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Re: NYC municipal photo archives

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Ed - Yes, the photos are expensive. But since they're all on microfilm you can go there during business hours and make xerographic copies for low cast. I intend to access the 1941 real estate valuation photos to assist in building my el backgrounds. Also, a limited number of photos are now on their web site and more are being added all the time. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] NYC municipal photo archives


The New York City municipal TV station used to have a program which
showed B&W photos from their archives (Not sure if the archives is in
the public libary or not).

Each photo appeared for 10-15 seconds but segments were repeated; the
program was accompanied by techno music. Each presentation was themed
like Department of Sanitation or highways or fire department; every
so often a freight car appeared in the background.

They offered prints for sale at what I thought was a high price
(don't remember what it was now). I tried to contact them so I could
view/search the collection by they never answered my inquiries.

Some of the yard shots had outstanding freight car content; one had a
lot of billboard reefers.

Photos were from the turn of the century to about 1960.

From their description it sounded like they had literally millions of
negatives taken by professional (city employed) photographers.

Ed

Ed


Re: Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Don Worthy wrote:
Gary, I have a photo of 8570 and it is a true PS-2 except for the doors. Don't know why the DOD wanted the old style doors instead of the single 10ft door that was typical of the PS-2.
Don, a PS-2 is a covered hopper, of whatever size or type. A box car is a PS-1, regardless of length or details of design.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

Richard Townsend
 

The first thing that jumped out at me is that number of panels on each side of the doors is different on the two cars.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@earthlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar






The first picture in the first set of miscellanous rolling stock is a 50ft steel box, USNY 4436, with Superior 1.5 doors. No date or location is provided for the photo. It appears to be a clone of the Central of Georgia car that Speedwitch just started producing, albeit with different style doors. Can anyone confirm my review?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: mcindoefalls
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/6/2009 6:33:46 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight car photos

Here is a small group of good quality steam era photos.

Miscellaneous rolling stock:
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/mrs.html

Santa Fe rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr.html

SP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/spr.html

UP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upr.html

enjoy,
Walt Lankenau


Re: Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

Don Worthy
 

Gary, I have a photo of 8570 and it is a true PS-2 except for the doors. Don't know why the DOD wanted the old style doors instead of the single 10ft door that was typical of the PS-2.
Unlike the CofGa car that SpeedWitch is making, PS-2s were 10' 6" high and not 10'.
I had thought that these Navy cars were Gray. Were they silver?
Thanks
Don Worthy

--- On Tue, 1/20/09, tgregmrtn@aol.com <tgregmrtn@aol.com> wrote:

From: tgregmrtn@aol.com <tgregmrtn@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 4:42 PM






Gary,

If I am not mistaken this one of the Navy cars that was used out of the China Lake Facility. I saw several?these cars in Mojave, CA in the mid - 90s being refirbished? at a "make-shift" facilty on a siding next to the Mojave airport, which included new interior?plywood linings and new silver paint. Ed Hawkins may be able to shed more light on these cars as they had PS end but IIRC they have a flat panel roof, which I found very odd.?

Greg MArtin ?

-----Original Message-----
From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@earthlink .net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com; STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

The first picture in the first set of miscellanous rolling stock is a 50ft steel box, USNY 4436, with Superior 1.5 doors. No date or location is provided for the photo. It appears to be a clone of the Central of Georgia car that Speedwitch just started producing, albeit with different style doors. Can anyone confirm my review?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink .net

----- Original Message -----
From: mcindoefalls
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: 1/6/2009 6:33:46 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight car photos

Here is a small group of good quality steam era photos.

Miscellaneous rolling stock:
http://www.snowcres t.net/photobob/ mrs.html

Santa Fe rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcres t.net/photobob/ sfr.html

SP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcres t.net/photobob/ spr.html

UP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcres t.net/photobob/ upr.html

enjoy,
Walt Lankenau


Re: Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:26 PM, gary laakso wrote:

The first picture in the first set of miscellanous rolling stock is
a 50ft steel box, USNY 4436, with Superior 1.5 doors. No date or
location is provided for the photo. It appears to be a clone of the
Central of Georgia car that Speedwitch just started producing,
albeit with different style doors. Can anyone confirm my review?





