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Re: The Valley Forge RPM in Malvern, Pa has been canceled

Marty McGuirk
 

Dave,

Thanks,

No surprise considering the situation.

Marty McGuirk
Gainesville, VA

On March 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Dave Owens <daowens@gmail.com> wrote:


Folks:
Paul Backenstose, one of the leaders of the Valley Forge RPM in
Malvern, Pa., has asked me to help spread the work about the meet's
cancellation.
Suburban Philadelphia has been heavily impacted by the coronavirus,
and that prompted the decision to cancel.
The organizers are planning to resume in 2022. As you may recall, the
meet is every other year and alternates with the Greensburg, Pa. meet.
Both meets are great and I was really looking forward to Valley Forge.

Dave Owens
www.neprm.org



Re: Soo Line boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

A fine looking build and paint job . I built one of Dennis Storzeks kits.

paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 





On 13 Mar 2020, at 11:15, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:

Nicely done Rich.
Thanks for sharing
George Toman


Re: Soo Line boxcar

gtws00
 

Nicely done Rich.
Thanks for sharing
George Toman


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Steve!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Haas
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 4:35 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

 

Eldon,

 

**** How are they different from the ends EJ&E had on their 10’IH cars?  Or the B&LE cars? ****

The EJ&E per Hawkins) had 500 10’ IH cars with IDN-2 ends, the ends in the original picture are IDN-1 ends.

 

**** And why have NONE of these been done as plastic kits? ****

Intermountain produces the IDN-1 ends for their 12 panel 10’ car. 

 

The also produce a thin/3/4 with a full rolling pin for that top corrugation on the 3-panel portion of the end.  I’ve yet to find uncover a 10’ prototype for that end.  

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

**** SOME of the SP B-50-27 box cars had the earlier ends without the extra thin rib at the top. ****

**** I've enclosed two photos to show this - SP 100303 and 100441. Evidently the ends changed during the construction period. ****

SP 100303 has the IDN-2 end that to my knowledge has never been offered in model form - thin top rib with the bottom of the top rolling pin flattened.

SP 100441 has a version of the end I've never seen before - no top stiffener with a flat bottomed top rolling pin - another opportunity for a niche product!

The B-50-27 had a 10-0 IH body with 6' door and 10 panel sides - For that you will need the Intermountain 1937 AAR body (which has a blank space for the car end).

**** The GN 11000 series had the earlier ends. ****

GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-1 end:

2525 - 2549 (3/1948)
10900 - 11199 (2/48)
11200 - 11374 (3/48)

GN 10' IH 12 panel cars with the IDN-2 end:

11375 - 11624 (6/48)
11625 - 11874 (6/48)
18000 - 18499 (6/49)
18500 - 19499 (9/49)
19500 - 20499 (11/52)

Best regards,

Steve

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

**** IM made one end with a "thin" top ridge. (thin+3/4 IDE) This was the standard end for their 12-panel box car. ****

 

If only they had properly done these with the flattened bottom on the top rolling pin . . . . 

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

Eldon,

 

**** How are they different from the ends EJ&E had on their 10’IH cars?  Or the B&LE cars? ****

The EJ&E per Hawkins) had 500 10’ IH cars with IDN-2 ends, the ends in the original picture are IDN-1 ends.

 

**** And why have NONE of these been done as plastic kits? ****

Intermountain produces the IDN-1 ends for their 12 panel 10’ car. 

 

The also produce a thin/3/4 with a full rolling pin for that top corrugation on the 3-panel portion of the end.  I’ve yet to find uncover a 10’ prototype for that end.  

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

Randy Hammill responds:

 

***** Those look like Improved Dreadnaught Ends for 10’0” IH cars. They have been described as having rolling pin shaped corrugations and a stiffening rib at the top. *****

 

***** GN 11375-11874, 18000-20499
SP&S 13000-13499 *****

 

Well . . . . . not so fast. 

 

Referring to Ed Hawkins work again (also included in RPC vol 8),  the ends in the pictures are 4/3 ends, with _N.  Hawkins defines these as IDN Type, or IDN-1, with no top stiffener.

 

The GN series you mentioned (along with another approximately 16,000 cars for other roads) use the IDN-1 ends.

