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Re: Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?

Dave Parker
 

I agree that it's a radial roof, but it doesn't seem to match the images of the Hutchins "camber" roof in the 1916 CBC.  I don't know who made that roof.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?

mel perry
 

the radial version
mel perry

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:00 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?

A photo taken in 1916:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ssave/39075615572/in/album-72157689846832316/

Is this an example of a Hutchins Dry Lading roof?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?

Bob Chaparro
 

Hutchins Dry Lading Roof?

A photo taken in 1916:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ssave/39075615572/in/album-72157689846832316/

Is this an example of a Hutchins Dry Lading roof?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Soo Line boxcar

Elliot Courtney
 

Great model! What size chain and brass strip do you need for the brake cylinder pulley assembly? My sunshine kit of the soo sawtooth did not include either. 

Thanks,
Elliot 


Re: RPM updates

G.J. Irwin
 

A "recommend" from me for the Toronto RPM.  It's relatively small but has been growing.  Several historical societies are attending this year.

This is the geographically closest one to me (international border notwithstanding).  I have been watching to ensure it's still on given the current COVID-19 situation but so far that appears to be the case.

https://torontoprototypemodellers.wordpress.com/

Cheers,
George Irwin


Re: Soo Line boxcar

Dave Lawler
 

I really like those cars. They have lots of “personality”.

Great looking model.

Dave Lawler

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Scratch building FGEX car sides.

Scott
 

The presentation PDF is on Ted blog.

Link to Kitbash PDF

It is about halfway down with photos of cars 10925 and 10857.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Randy Hammill
 

I must have mistranscribed the GN group.

I mentioned the flat bottom of the top rib in a second post.

Thanks!

Randy

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Soo Line boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

I, of course, have a soft spot in my heart for models of these cars, and this is a very nice build, and an extremely nice paint and weathering job.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Steve. You're right but I have ignored the treatment of the flat-bottom top major rib because EVERYONE in the hobby biz has ignored it (in HO scale) with one Accurail exception (I think; from memory). There are dozens and dozens of examples where that feature is missing from our models. :-(

-----Original Message-----

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Sent: 2020-03-13 5:05:05 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.



**** SOME of the SP B-50-27 box cars had the earlier ends without the extra thin rib at the top. ****

**** I've enclosed two photos to show this - SP 100303 and 100441. Evidently the ends changed during the construction period. ****

SP 100303 has the IDN-2 end that to my knowledge has never been offered in model form - thin top rib with the bottom of the top rolling pin flattened.

SP 100441 has a version of the end I've never seen before - no top stiffener with a flat bottomed top rolling pin - another opportunity for a niche product!

The B-50-27 had a 10-0 IH body with 6' door and 10 panel sides - For that you will need the Intermountain 1937 AAR body (which has a blank space for the car end).

**** The GN 11000 series had the earlier ends. ****

GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-1 end:

2525 - 2549 (3/1948)
10900 - 11199 (2/48)
11200 - 11374 (3/48)

GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-2 end:

11375 - 11624 (6/48)
11625 - 11874 (6/48)
18000 - 18499 (6/49)
18500 - 19499 (9/49)
19500 - 20499 (11/52)

Best regards,

Steve

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA




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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Soo Line boxcar

Lester Breuer
 

Fine build.  Look forward to seeing it tonight in the display room at the Modelers Retreat.
Lester Breuer


Re: The Valley Forge RPM in Malvern, Pa has been canceled

Dave Owens
 

I agree Marty.
It was the right thing to do.
I feel bad, though. I was looking forward to the meet.

Dave Owens

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:40 AM MARTIN McGuirk <mjmcguirk@comcast.net> wrote:

Dave,

Thanks,

No surprise considering the situation.

Marty McGuirk
Gainesville, VA
On March 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Dave Owens <daowens@gmail.com> wrote:


Folks:
Paul Backenstose, one of the leaders of the Valley Forge RPM in
Malvern, Pa., has asked me to help spread the work about the meet's
cancellation.
Suburban Philadelphia has been heavily impacted by the coronavirus,
and that prompted the decision to cancel.
The organizers are planning to resume in 2022. As you may recall, the
meet is every other year and alternates with the Greensburg, Pa. meet.
Both meets are great and I was really looking forward to Valley Forge.

Dave Owens
www.neprm.org



Re: The Valley Forge RPM in Malvern, Pa has been canceled

Marty McGuirk
 

Dave,

Thanks,

No surprise considering the situation.

