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Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Eric,
 
Can’t help wondering whether “B&W” has more do with the cargo’s destination than with the manufacturer, especially with “Auckland,” presumably New Zealand.
 
Just a thought.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars
 

While the photo caption notes AMC companies, the boxes are stenciled for B&W. What vehicle company was that? Determining this company should pin point a photo reference year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I think the date on this has already been called into question by another list member.

 

I can see that the build date on the nearest flat is 4-99, which I take to be April 1899. It is a 35 ton car.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io

To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:38 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Eric Hansmann
 

While the photo caption notes AMC companies, the boxes are stenciled for B&W. What vehicle company was that? Determining this company should pin point a photo reference year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I think the date on this has already been called into question by another list member.

 

I can see that the build date on the nearest flat is 4-99, which I take to be April 1899. It is a 35 ton car.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:38 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


C&O Burro Crane Photos

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Today I'm sharing six photos of C&O Burro cranes. All these photos were taken in the 1980s or 1990s, most at Charlottesville, but two views are of the same crane at Gladstone (front and rear). I don't know for certain when these cranes were built, but I suspect that most date from the 1950s and so are within our timeframe. 

Strangely, I've never seen any bigger C&O cranes, though they certainly had some large machines. I would not be surprised if there is/was one stationed at Clifton Forge, and possibly another at Newport News or Richmond.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 


Re: 2-56 tap drill (was Re: UMM Tools)

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Joe!

On 6/17/2020 10:20 AM, Joseph Melhorn wrote:

I’ve had good luck with drill bits and hand taps from Drills and Cutters: https://drillsandcutters.com/hand-taps/

Take a look at the HSS Hand Taps. The drill bits I buy from them are the Jobber Drills (Standard Length), Black Oxide, Surface Treated, Standard Point,  by Qualtech.

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Dubuque reefer paint schemes

Brian Carlson
 

How late into the 1950’s did the Dubuque scheme with the red elongated oval with A white “Dubuque” and “from the tall corn Country” slogan last. The car has a 1951 reweigh.

I assume this was the immediate predecessor to the billboard scheme.
Thanks.
Brian J. Carlson


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Guy Wilber
 

Bruce,

Thank you.  I would hope the XAR’s come to fruition down the road.  Definitely looking forward to an upgrade from the Bowser models.

Regards, 

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

“That is correct. The Rapido double door cars are class X31A.  These are general service box cars with no automobile loaders and hence no tubes, fixtures or door markings. Note, that they can still be marked "AUTOMOBILES" as is one of the Rapido models. A number of these (X31A DD) cars were used in auto parts service. So, haul the completed product in X31 and X31C cars, haul the parts in X31A and X31B cars.”


Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

Walter Cox
 

I recall that the Consumers Glass company in Ville St, Pierre, Quebec received sand in early CN covered hoppers in the mid 50's, at least as late as 1957 when I moved out of the area. There was a ball field nearby and when we didn't have enough kids for a game of French scrub we used to hang around watching a CN N-4  2-8-0 switch the plant and run errands to the local hamburger joint for the engine crew. I even got to ride in the fireman's seat on a short hop to drop off some cars at a CP interchange and got to blow the whistle at a level crossing on the way. Rule enforcement wasn't what is is today.
Walt.

In a message dated 6/16/2020 6:33:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, tony@... writes:

Todd Sullivan wrote:

The silica (the technical name for sand) has been shipped by covered hopper since the mid or late 1960s . . .._,_._,_


Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

Drew M.
 

John,
   The RDG two bay hoppers were assigned to sand service after this list's cutoff date.

Drew

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

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On Jun 17, 2020, at 11:47, "mofwcaboose via groups.io" <aol.com@groups.io target=_blank>mofwcaboose=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I lived in Sewell, NJ, on the P-RSL in the 1950s and saw exactly the same thing.; sand in long gondolas. I don't remember any Reading hoppers. Sewell was on the line that passed through Vineland to Millville.

