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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Gary and all,

 

I’ve uploaded the correct PDF for the first part of the kit instructions. You may want to open that kit Extras page and hit refresh before clicking on the part 1 link to download the PDF

http://resincarworks.com/extras/extras_kit14-0_ATSF_Fe50ft.htm

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:03 AM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

 

The pages with the kit construction, pp 2-7, did not make the kit instructions pdf.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:53 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

 

We have an update on the Resin Car Works Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcar kits. Kit instructions have been posted, too. The update is the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

gary laakso
 

The pages with the kit construction, pp 2-7, did not make the kit instructions pdf.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:53 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

 

We have an update on the Resin Car Works Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcar kits. Kit instructions have been posted, too. The update is the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

We have an update on the Resin Car Works Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcar kits. Kit instructions have been posted, too. The update is the latest Resin Car Works blog post.


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Interesting load on a SAL flat

Fritz Milhaupt
 

Here's an earlier version of a water tube boiler on a flat car, from Saginaw, Michigan in 1895.

The Flint & Pere Marquette was one of the predecessors to the Pere Marquette, which owned the second flat car in the photo at the top of this thread.

- Fritz Milhaupt


Re: PFE R40-24

Paul Doggett
 

Hi Johannes

Thank you.
Paul

On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:55, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

nice build. Yes, the Sunshine PFEs seem to be great kits (I am no expert though), I still have about 20 different waiting to be finished for a much larger PFE train.

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett. England





Re: PFE R40-24

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Paul,

nice build. Yes, the Sunshine PFEs seem to be great kits (I am no expert though), I still have about 20 different waiting to be finished for a much larger PFE train.

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett. England




Re: NP Wood Reefer

np328
 

Brian Leppert wrote : I've spent too much time trying to research NP wood reefers and really wish someone else would do the job.  The roster changed over time.  

      I live here in St. Paul, MN. Fifteen minute drive from the Minnesota Historical Society and tried over years to put a semblance of a form to the car roster. After a while, many decades, not all research time spent on researching reefer, but plenty, I came to the conclusion that:
1) Leasing affected the roster. I've dug into some accounting records, not exactly my idea of fruitful research as things just got murkier. (Leighton Hudson, fellow archivist here will say - It seems like they will roll in a car, then take a crane and lift the body off the trucks, lower a different car body on the trucks and stencil the body with the car number those trucks rolled in on.     After spending some time in the accounting books I must admit, no other theory worked as well as that.)   
2) Loading commodities affected the roster (From an NP Officer, Once having carried fish, reefers are then unfit for any other commodity. Fish service is where reefers go to die!) Was there a certain class selected to haul fish from the west? Not that I found, it seemed rather to be cars the west coast yardmasters chose on the spot. A west coast yardmaster at Centralia or Chehalis, WA  ( I forget ) sent a relatively newer reefer to a fishery and got the above telegram from the NP officer at the St. Paul offices.  
3) Changing suitability demands, in the time frame of these reefers, they could from time to time be placed in passenger trains, and often were - east of St. Paul.
       A listing of car numbers of groups of reefers that were run from Northtown (Minneapolis) to St. Paul 4th Street yard (in the direct vicinity of St. Paul Union Depot) where as soon as they were re-iced they were taken to the next passenger train east headed east at SPUD. CB&Q, Milwaukee, C&NW, didn't matter (although CNW seemed to be favored) and headed east.
          The tie-in is in the 30's after I cannot call what event wreck, roads east of Chicago required reefers have buffers of a certain quality when placed in a passenger train. (Not just steam lines which were already there, or signaling air lines, rather the whole buffer and in some cases, trucks be of a certain wheelbase.)  Many NP reefers at the time lacked these heavy buffers and so the NP rebuilt some reefers, but not others. And this created sub-classes out of what was one class prior.    
4) Bunk houses, really. In my studies on stations and depots on the NP, from time to time when sent to a remote area, an operator or agent with a family would/could demand housing. The local B&B forces would be asked to just grab "a reefer, in decent shape and suitable to be used as housing" and put in a few windows, a wall or two, and a stove. Then take it to the site requested. A later letter in the same study topic has a President (in the early 1940's I believe) ask his officers if "something can't be done about all these reefer car bodies used as housing along the ROW."     

      I was reminded of the above at the impromptu SWIFT reefer gathering at Chicagoland where some of the same concerns were listed.        Jim Dick - St. Paul                           


Re: Photo: DL&W Boxcar 12448

Greg Martin
 

Interesting end. 9-7, I don't remember seeing this end.