 

Type IDN-2 as described by Hawkins is a 4/3/thin rib end such as you describe above, but with one important difference – the bottom of the top rolling is _FAT_.  Based on Ed’s work, a 4/3/thin rib with a full top rolling pin doesn’t exist for cars of 10’ IH.  If they do, Ed either wasn’t aware of them (doubtful), or considered them outside the scope of his work.

 

To the best of my knowledge, no model manufacturer has marketed a correct 10’ IDN-2 as defined by ED.  Too bad, as almost 20,000 10’ cars were built with the IDN-2 end – seems like a great opportunity for a niche model manufacturer.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 

 

 


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Steve Haas
 

3/4 or 0/3/4 (if you define ends from the top down), or 4/3 or 4/3/0 (Bottom up) 10’ ends – probably Intermountain.  Ed Hawkins defines this as IDN Type 1 or IDN-1.  A little bit of Excel work on Ed’s data for Postwar Aar 10’ IH (1945-1958) cars shows 16320 out of 40172 cars were built with this end.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

 

Friends,

Can anyone assist in identifying a steam era boxcar project for these ends? Photos attached. Thank you. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


The Valley Forge RPM in Malvern, Pa has been canceled

Dave Owens
 

Folks:
Paul Backenstose, one of the leaders of the Valley Forge RPM in
Malvern, Pa., has asked me to help spread the work about the meet's
cancellation.
Suburban Philadelphia has been heavily impacted by the coronavirus,
and that prompted the decision to cancel.
The organizers are planning to resume in 2022. As you may recall, the
meet is every other year and alternates with the Greensburg, Pa. meet.
Both meets are great and I was really looking forward to Valley Forge.

Dave Owens
www.neprm.org


Re: Soo Line boxcar

gary laakso
 

A very distinctive boxcar and a very finer build, paint and weathering job.  The joys of working under a deadline!

Gary Laakso


On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

I completed Soo Line 133542 last night, just in time for this weekend's Twin Cities Railroad Modeler's Retreat.  It is a Speedwitch K108 Soo Line Sawtooth Single Sheathed Box Car kit, painted with Tru-Color TCP-200 SOO Freight Car Red and weathered with Pan Pastels.  I hope to have one more car completed tomorrow morning.

Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN
<Soo Line 133542-1.jpg>
<Soo Line 13542-2.jpg>


Soo Line boxcar

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

I completed Soo Line 133542 last night, just in time for this weekend's Twin Cities Railroad Modeler's Retreat.  It is a Speedwitch K108 Soo Line Sawtooth Single Sheathed Box Car kit, painted with Tru-Color TCP-200 SOO Freight Car Red and weathered with Pan Pastels.  I hope to have one more car completed tomorrow morning.

Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN


Re: Scratch building FGEX car sides.

Jim Hayes
 

Scott, sounds interesting. Can you share a copy of the handout or point me to where it can be found?

JimH

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:28 PM Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

I have always used .040” styrene for scratchbuilding freight cars. You can get Evergreen directly from their website:

 

https://evergreenscalemodels.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Scratch building FGEX car sides.

 

Some time ago Ted did a kitbash clinic and one of the cars was an FGEX reefer with unique steel sides and fishbelly floor.  I was going to take a swing at it as I am a reefer-aholic.  What is the common thickness styrene to use for the sides?  Unfortunately, my local Hobbytown closed so I either have to ebay it or do a pretty good drive to get some.  I would like to make one as a pattern then resin cast the two sides from there.  I have the Tichy ends, Intermountain car to harvest a roof and will order the Accurail 40ft fishbelly floor.  I got some FGEX decals from Ted at Chicago or Collinsville I am not sure which.  I did manage to get the last gallon container of real MEK my Lowes had.  I got some scribers from tamiya and UMM-USA and archer rivets since there are so many.  Should be pretty fun project.  I only have the two photos that are in Ted's presentation but the are nice side shots.

Thanks,
Scott McDonakd


Re: C&O 8000-9499 boxcar end diagram

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:41 AM, Benjamin Scanlon wrote:
I am looking at the indented - or is it inverse - end on these cars, and wondering if there is any kind of a diagram or drawing showing the pattern of pressings, without tackbboards, brake and ladder details?  
Ben,

Are these the cars with the Murphy corrugated ends?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Scratch building FGEX car sides.