Apart from the 1-1/2 10' wide doors and 50'6" IL, not even close.
The USNX 4000-5139 series were built in mid-1945 by the Pressed Steel
Car Co. and their construction appears to have been influenced by the
Baltimore & Ohio mechanical department; at any rate, they had the
same PSC ends and Pennsy style flush riveted roof as the B&O's M-55
class 40'6" IL box cars. Note also that their doors were offset to
the right, not to the left as on the C of G cars and most other 1-1/2
or double door box cars. They were intended for ammunition service
and were equipped when new with Utility Loaders. I'd like to model
one, as they came into Southern California on the Santa Fe all the
time with ammunition for navy ships at Long Beach and San Diego and
for the Marine base at Camp Pendleton, but it would have to be almost
100% scratch-built unless we can persuade one of the resin freight
car manufacturers to produce a kit.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:42 PM, tgregmrtn@aol.com wrote:

If I am not mistaken this one of the Navy cars that was used out of
the China Lake Facility. I saw several?these cars in Mojave, CA in the
mid - 90s being refirbished?at a "make-shift" facilty on a siding next
to the Mojave airport, which included new interior?plywood linings and
new silver paint. Ed Hawkins may be able to shed more light on these
cars as they had PS end but IIRC they have a flat panel roof, which I
found very odd.?
Greg,
The photo date states April 5, 1946, which predates production of the
PS-1s. The US Navy's 50' PS-1s with 1.5 doors were built in 1952 and
had 5-panel Superior doors. I'd have to do some searching to determine
the origin of this car.

The car may have 4-5 Dreadnaught Ends or 4-5 "car builder" corrugated
ends like those used by Pullman-Standard, but I cannot tell due to the
relatively low resolution when viewed on the computer screen. I also
cannot determine with any degree of certainty if the sides are riveted
or welded.

The 4/51 ORER lists 1,139 50' box cars in series 4000-5139 (5048
missing in the sequence) having 10' IH and 10'-wide door openings. I
cannot find any cars either built by AC&F, P-S, Greenville, or
Bethlehem Steel built for the U.S. Navy fitting the photo.

Does anyone have an 8x10 print of the car so that the build date can be
read? That piece of information would help a lot.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

Rod Miller
 

Apparently these or similar cars were used for
ammunition transport. I conclude that after
seeing a string of them on display in Fallon,
NV, which is just off the SP Thorne branch
(still in operation) that severed the Hawthorne
ammuntion depot (exact name UNK).

There is a very nicely preserved one sitting
on the Dumbarton main line (now OOS) in Menlo
Park, CA. It is owned by FEMA and used to
transport equipment if rail transport is
appropriate.

Rod

gary laakso wrote:
The first picture in the first set of miscellanous rolling
stock is a 50ft steel box, USNY 4436, with Superior 1.5 doors. No
date or location is provided for the photo. It appears to be a
clone of the Central of Georgia car that Speedwitch just started
producing, albeit with different style doors. Can anyone confirm
my review?
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: mcindoefalls To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/6/2009 6:33:46 PM Subject: [STMFC] Freight car photos
Here is a small group of good quality steam era photos.
Miscellaneous rolling stock:
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/mrs.html
Santa Fe rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr.html
SP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/spr.html
UP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upr.html
enjoy,
Walt Lankenau
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Re: Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

Greg Martin
 

Gary,

If I am not mistaken this one of the Navy cars that was used out of the China Lake Facility. I saw several?these cars in Mojave, CA in the mid - 90s being refirbished?at a "make-shift" facilty on a siding next to the Mojave airport, which included new interior?plywood linings and new silver paint. Ed Hawkins may be able to shed more light on these cars as they had PS end but IIRC they have a flat panel roof, which I found very odd.?

Greg MArtin ?

-----Original Message-----
From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@earthlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar






The first picture in the first set of miscellanous rolling stock is a 50ft steel box, USNY 4436, with Superior 1.5 doors. No date or location is provided for the photo. It appears to be a clone of the Central of Georgia car that Speedwitch just started producing, albeit with different style doors. Can anyone confirm my review?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: mcindoefalls
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/6/2009 6:33:46 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight car photos

Here is a small group of good quality steam era photos.