Greg Martin 



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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DL&W Boxcar 12448

Photo: DL&W Boxcar 12448

Good roof and end views of this car:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-15-19/X8017.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-15-19/X8016.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-14-19/X8015.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


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Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

mark_landgraf
 

After looking thru a bunch of freight guides, Milw had some very similar plows. These appear to have about a 6-7 foot front radius and about a 2-3 foot radius at the exit. Milw drawings are available at the Milw Public Library. 

The Russell wedge plows seem to be using the same math as above, but it is certainly mounted differently. 

If i had to make one of these, I would start with piece of doweling placed in the lathe and cut to the correct dimensions and rate of taper. Sand it smooth and coat it with graphite. Then using 10-20 thou styrene and a heat gun I'd get the basic curved shape. Make two pieces. You'll need to cut the mating line on a compound miter. I figure I'd need to make 3-4 attempts before before I'd get the correct relationship. Then trim up the edges. Good luck. 

Mark


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:59 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io
<mark_landgraf@...> wrote:
I was hoping somebody would say Milwaukee or Rock Island or MoPac or CNW. 

Mark


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:44 PM, Nelson Moyer
<npmoyer@...> wrote:

GN had identical blades as far as I can determine. Maybe the GN faithful will confirm that assertion?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mark_landgraf via Groups.Io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

DeGolyer library at SMU, has the freight car drawings for all of the predecessor rr's of BN. They also have the Q locomotive steam drawings collection. 

 

Last I knew, none of this is cataloged, and they may even deny having these collections. Good luck. 

 

Do the Q's plows look like anybody else's?

 

Great Lakes society has a good collection of drawings of a variety of central states rr's. 

 

Mark Landgraf

Albany NY

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:08 PM, Nelson Moyer

<npmoyer@...> wrote:

The CB&Q used gondola wedge push plows in the early years, but in 1948, they scrapped the gondolas, salvaged the wedge blades, and mounted them on FM-11 and FM-11A flat cars. I’d like to model one of these wedge plows, but I can’t fine scale drawings of the blade. I checked Shapeways, and none of the blades I found match the Q wedge type. It seems like the wedge plow blade would be a natural for 3D printing for someone with CAD skills. Has anyone done a blade drawings suitable for 3D printing? Alternatively, has anyone published an article on construction the blade, including patterns for cutting the blade parts? I have the MR Jan 1957 article, but the blade doesn’t look quite right for the CB&Q. I have several photos of the Q wedge plows to work from, but I don’t do CAD.

 

The Q had over 100 of these cars, and they were distributed at division points, sub-division points, and other yards across the system. Other roads like the GN used them, so there should be a market for a 3D printed version in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


NP Wood Reefer

Andy Carlson
 

Hi-
I am reminded that back in the late 1980s, while riding the OP&E steam train (The Emperor of the North" railroad), there was a nice condition wood sided NP reefer along side of the tracks shortly after exiting Cottage Grove, the starting point for the steam trip to Bohemia. Does this reefer still survive, and if so could it be of use in revealing its underframe for those of us who care?

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, November 18, 2019, 5:06:20 PM PST, brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...> wrote:


I've spent too much time trying to research NP wood reefers and really wish someone else would do the job.  The rooster changed over time.  An example is the 92000 series.  An earlier series had "steel center sills", a 43'-4" outside length and 2097 cubic feet.  The Oct. 1940 lists only four cars left, compared to 866 in 1935.  This group totally disappeared in the 1940s but the number series was then used for rebuilt wood reefers.  So be careful.

_._,_._,_



Re: NP Wood Reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 03:09 PM, npin53 wrote:
Here is a 93000. The photo is a tif. I don't see the deep cross bearers.
Yeah, that's the image you posted a couple days ago, and no, I don't see them either. As dark as the underframe is, I would expect to see the silhouette of the crossbearer cover plate and its rivets where it passed under the center sills, if it was there. But, it's always nicer to be able to cite what IS in a picture, rather than what IS NOT.

Dennis Storzek


Re: NP Wood Reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 05:05 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:
Photo of NP 92238 I bought from Arnold Menke at O Scale West. Photo taken Portland, OR in Nov. 1936 and shows a still different underframe. 
That appears to be the same underframe as in the photo of 94631 that Aaron posted a couple pages back. Might I suggest that this is also a re-built/re-numbered car? You'll notice that these cars with two truss rods have no steel side sills, just the wood sills behind the sheathing. I think lack of a full compliment of steel sills puts them in the steel center sills category, even though they have steel body boldters and crossbearers.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

mark_landgraf
 

I was hoping somebody would say Milwaukee or Rock Island or MoPac or CNW. 

