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C&O 8000-9499 boxcar end diagram
Benjamin Scanlon
Hi
I am looking at the indented - or is it inverse - end on these cars, and wondering if there is any kind of a diagram or drawing showing the pattern of pressings, without tackbboards, brake and ladder details? It might help me in making a master for TT scale. -- Ben Scanlon Tottenham, England
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
SOME of the SP B-50-27 box cars had the earlier ends without the extra thin rib at the top.
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I've enclosed two photos to show this - SP 100303 and 100441. Evidently the ends changed during the construction period. The B-50-27 had a 10-0 IH body with 6' door and 10 panel sides - For that you will need the Intermountain 1937 AAR body (which has a blank space for the car end). The WM 29000 cars had 7 foot doors. No plastic body. The B&O M-56 had 8 foot doors. No plastic body. The DL&W cars had the earlier ends. The GN 11000 series had the earlier ends. =================================
On 3/10/2020 11:15 PM, Randy Hammill wrote:
Those look like Improved Dreadnaught Ends for 10’0” IH cars. They have been described as having rolling pin shaped corrugations and a stiffening rib at the top. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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B&O M-56 (was Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends)
Is there a plastic 10-0 IH AAR box car body out there with 10 panel sides and 8 foot doors?
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That would be the body to use for the M-56. ==============================================
On 3/11/2020 12:04 AM, Randy Hammill wrote:
The B&O M-56 cars were built in May ‘52 with 10-panel sides, 8’ 3/5/5 Youngstown doors (counting corrugations). They had diagonal panel roofs and Duryea underframes, Champion-Peacock handbrakes and US Gypsum running boards. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Andy Carlson
Hello- I am aware of three Improved Dreadnaught Ends made by Intermountain for their 10'0" IH box cars. All three have pins on the backsides to place into IM's 10'0" box cars, including their '37 AAR car IM tooled up their only one of the three ends with poling pockets for their NYC "Pacemaker" cars. This was a "thinless" end (3/4 IDE) Some SP cars used these ends. IM did another "thinless" end, without poling pockets IM made one end with a "thin" top ridge. (thin+3/4 IDE) This was the standard end for their 12-panel box car. The pictures are in descending order -Andy Carlson Ojai CA I believe those are the Intermountain ends that were designed for the '12-panel' 40' boxcar. The spotting feature are those holes across the middle rib, which were intended for use with the (after our era) crossover handrail. Intermountain has produced a bajillion RTR versions of this car. Then they discovered that the same ends were appropriate for the 10-panel 10'0" car that they conveniently already had all the other parts for. One group of these cars not mentioned below is C&O 17000-17999, which I remember because I'd bought a set of these ends and was almost ready to kitbash one when the RTR version was announced. Ron Merrick
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service
mopacfirst
Am I missing something? I saw this post when it first appeared, and meant to print the photo but didn't. Today the paper clip icon is still there, but the photo seems to be AWOL.
Ron Merrick
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
mopacfirst
I believe those are the Intermountain ends that were designed for the '12-panel' 40' boxcar. The spotting feature are those holes across the middle rib, which were intended for use with the (after our era) crossover handrail. Intermountain has produced a bajillion RTR versions of this car. Then they discovered that the same ends were appropriate for the 10-panel 10'0" car that they conveniently already had all the other parts for. One group of these cars not mentioned below is C&O 17000-17999, which I remember because I'd bought a set of these ends and was almost ready to kitbash one when the RTR version was announced.
Ron Merrick
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Re: RPM updates
Eric Hansmann
The St Louis meet is a great RPM gathering, but there are a several on the calendar before the St Louis event. The Railroad Modelers Retreat in Minnesota has been growing. The Toronto RPM, RPM Valley Forge, Savannah RPM, Western Prototype Modelers Meet, Central Ohio RPM, Bridgetown (OR) RPM, New England/Northeast RPM, and the Maritime Prototype Modellers meet are all scheduled in the months before St Louis. Many of these may be closer to home for list members.