Miscellaneous rolling stock:
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/mrs.html

Santa Fe rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr.html

SP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/spr.html

UP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upr.html

enjoy,
Walt Lankenau


Navy 1.5 steel door 50 foot boxcar

gary laakso
 

The first picture in the first set of miscellanous rolling stock is a 50ft steel box, USNY 4436, with Superior 1.5 doors. No date or location is provided for the photo. It appears to be a clone of the Central of Georgia car that Speedwitch just started producing, albeit with different style doors. Can anyone confirm my review?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: mcindoefalls
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/6/2009 6:33:46 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight car photos


Here is a small group of good quality steam era photos.

Miscellaneous rolling stock:
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/mrs.html

Santa Fe rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr.html

SP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/spr.html

UP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upr.html

enjoy,
Walt Lankenau


Re: Amherst Society Show - MILW Rib Side Cars

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> wrote:

Forgive the commercial intrusion. We will be attending the Amherst
Railway Society show in West Springfield, MA this weekend and will have
the complete line of Rib Side Cars 40' and 50' Milwaukee boxcars in all
of their schemes.
For us transplanted Yankees living south of the Mason-Dixon line, is
there a chance that you will be at Timonium the following week?

Dave Evans,
Fairfax, VA


Re: film short

George
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Schneider <branchline@...> wrote:

Like almost everything, its been YouTube'd....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NePhRIwzkfA And yes, at 5:46 in there
are (I'll be damned) O&W camelbacks in Weehawken (across from
Manhatten) and nearby STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS (see Mike, we are on
topic.... sort of). Not nearly a long enough clip, but.....
Interesting photo angles too.

Bill Schneider
This film can also be viewed or downloaded (without the music) at:

http://www.archive.org/details/Manhatta_1921

In the opening scene there is a Ferry (or barge) with some steam
era freight cars aboard. I noticed that two of the four house cars
visible have their doors open. Just an observation, not trying to
open a new thread about box cars traveling with their doors open.

George York


NYC municipal photo archives

ed_mines
 

The New York City municipal TV station used to have a program which
showed B&W photos from their archives (Not sure if the archives is in
the public libary or not).

Each photo appeared for 10-15 seconds but segments were repeated; the
program was accompanied by techno music. Each presentation was themed
like Department of Sanitation or highways or fire department; every
so often a freight car appeared in the background.

They offered prints for sale at what I thought was a high price
(don't remember what it was now). I tried to contact them so I could
view/search the collection by they never answered my inquiries.

Some of the yard shots had outstanding freight car content; one had a
lot of billboard reefers.

Photos were from the turn of the century to about 1960.

From their description it sounded like they had literally millions of
negatives taken by professional (city employed) photographers.

Ed

Ed


Re: Video of yard switching

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Tim is right; it sure looks like Enola. The Juniata River in the
back is the give-away.

If it's Enola, that would be the Susquehanna.

Walt Lankenau


MKT SS box car

ed_mines
 

Anyone know how common freight car red MKT SS box cars were post WWII?

There's one in the recently mentioned Enola video.

Ed


Re: Resin kit problems...

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Schuyler - We try to keep the web site current. If the site allows you to order something that (usually) means we can make it. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Resin kit problems...



> To further explain Dennis' answer, I told him that for 20 years we replaced the old polyester
castings with the new
> castings at our cost. And indeed, we did offer all hobby shops a free replacement to get the
polyester kits off their
> shelves. But now that we're semi-retired we can no longer afford to continue the program. We still
get requests from
> hobby shops for replacements....- Al Westerfield

Al, do you still offer all of those kits?

SGL


Re: Video of yard switching

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Here's a youtube video I stumbled upon this morning --
<<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLVuj8C3THc&;feature=related>> --
that is
taken at a PRR yard somewhere...
Some nice slipping action at 2:54, also, did anyone notice the carman
closing journal lids as the cars went over the hump at 4:19?

Dennis


Re: Video of yard switching

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim is right; it sure looks like Enola. The Juniata River in the back is the
give-away.



The conditions of the engines and age of autos in a few shots indicates it is
probably somewhere in the '55-'56 range.



Notably, the condition of both PRR engines and especially freight cars is
terrible. Other roads' are not nearly as bad. The PRR cars are horribly
rusty.