Mark


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:44 PM, Nelson Moyer
<npmoyer@...> wrote:

GN had identical blades as far as I can determine. Maybe the GN faithful will confirm that assertion?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mark_landgraf via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

DeGolyer library at SMU, has the freight car drawings for all of the predecessor rr's of BN. They also have the Q locomotive steam drawings collection. 

 

Last I knew, none of this is cataloged, and they may even deny having these collections. Good luck. 

 

Do the Q's plows look like anybody else's?

 

Great Lakes society has a good collection of drawings of a variety of central states rr's. 

 

Mark Landgraf

Albany NY

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:08 PM, Nelson Moyer

<npmoyer@...> wrote:

The CB&Q used gondola wedge push plows in the early years, but in 1948, they scrapped the gondolas, salvaged the wedge blades, and mounted them on FM-11 and FM-11A flat cars. I’d like to model one of these wedge plows, but I can’t fine scale drawings of the blade. I checked Shapeways, and none of the blades I found match the Q wedge type. It seems like the wedge plow blade would be a natural for 3D printing for someone with CAD skills. Has anyone done a blade drawings suitable for 3D printing? Alternatively, has anyone published an article on construction the blade, including patterns for cutting the blade parts? I have the MR Jan 1957 article, but the blade doesn’t look quite right for the CB&Q. I have several photos of the Q wedge plows to work from, but I don’t do CAD.

 

The Q had over 100 of these cars, and they were distributed at division points, sub-division points, and other yards across the system. Other roads like the GN used them, so there should be a market for a 3D printed version in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

GN had identical blades as far as I can determine. Maybe the GN faithful will confirm that assertion?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mark_landgraf via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

DeGolyer library at SMU, has the freight car drawings for all of the predecessor rr's of BN. They also have the Q locomotive steam drawings collection. 

 

Last I knew, none of this is cataloged, and they may even deny having these collections. Good luck. 

 

Do the Q's plows look like anybody else's?

 

Great Lakes society has a good collection of drawings of a variety of central states rr's. 

 

Mark Landgraf

Albany NY

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:08 PM, Nelson Moyer

<npmoyer@...> wrote:

The CB&Q used gondola wedge push plows in the early years, but in 1948, they scrapped the gondolas, salvaged the wedge blades, and mounted them on FM-11 and FM-11A flat cars. I’d like to model one of these wedge plows, but I can’t fine scale drawings of the blade. I checked Shapeways, and none of the blades I found match the Q wedge type. It seems like the wedge plow blade would be a natural for 3D printing for someone with CAD skills. Has anyone done a blade drawings suitable for 3D printing? Alternatively, has anyone published an article on construction the blade, including patterns for cutting the blade parts? I have the MR Jan 1957 article, but the blade doesn’t look quite right for the CB&Q. I have several photos of the Q wedge plows to work from, but I don’t do CAD.

 

The Q had over 100 of these cars, and they were distributed at division points, sub-division points, and other yards across the system. Other roads like the GN used them, so there should be a market for a 3D printed version in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

mark_landgraf
 

DeGolyer library at SMU, has the freight car drawings for all of the predecessor rr's of BN. They also have the Q locomotive steam drawings collection. 

Last I knew, none of this is cataloged, and they may even deny having these collections. Good luck. 

Do the Q's plows look like anybody else's?

Great Lakes society has a good collection of drawings of a variety of central states rr's. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:08 PM, Nelson Moyer
<npmoyer@...> wrote:

The CB&Q used gondola wedge push plows in the early years, but in 1948, they scrapped the gondolas, salvaged the wedge blades, and mounted them on FM-11 and FM-11A flat cars. I’d like to model one of these wedge plows, but I can’t fine scale drawings of the blade. I checked Shapeways, and none of the blades I found match the Q wedge type. It seems like the wedge plow blade would be a natural for 3D printing for someone with CAD skills. Has anyone done a blade drawings suitable for 3D printing? Alternatively, has anyone published an article on construction the blade, including patterns for cutting the blade parts? I have the MR Jan 1957 article, but the blade doesn’t look quite right for the CB&Q. I have several photos of the Q wedge plows to work from, but I don’t do CAD.