Check the calendar and the dates and make plans to attend. http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/rpm-event-calendar/
I attended my first RPM event in 2001 and it changed my perspective on modeling. I’ve been a regular attendee ever since.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:48 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates
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Re: Alcohol
The 99% alcohol I mentioned is isopropyl alcohol. At that concentration it is used to clean electronic parts and circuit boards. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: RPM updates
FYI - see Eric Hansmann's link below It looks like the "Naperville - Lisle - Chicagoland" RPM meet may not happen this year in October as it has for the past 26 years or so. The St Louis RPM appears to still be "on". I guess if it has to be cancelled to stop the spread of the virus, we'll hear about it. This is the official link http://www.icgdecals.com/stlrpm/ Personally, I love the St Louis meet. A huge diversity of models and skills on display and just a ton of people to share with. I had a blast there last summer. Tim O'Connor ========================
On 3/11/2020 9:37 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Randy;
How are they different from the ends EJ&E had on their 10’IH cars? Or the B&LE cars?
And why have NONE of these been done as plastic kits?
Thanks!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Randy Hammill
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 12:05 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
The B&O M-56 cars were built in May ‘52 with 10-panel sides, 8’ 3/5/5 Youngstown doors (counting corrugations). They had diagonal panel roofs and Duryea underframes, Champion-Peacock handbrakes and US Gypsum running boards.
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RPM updates
Eric Hansmann
An RPM update has been posted to the Resin Car Works blog. The main message concerns RPM Chicagoland. http://blog.resincarworks.com/rpm-updates-2/
Eric Hansmann RCW web guy
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Bill;
Here is the counterpart to the X29F, the X29G, with no loading eqpt.
Also, X29D 26247 in CK, from the 1952 batch. Note the rolling pin/short taper IDE’s. Ajax brake, rectangular grid R/B’s, overhanging diagonal panel roof. Note also deeper sill reinforcement when compared to X29B. These were also used widely in industries for which forklifts and/or large boxes were utilized.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:59 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service
Bill Keene asked: "What is the rough date that the X29F box cars went into service? Would these have been in service during the circle keystone era?"
c. 1958. They are post-circle keystone era; the last Class X29 rebuilds to be painted in CK were the X29D.
Ben Hom
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Randy Hammill
The B&O M-56 cars were built in May ‘52 with 10-panel sides, 8’ 3/5/5 Youngstown doors (counting corrugations). They had diagonal panel roofs and Duryea underframes, Champion-Peacock handbrakes and US Gypsum running boards.
— Randy Hammill Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Randy Hammill
A little more info - if the ends are what I think they are, the top corrugation was usually (always?) flat along the bottom.
The B&O and some of the SP cars had poling pockets. I couldn’t verify the others with the photos handy, although I think many of them did not. Most of them appear to have a more triangular shaped “tab” at the bottom corners, rather than the square appearance there. Randy -- — Randy Hammill Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Bruce Griffin
Randy, Thank you. Knowing my modeling interest they were probably purchased for a B&O project. Bruce D. Griffin
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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Randy Hammill
Those look like Improved Dreadnaught Ends for 10’0” IH cars. They have been described as having rolling pin shaped corrugations and a stiffening rib at the top.
B&O 285000-285999 D&M 3000-3099 DL&W 10000-10039, 52500-53259 GN 11375-11874, 18000-20499 M&StL 4000-5398 NMSX 5200-5201 SP 100000-109099 SP&S 13000-13499 SSW 33850-33949 T&NO 58500-62249 WM 29001-29300 All the info you’d want in RPCyc 8. Randy — Randy Hammill Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.
Bruce Griffin
Friends,
Can anyone assist in identifying a steam era boxcar project for these ends? Photos attached. Thank you. Bruce D. Griffin
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Re: Alcohol
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 01:33 PM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
What kind of alcohol?Actually, McMaster Carr Co. has several varieties, Methyl, Ethyl, and Isopropyl all at 99% concentration (not that it stays that way if you leave it open), in pints, quarts, gallons, and fives. Only problem is the cost is about four times what someone cited for the drug store, but if no other source is found... https://www.mcmaster.com/alcohol Dennis Storzek
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Re: Alcohol
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Bob,
What kind of alcohol?
I presume the electrics folks use whichever it is for cleaning contact,
etc., correct?
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Alcohol I've purchased 99% (right, 99%) from an area electronics
store. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Alcohol
I've purchased 99% (right, 99%) from an area electronics store.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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