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Re: Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?
Dave Parker
I agree that it's a radial roof, but it doesn't seem to match the images of the Hutchins "camber" roof in the 1916 CBC. I don't know who made that roof.
-- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?
mel perry
the radial version mel perry
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:00 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?
Hutchins Dry Lading Roof? A photo taken in 1916: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ssave/39075615572/in/album-72157689846832316/ Is this an example of a Hutchins Dry Lading roof? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Soo Line boxcar
Elliot Courtney
Great model! What size chain and brass strip do you need for the brake cylinder pulley assembly? My sunshine kit of the soo sawtooth did not include either. Thanks,
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Re: RPM updates
G.J. Irwin
A "recommend" from me for the Toronto RPM. It's relatively small but has been growing. Several historical societies are attending this year. https://torontoprototypemodellers.wordpress.com/
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Re: Soo Line boxcar
Dave Lawler
I really like those cars. They have lots of “personality”. Great looking model. Dave Lawler
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Re: Scratch building FGEX car sides.
Scott
The presentation PDF is on Ted blog.
Link to Kitbash PDF It is about halfway down with photos of cars 10925 and 10857. Scott McDonald
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Randy Hammill
I must have mistranscribed the GN group.
I mentioned the flat bottom of the top rib in a second post. Thanks! Randy — Randy Hammill Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: Soo Line boxcar
Dennis Storzek
I, of course, have a soft spot in my heart for models of these cars, and this is a very nice build, and an extremely nice paint and weathering job.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Thanks Steve. You're right but I have ignored the treatment of the flat-bottom top major rib because EVERYONE in the hobby biz has ignored it (in HO scale) with one Accurail exception (I think; from memory). There are dozens and dozens of examples where that feature is missing from our models. :-(
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From: Goatfisher2@comcast.net To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: 2020-03-13 5:05:05 AM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends. **** SOME of the SP B-50-27 box cars had the earlier ends without the extra thin rib at the top. **** **** I've enclosed two photos to show this - SP 100303 and 100441. Evidently the ends changed during the construction period. **** SP 100303 has the IDN-2 end that to my knowledge has never been offered in model form - thin top rib with the bottom of the top rolling pin flattened. SP 100441 has a version of the end I've never seen before - no top stiffener with a flat bottomed top rolling pin - another opportunity for a niche product! The B-50-27 had a 10-0 IH body with 6' door and 10 panel sides - For that you will need the Intermountain 1937 AAR body (which has a blank space for the car end). **** The GN 11000 series had the earlier ends. **** GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-1 end: 2525 - 2549 (3/1948) 10900 - 11199 (2/48) 11200 - 11374 (3/48) GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-2 end: 11375 - 11624 (6/48) 11625 - 11874 (6/48) 18000 - 18499 (6/49) 18500 - 19499 (9/49) 19500 - 20499 (11/52) Best regards, Steve Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Soo Line boxcar
Lester Breuer
Fine build. Look forward to seeing it tonight in the display room at the Modelers Retreat.
Lester Breuer
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Re: The Valley Forge RPM in Malvern, Pa has been canceled
Dave Owens
I agree Marty.
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It was the right thing to do. I feel bad, though. I was looking forward to the meet. Dave Owens
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:40 AM MARTIN McGuirk <mjmcguirk@comcast.net> wrote:
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Re: The Valley Forge RPM in Malvern, Pa has been canceled
Marty McGuirk
Dave,
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Thanks, No surprise considering the situation. Marty McGuirk Gainesville, VA
On March 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Dave Owens <daowens@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Soo Line boxcar
Paul Doggett
Rich
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A fine looking build and paint job . I built one of Dennis Storzeks kits. paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 13 Mar 2020, at 11:15, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:
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Re: Soo Line boxcar
gtws00
Nicely done Rich.
Thanks for sharing George Toman
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Steve!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve Haas
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 4:35 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Eldon,
**** How are they different from the ends EJ&E had on their 10’IH cars? Or the B&LE cars? **** The EJ&E per Hawkins) had 500 10’ IH cars with IDN-2 ends, the ends in the original picture are IDN-1 ends.
**** And why have NONE of these been done as plastic kits? **** Intermountain produces the IDN-1 ends for their 12 panel 10’ car.
The also produce a thin/3/4 with a full rolling pin for that top corrugation on the 3-panel portion of the end. I’ve yet to find uncover a 10’ prototype for that end.
Best regards,
Steve
Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Steve Haas
**** SOME of the SP B-50-27 box cars had the earlier ends without the extra thin rib at the top. ****
**** I've enclosed two photos to show this - SP 100303 and 100441. Evidently the ends changed during the construction period. **** SP 100303 has the IDN-2 end that to my knowledge has never been offered in model form - thin top rib with the bottom of the top rolling pin flattened. SP 100441 has a version of the end I've never seen before - no top stiffener with a flat bottomed top rolling pin - another opportunity for a niche product! The B-50-27 had a 10-0 IH body with 6' door and 10 panel sides - For that you will need the Intermountain 1937 AAR body (which has a blank space for the car end). **** The GN 11000 series had the earlier ends. **** GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-1 end: 2525 - 2549 (3/1948) 10900 - 11199 (2/48) 11200 - 11374 (3/48) GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-2 end: 11375 - 11624 (6/48) 11625 - 11874 (6/48) 18000 - 18499 (6/49) 18500 - 19499 (9/49) 19500 - 20499 (11/52) Best regards, Steve Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Steve Haas
**** IM made one end with a "thin" top ridge. (thin+3/4 IDE) This was the standard end for their 12-panel box car. ****
If only they had properly done these with the flattened bottom on the top rolling pin . . . .
Best regards,
Steve
Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Steve Haas
Eldon,
**** How are they different from the ends EJ&E had on their 10’IH cars? Or the B&LE cars? **** The EJ&E per Hawkins) had 500 10’ IH cars with IDN-2 ends, the ends in the original picture are IDN-1 ends.
**** And why have NONE of these been done as plastic kits? **** Intermountain produces the IDN-1 ends for their 12 panel 10’ car.
The also produce a thin/3/4 with a full rolling pin for that top corrugation on the 3-panel portion of the end. I’ve yet to find uncover a 10’ prototype for that end.
Best regards,
Steve
Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Steve Haas
Randy Hammill responds:
***** Those look like Improved Dreadnaught Ends for 10’0” IH cars. They have been described as having rolling pin shaped corrugations and a stiffening rib at the top. *****
***** GN 11375-11874, 18000-20499
Well . . . . . not so fast.
Referring to Ed Hawkins work again (also included in RPC vol 8), the ends in the pictures are 4/3 ends, with _N. Hawkins defines these as IDN Type, or IDN-1, with no top stiffener.
The GN series you mentioned (along with another approximately 16,000 cars for other roads) use the IDN-1 ends.
Type IDN-2 as described by Hawkins is a 4/3/thin rib end such as you describe above, but with one important difference – the bottom of the top rolling is _FAT_. Based on Ed’s work, a 4/3/thin rib with a full top rolling pin doesn’t exist for cars of 10’ IH. If they do, Ed either wasn’t aware of them (doubtful), or considered them outside the scope of his work.
To the best of my knowledge, no model manufacturer has marketed a correct 10’ IDN-2 as defined by ED. Too bad, as almost 20,000 10’ cars were built with the IDN-2 end – seems like a great opportunity for a niche model manufacturer.
Best regards,
Steve
Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA
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