Jack Burgess
 

I have always used .040” styrene for scratchbuilding freight cars. You can get Evergreen directly from their website:

 

https://evergreenscalemodels.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Scratch building FGEX car sides.

 

Some time ago Ted did a kitbash clinic and one of the cars was an FGEX reefer with unique steel sides and fishbelly floor.  I was going to take a swing at it as I am a reefer-aholic.  What is the common thickness styrene to use for the sides?  Unfortunately, my local Hobbytown closed so I either have to ebay it or do a pretty good drive to get some.  I would like to make one as a pattern then resin cast the two sides from there.  I have the Tichy ends, Intermountain car to harvest a roof and will order the Accurail 40ft fishbelly floor.  I got some FGEX decals from Ted at Chicago or Collinsville I am not sure which.  I did manage to get the last gallon container of real MEK my Lowes had.  I got some scribers from tamiya and UMM-USA and archer rivets since there are so many.  Should be pretty fun project.  I only have the two photos that are in Ted's presentation but the are nice side shots.

Thanks,
Scott McDonakd


Scratch building FGEX car sides.

Scott
 

Some time ago Ted did a kitbash clinic and one of the cars was an FGEX reefer with unique steel sides and fishbelly floor.  I was going to take a swing at it as I am a reefer-aholic.  What is the common thickness styrene to use for the sides?  Unfortunately, my local Hobbytown closed so I either have to ebay it or do a pretty good drive to get some.  I would like to make one as a pattern then resin cast the two sides from there.  I have the Tichy ends, Intermountain car to harvest a roof and will order the Accurail 40ft fishbelly floor.  I got some FGEX decals from Ted at Chicago or Collinsville I am not sure which.  I did manage to get the last gallon container of real MEK my Lowes had.  I got some scribers from tamiya and UMM-USA and archer rivets since there are so many.  Should be pretty fun project.  I only have the two photos that are in Ted's presentation but the are nice side shots.

Thanks,
Scott McDonakd


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR G22 Gondola With Containers

Nelson Moyer
 

I recently ordered eight containers from English to model the G22 load. Containers are nice, but expensive.

Nelson

On Mar 12, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Bob;

 

It is a nice photo originally taken by PRR, in that it shows a “non-upgraded” G22 (not G22B), capable of transporting only 8 HB1, not the twelve carried in the G22B.  The trucks are 70-ton trucks, not 100-ton.  The Hopper Bottom (HB) containers are the first of their kind on the PRR, which went on to design or purchase many more for this service, chiefly cement at first.  This broadened in later years to include powdered lime, powdered dolomite, and other commodities which were needed unloaded in numerous locations within a facility, like a building site or steel mill.  You can clearly see the container blocking in this shot.

 

Thanks for sharing with the Group!

 

Elden

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR G22 Gondola With Containers

 

Photo: PRR Gondola With Containers

Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_19375

Caption: "G22 gondola car #352091, loaded with HB1 containers"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR G22 Gondola With Containers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

It is a nice photo originally taken by PRR, in that it shows a “non-upgraded” G22 (not G22B), capable of transporting only 8 HB1, not the twelve carried in the G22B.  The trucks are 70-ton trucks, not 100-ton.  The Hopper Bottom (HB) containers are the first of their kind on the PRR, which went on to design or purchase many more for this service, chiefly cement at first.  This broadened in later years to include powdered lime, powdered dolomite, and other commodities which were needed unloaded in numerous locations within a facility, like a building site or steel mill.  You can clearly see the container blocking in this shot.

 

Thanks for sharing with the Group!

 

Elden

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR G22 Gondola With Containers

 

Photo: PRR Gondola With Containers

Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_19375

Caption: "G22 gondola car #352091, loaded with HB1 containers"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR G22 Gondola With Containers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondola With Containers

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_19375

Caption: "G22 gondola car #352091, loaded with HB1 containers"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

Thomas Klosterman
 

In the 50's, there was dedicated covered hopper service for soda ash from the Pittsburg Plate Glass factory in Barberton, Ohio. The factory was started as Columbia Chemical and was the site of the first commercial use of the Solvay Process to make this product. The cars were stenciled "Return to Barberton, Ohio when empty." Do not recall if the apostrophe was in this stencil or not.

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