Marty McGuirk
Gainesville, VA

On March 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Dave Owens <daowens@gmail.com> wrote:


Folks:
Paul Backenstose, one of the leaders of the Valley Forge RPM in
Malvern, Pa., has asked me to help spread the work about the meet's
cancellation.
Suburban Philadelphia has been heavily impacted by the coronavirus,
and that prompted the decision to cancel.
The organizers are planning to resume in 2022. As you may recall, the
meet is every other year and alternates with the Greensburg, Pa. meet.
Both meets are great and I was really looking forward to Valley Forge.

Dave Owens
www.neprm.org



Re: Soo Line boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

A fine looking build and paint job . I built one of Dennis Storzeks kits.

paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 





On 13 Mar 2020, at 11:15, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:

Nicely done Rich.
Thanks for sharing
George Toman


Re: Soo Line boxcar

gtws00
 

Nicely done Rich.
Thanks for sharing
George Toman


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Steve!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Haas
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 4:35 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

 

Eldon,

 

**** How are they different from the ends EJ&E had on their 10’IH cars?  Or the B&LE cars? ****

The EJ&E per Hawkins) had 500 10’ IH cars with IDN-2 ends, the ends in the original picture are IDN-1 ends.

 

**** And why have NONE of these been done as plastic kits? ****

Intermountain produces the IDN-1 ends for their 12 panel 10’ car. 

 

The also produce a thin/3/4 with a full rolling pin for that top corrugation on the 3-panel portion of the end.  I’ve yet to find uncover a 10’ prototype for that end.  

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

**** SOME of the SP B-50-27 box cars had the earlier ends without the extra thin rib at the top. ****

**** I've enclosed two photos to show this - SP 100303 and 100441. Evidently the ends changed during the construction period. ****

SP 100303 has the IDN-2 end that to my knowledge has never been offered in model form - thin top rib with the bottom of the top rolling pin flattened.

SP 100441 has a version of the end I've never seen before - no top stiffener with a flat bottomed top rolling pin - another opportunity for a niche product!

The B-50-27 had a 10-0 IH body with 6' door and 10 panel sides - For that you will need the Intermountain 1937 AAR body (which has a blank space for the car end).

**** The GN 11000 series had the earlier ends. ****

GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-1 end:

2525 - 2549 (3/1948)
10900 - 11199 (2/48)
11200 - 11374 (3/48)

GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-2 end:

11375 - 11624 (6/48)
11625 - 11874 (6/48)
18000 - 18499 (6/49)
18500 - 19499 (9/49)
19500 - 20499 (11/52)

Best regards,

Steve

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

**** IM made one end with a "thin" top ridge. (thin+3/4 IDE) This was the standard end for their 12-panel box car. ****

 

If only they had properly done these with the flattened bottom on the top rolling pin . . . . 

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

Eldon,

 

**** How are they different from the ends EJ&E had on their 10’IH cars?  Or the B&LE cars? ****

The EJ&E per Hawkins) had 500 10’ IH cars with IDN-2 ends, the ends in the original picture are IDN-1 ends.

 

**** And why have NONE of these been done as plastic kits? ****

Intermountain produces the IDN-1 ends for their 12 panel 10’ car. 

 

The also produce a thin/3/4 with a full rolling pin for that top corrugation on the 3-panel portion of the end.  I’ve yet to find uncover a 10’ prototype for that end.  

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

Randy Hammill responds:

 

***** Those look like Improved Dreadnaught Ends for 10’0” IH cars. They have been described as having rolling pin shaped corrugations and a stiffening rib at the top. *****

 

***** GN 11375-11874, 18000-20499
SP&S 13000-13499 *****

 

Well . . . . . not so fast. 

 

Referring to Ed Hawkins work again (also included in RPC vol 8),  the ends in the pictures are 4/3 ends, with _N.  Hawkins defines these as IDN Type, or IDN-1, with no top stiffener.

 

The GN series you mentioned (along with another approximately 16,000 cars for other roads) use the IDN-1 ends.

 

Type IDN-2 as described by Hawkins is a 4/3/thin rib end such as you describe above, but with one important difference – the bottom of the top rolling is _FAT_.  Based on Ed’s work, a 4/3/thin rib with a full top rolling pin doesn’t exist for cars of 10’ IH.  If they do, Ed either wasn’t aware of them (doubtful), or considered them outside the scope of his work.

 

To the best of my knowledge, no model manufacturer has marketed a correct 10’ IDN-2 as defined by ED.  Too bad, as almost 20,000 10’ cars were built with the IDN-2 end – seems like a great opportunity for a niche model manufacturer.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 

 

 

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