 

The Q had over 100 of these cars, and they were distributed at division points, sub-division points, and other yards across the system. Other roads like the GN used them, so there should be a market for a 3D printed version in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

radiodial868
 

Huh? Gotta love it. What's a poor modeler to do.  Step 23 of the Owl Mountain SP F-50 flatcar instructions says "Paint Specs called for SP Flatcars to have decks painted flatcar red".   The instructions references some book by a guy named Anthony W. Thompson called "Southern Pacific Freight Cars Vol 3" for photos.    Jason, you got some 'splaining to do!   :>(p
RJ Dial
===============================

  • Another trick, is that for decks that were originally painted (i.e. SP), I'll also add some of the body color to the palette. Similarly, I'll leave a board unpainted now and then to represent replacements. They still get the washes though.
    If by SP you mean Southern Pacific, I can assure you that SP did not paint flat car decks, ever, at least prior to 1960. They did use treated wood, but not paint.
Tony Thompson


Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

The CB&Q used gondola wedge push plows in the early years, but in 1948, they scrapped the gondolas, salvaged the wedge blades, and mounted them on FM-11 and FM-11A flat cars. I’d like to model one of these wedge plows, but I can’t fine scale drawings of the blade. I checked Shapeways, and none of the blades I found match the Q wedge type. It seems like the wedge plow blade would be a natural for 3D printing for someone with CAD skills. Has anyone done a blade drawings suitable for 3D printing? Alternatively, has anyone published an article on construction the blade, including patterns for cutting the blade parts? I have the MR Jan 1957 article, but the blade doesn’t look quite right for the CB&Q. I have several photos of the Q wedge plows to work from, but I don’t do CAD.

 

The Q had over 100 of these cars, and they were distributed at division points, sub-division points, and other yards across the system. Other roads like the GN used them, so there should be a market for a 3D printed version in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: NP Wood Reefer

brianleppert@att.net
 

I've spent too much time trying to research NP wood reefers and really wish someone else would do the job.  The rooster changed over time.  An example is the 92000 series.  An earlier series had "steel center sills", a 43'-4" outside length and 2097 cubic feet.  The Oct. 1940 lists only four cars left, compared to 866 in 1935.  This group totally disappeared in the 1940s but the number series was then used for rebuilt wood reefers.  So be careful.

Photo of NP 92629 is a Ted Culotta scan for ebay of a later car.  Tacoma, WA 2-18-55 from Bob's Photo.

Photo of NP 92238 I bought from Arnold Menke at O Scale West. Photo taken Portland, OR in Nov. 1936 and shows a still different underframe.  Scanned and posted here without his permission.  Better prints can be bought from him.  Arn's Rail Photos, 1429 Franklin St, Bisbee, Arizona 85603  waspman@...


Re: NP Wood Reefer

npin53
 

Here is a 93000. The photo is a tif. I don't see the deep cross bearers.

Aaron


Re: NP Wood Reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:36 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
90002-90799 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-1" cuft 2086 - 490 cars
90802-90999 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-1" cuft 2086 - 135 cars
92001-92942 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-0" cuft 2041 - 358 cars
93000-93950 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-1" cuft 2086 - 199 cars
94442-94920 RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2086 - 19 cars
99942-99966 RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2148 - 5 cars
     99967       RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2086 - 1 car
99968-99995 RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2148 - 25 cars
Ignoring the 999xx series cars, which all seem to be later rebuilds, It appears the NP worked backward from 94999, so the high numbered cars are the oldest. This seems to be supported by the fact that the 94xxx series cars are marked "steel center sills" while the others are "steel underframe." Those oldest cars would be the cars with truss rods.

It's always iffy to rely on the equipment diagram drawings for this sort of data, because the drawings are little more than caricatures, just diagrams on which to hang dimensions. However, the diagram that Aaron posted for 94400-94899, built 1917, is most definitely showing truss rods, The diagram for 93000-93999, built 1922, has two little rectangles under the sill where one would expect to find the cross bearers, and I'll make the argument that the draftsman is trying to show us the shallow "USRA style" crossbearers. Now, if we had a diagram for the low 90000 cars built in 1931 and it shows the heavy crossbearers running all the way to the bottom of the center sills, we could be pretty sure that these three lots of cars had three different underframes. Better yet, a well lit photo of the 93000 series cars should confirm the form of their crossbearers, but photos that show the details of freightcar underframes are sometimes hard to come by.

Dennis Storzek