean a latex polymer, like latex gloves, or to mean a latex "living" polymer like what Mr. Valoczy describes. But at a quick guess, if one lined a tank car with a latex polymer, I don't think it would react with a "living" latex, whereas a metal tank might. FWIW, HTH -- -- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@... wrote:
And it's hard to think of anything made of latex that would becorrosive and dangerous to put into an unlined tank car. But then,
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S scale SR 1951 wood rack web link
Jim King
A few of you contacted me re: Yahoo stripping the photo attachments from a
recent product announcement. The web page has since been created .. there are a couple of code typos that need to be fixed but the primary reason for sending this email is to allow y'all to view the proto pix and pricing info. Click on either image to look at an enlarged version. Credit Larry Goolsby for the "block font" photo and the SRHA, Inc.'s Archives for the "roman font" view taken at Spencer Shops prior to car being released for revenue service. Due to problems encountered with waffle box verbal/email reservations not being honored, I am requiring a non-refundable 50% deposit for all wood rack orders. Since this is a done-deal kit, available by early January '09, you won't lose your deposit or be delayed in getting your kit(s) as has sometimes occurred with other manufacturers over the years. Here is the web page link: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html Contact me off list if you have questions about payment options, shipping outside the "48", etc. Folks sending in deposits will be given priority service when production starts. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: Rivets
Ed Schleyer
Thank you. I would appreciate that, 1'm doing a 2 dimensional CAD
drawing and I would like the rendering to be accurate. Ed Schleyer ch00ch00@comcast.net - - those are zero's - not Oh's --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote: April 1997 one by Gene Green. If you don't have that issue, I'll look it upfor you. 13/16" see,hole. Does anyone know what size the Rivet was, or is? rivetthere is NO reference to size of rivet. By 1950's standards, the would bewould be 1/32" smaller than the hole. Doesn't seem that there that many nonstandard rivets made.
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