You could always tell if the train had stopped because there would be little piles of sand where it had leaked through any opening in the floor.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonits Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew M. via groups.io <phillydrewcifer@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2020 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

The CNJ regularly hauled sand out of the Vineland, NJ and Millville, NJ areas in 52' gondolas. The sand was just piled in the car - CNJ employees would joke that SJ-2 looked like a rolling sandstorm. The RDG had a series of 2 bay offset side hoppers they assigned to the same area to haul sand on the PRSL.

Drew Marshall, Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

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Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I think the date on this has already been called into question by another list member.
 
I can see that the build date on the nearest flat is 4-99, which I take to be April 1899. It is a 35 ton car.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:38 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the HT-3 and HT-4 series ranges.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

HT-3 191000-191499

HT-4 191500-191749


Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 11:14 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Thanks Rupert. My list doesn’t include HT-3 and HT-4 so I need the information on those for my hopper roster.

 


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Dennis Storzek
 

Why does everyone always go off on the dates the interns at these university libraries enter? They know absolutely nothing about railroads, or cars, or ships... they are just told to enter all the information found on the photo, or associated with the photo, such as it was in a box marked "1950." It really is better that they preserve the info; maybe 1950 is a significant date for the AMC organization, maybe it could be used to tell what predecessor company the photo came from. It's up the end user, who is supposedly an expert, to establish the true date. It's certainly better than just making something up, which is what some of the local historical societies seem to do.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Rupert Gamlen
 

HT-3 191000-191499

HT-4 191500-191749


Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 11:14 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Thanks Rupert. My list doesn’t include HT-3 and HT-4 so I need the information on those for my hopper roster.


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Dave Parker
 

CStPM&O 12000-12311 series flat cars, odd nos. only, CAPY = 70,000 lbs.

7 left in my 1930 ORER
0 in my 1935
0 in my 1938

Unfortunately flat-car lettering was so minimal it doesn't provide many clues as to pre- or post-1927 ARA lettering.  But clearly "1950s" is not really close.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


FW: Burr Oak Shops

Aley, Jeff A
 

Forwarded from the RockIslandLines list.  It looks like a few pages are missing – hopefully they’re present at the Hathitrust website.

 


Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

From: RockIslandLines@groups.io <RockIslandLines@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Long
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:38 PM
To: RockIslandLines@groups.io
Subject: [RockIslandLines] Burr Oak Shops

 

Here’s a surprise find in this book on Car Shop Practices – a guided tour of getting a car rebuilt in Chicago.  In case of images not sending please use the link to the document.

 

 

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112039482564&view=1up&seq=274&size=125

 

 

 

 

 

 

Page scan of sequence 271

 

 

 

 

 

Page scan of sequence 274

 

Page scan of sequence 275

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

mel perry
 

i think who ever categorized or archived
this photo, made a mistake with the date,
wooden flatcar with truss rods and arch
bar trucks, not lkely in the 1950's, also i
doubt AMC existed as an entity  in 1899?
and then there's the photo itself, looks
considerably older than the "50's"
just a thought
mel perry


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 12:38 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with


Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Edward
 

Likely a Nash shipment of the late 1920's - early 1930's.
It and Studebaker were fairly popular makes back then, competing with lower and middle makes of the time.
Both companies had a sizeable export business until the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act became law.

The merger with Hudson, a more up-market make at that time, was still a few decades away.
Did anyone notice the rows of canted poles in the background?
Could that be the North Shore line, if those boxed autos (likely built as right hand drive as well), were coming from the Nash factory in Kenosha?

Ed Bommer


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Eric Hansmann
 

The first car has a 4-99 built date. I can’t find a readable weigh date stencil.

 

All but one flat car here have truss rods.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Those all appear to be truss rod flat cars and that suggests the purported date is way off.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

al_brown03
 

Are those arch-bar trucks on the near car?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Not all, but certainly most. At least one non-truss rod flat on the far end. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jun 17, 2020, at 2:55 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



Those all appear to be truss rod flat cars and that suggests the purported date is way off.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

gary laakso
 

Those all appear to be truss rod flat cars and that suggests the purported date is way off.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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