I also love the shot of the Hippo spinning its wheels trying to push that
string of loaded gons!



Elden Gatwood





________________________________

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:36 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Video of yard switching




appears to be Enola yard (Harrisburg PA)

At 1/20/2009 12:49 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Here's a youtube video I stumbled upon this morning --
<<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLVuj8C3THc&;feature=related
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLVuj8C3THc&;feature=related> >> -- that is
taken at a PRR yard somewhere. It is in color. The person doing the
filming was shooting the steam locomotives but occasionally a freight car
gets in his way and, well, there it is. There are a pair of PM gons w/
auto frames seen early in the video, some odds and ends that creep into the
frame, a BREX Reefer, Hooker Tankcar, and several boxcars moving being cut
off at the top of a hump yard at the end. It's short, kinda interesting.
Not memorable but I enjoyed it.

Dave Nelson


Re: Video of yard switching

Tim O'Connor
 

appears to be Enola yard (Harrisburg PA)

At 1/20/2009 12:49 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Here's a youtube video I stumbled upon this morning --
<<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLVuj8C3THc&;feature=related>> -- that is
taken at a PRR yard somewhere. It is in color. The person doing the
filming was shooting the steam locomotives but occasionally a freight car
gets in his way and, well, there it is. There are a pair of PM gons w/
auto frames seen early in the video, some odds and ends that creep into the
frame, a BREX Reefer, Hooker Tankcar, and several boxcars moving being cut
off at the top of a hump yard at the end. It's short, kinda interesting.
Not memorable but I enjoyed it.

Dave Nelson


Video of yard switching

Dave Nelson
 

Here's a youtube video I stumbled upon this morning --
<<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLVuj8C3THc&;feature=related>> -- that is
taken at a PRR yard somewhere. It is in color. The person doing the
filming was shooting the steam locomotives but occasionally a freight car
gets in his way and, well, there it is. There are a pair of PM gons w/
auto frames seen early in the video, some odds and ends that creep into the
frame, a BREX Reefer, Hooker Tankcar, and several boxcars moving being cut
off at the top of a hump yard at the end. It's short, kinda interesting.
Not memorable but I enjoyed it.

Dave Nelson


ADMIN: Message From Model Railroad Hobbyist Regarding Computer Interfaces

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I mentioned in my recent message that I would post a message from Model Railroad Hobbyist [ MRH ] if and when they wished to commuinicate to the STMFC information regarding their interface to computers. I now do that with the following message from Joe Fugate, publisher of MRH. Note that messages other than this one regarding the computer interface from MRH remain out of scope on the STMFC.

From Joe Fugate:

"Model Railroad Hobbyist has now had almost 18,000 downloads of issue 1,
and we've received some 50 emails from people who are having problems -
90% of them from Mac users who are running OS 10.5 (Leopard). Adobe
pushes Flash inside PDFs as the "way to go" for rich media publishing,
but they unfortunately didn't reveal that there's some very annoying
issues with this approach on Macs. PCs tend to work with far fewer
problems. This appears to be Adobe's "dirty little secret" to their
claimed 98% adoption of Flash by all internet users.

We also realize the 78MB download can be a bit much for some, and the
rich media issues on Macs is especially annoying. Finally, Adobe Reader
9 isn't even available on Linux. To address all these concerns, we've
released a new LITE Edition that's a mere 19 MB download. It has lower
quality graphics, minimal embedded rich media, and will run on just
about anything that will display Adobe Reader 7 PDFs. We've tried it in
Foxit Reader, for example, and it works great. All the rich media is
available over the internet if you click on the item to say you want to
view the rich media - this does mean you will need an active internet
connection if you want to view the rich media over the web. The LITE
Edition should also work without issue on Mac OS 10.5 (Leopard).

We believe the new LITE Edition should address most of the concerns that
have been raised - and we will be releasing both a PREMIUM Edition and a
LITE Edition of all future issues. If you need any other troubleshooting
advice, please don't hesitate to go over to
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com and tell us about it so we can give
you assistance. We are very interested in solving any technical issues
and making it as easy as possible for everyone to download and read our
new Model Railroad Hobbyist mediaZine.

--Joe Fugate
Publisher, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine"
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

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